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06-29-2013, 06:28 PM
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What sort of a trade chip would Cory Connacher be? (Now that he's been revealed to be an under-sized waterbug instead of a true Calder candidate). Gotta give sth to get sth

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What sort of a trade chip would Cory Connacher be? (Now that he's been revealed to be an under-sized waterbug instead of a true Calder candidate). Gotta give sth to get sth
The guy we just acquired who has the potential to be an effective top-6 player for us when we are lacking NHL ready bodies that have that kind of potential?

Good idea.

EDIT: I'm also trying to figure out why this post is in this thread.

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What sort of a trade chip would Cory Connacher be? (Now that he's been revealed to be an under-sized waterbug instead of a true Calder candidate). Gotta give sth to get sth
Not sure why so many people were down on Cory this season. No one on the team lit it up offensively and he showed in Tampa that given other offensive talent, he can put up points. He played most of the season on the 3rd line and looked to have some chemistry with zibby and silf. He also drew and bunch of penalities which would have been more useful had our powerplay not looked so anemic without Spezza and Karlsson

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06-29-2013, 06:58 PM
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The guy we just acquired who has the potential to be an effective top-6 player for us when we are lacking NHL ready bodies that have that kind of potential?

Good idea.

EDIT: I'm also trying to figure out why this post is in this thread.
Ahem. I suggested this, because one scenario might involve trading up to get a crack at Sean Monahan etc. MO Conacher is like a fly buzzing around inside a jar, without a clear objective or plan. Trade him now, before the rest of the NHL discovers we WUZ HAD!

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06-29-2013, 07:12 PM
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Not sure why so many people were down on Cory this season. No one on the team lit it up offensively and he showed in Tampa that given other offensive talent, he can put up points. He played most of the season on the 3rd line and looked to have some chemistry with zibby and silf. He also drew and bunch of penalities which would have been more useful had our powerplay not looked so anemic without Spezza and Karlsson
Interestingly enough.

League leaders in penalties drawn per sixty minutes during the regular season

PATRICK KALETA
ZAC RINALDO
NAZEM KADRI
CORY CONACHER
DEREK MACKENZIE
ADAM BURISH
DUSTIN BROWN
JORDIN TOOTOO
CLAUDE GIROUX
ANDREW DESJARDINS

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06-29-2013, 07:16 PM
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Wennberg, Mantha?
Mantha looks promising, at 6'4" and leading Q with 50 goals. Maybe he'll beef up and improve his skating with Sens excellent trainers.

Wennberg is a playmaker, but is he a HARD Swede or a SOFT Swede? DNK...I prefer the other 3: Reichel Erne Mantha.

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I really wouldn't care if we got rid of conacher. I also wouldn't really care if we kept conacher. So i guess i am good either way.

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06-29-2013, 07:31 PM
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Mantha looks promising, at 6'4" and leading Q with 50 goals. Maybe he'll beef up and improve his skating with Sens excellent trainers.

Wennberg is a playmaker, but is he a HARD Swede or a SOFT Swede? DNK...I prefer the other 3: Reichel Erne Mantha.
mantha's size and skating are two of his strengths.

wennberg is a 'hard' swede

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Ahem. I suggested this, because one scenario might involve trading up to get a crack at Sean Monahan etc. MO Conacher is like a fly buzzing around inside a jar, without a clear objective or plan. Trade him now, before the rest of the NHL discovers we WUZ HAD!
You guys are seriously under rating Conacher.

Never mind Tampa, Even in Ottawa he was playing as a borderline 2nd line guy. He has speed, good hands, and he can shoot. He fights, finishes checks, and can play both a top-6 role and a bottom-6 role, but mostly just acts like a pest.

Sound familiar? He's basically an undersized Nick Foligno. The only difference being he can also draw penalties instead of taking them. Oh, and he's younger and cheaper as well. He's not Brett Hull but he'll crash a goalie's crease and take a hooking penalty.

Everyone says Conacher was much better in Tampa, so let's compare the scoring rates over 82 games (I included the 6 Ottawa playoffs games to give a better sample size):

Tampa(35 games): 56 points. (high-end 2nd line scoring rate)
Ottawa(20 games): 33 points (high end 3rd line scoring rate)

I think the Ottawa rate is more indicative of where he'll be long term. If he can put up 40 points a year without PP time and can be a general pest, that's a VERY valuable player. Nick Foligno is going to get 3 million a season to do the same thing. As long as you don't expect too much of him, he's a valuable guy.

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You guys are seriously under rating Conacher.

Never mind Tampa, Even in Ottawa he was playing as a borderline 2nd line guy. He has speed, good hands, and he can shoot. He fights, finishes checks, and can play both a top-6 role and a bottom-6 role, but mostly just acts like a pest.

Sound familiar? He's basically an undersized Nick Foligno. The only difference being he can also draw penalties instead of taking them. Oh, and he's younger and cheaper as well. He's not Brett Hull but he'll crash a goalie's crease and take a hooking penalty.

Everyone says Conacher was much better in Tampa, so let's compare the scoring rates over 82 games (I included the 6 Ottawa playoffs games to give a better sample size):

Tampa(35 games): 56 points. (high-end 2nd line scoring rate)
Ottawa(20 games): 33 points (high end 3rd line scoring rate)

I think the Ottawa rate is more indicative of where he'll be long term. If he can put up 40 points a year without PP time and can be a general pest, that's a VERY valuable player. Nick Foligno is going to get 3 million a season to do the same thing. As long as you don't expect too much of him, he's a valuable guy.
I would definitely KEEP Cory if he had 33 pts in 20 games...but the stats I see show only 8 pts in 20. He's too small to be much of a pest (maybe a gnat).

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I would definitely KEEP Cory if he had 33 pts in 20 games...but the stats I see show only 8 pts in 20. He's too small to be much of a pest (maybe a gnat).
"82 game pace".

Cory Conacher is one inch smaller than Brad Marchand.


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"82 game pace".

Cory Conacher is one inch smaller than Brad Marchand.

...and only half an inch taller than Popo Gigo on the Ed Sullivan Show.

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06-29-2013, 08:30 PM
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Cory Conacher also played in the AHL and then jumped into a condensed season at the highest level. Even in Ottawa you could see flashes of his offensive talent. He wasn't a fluke in the AHL, and his style lends itself to putting up numbers in the NHL too. Put him on Spezza's wing with a good right winger like Ryan or Silfverberg and that line will wreak havoc.

Conacher is only 23 and just came off a 50 point paced season as a rookie in one of the harder seasons to have played in. He was probably running on fumes at the end of the year and still showed a bunch of talent. I think we'll see him score more than 50 points in the future if he's put in a position to play with other talented players. Hell, he's probably our most offensively gifted left winger already.

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06-29-2013, 08:34 PM
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for whatever reason i hope we can get a guy the sens feel real good about.

although i think they'll say whoever they pick were high on their list no matter wha.

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Cory Conacher also played in the AHL and then jumped into a condensed season at the highest level. Even in Ottawa you could see flashes of his offensive talent. He wasn't a fluke in the AHL, and his style lends itself to putting up numbers in the NHL too. Put him on Spezza's wing with a good right winger like Ryan or Silfverberg and that line will wreak havoc.

Conacher is only 23 and just came off a 50 point paced season as a rookie in one of the harder seasons to have played in. He was probably running on fumes at the end of the year and still showed a bunch of talent. I think we'll see him score more than 50 points in the future if he's put in a position to play with other talented players. Hell, he's probably our most offensively gifted left winger already.
Conacher on Spezza's wing is a good idea. But Silfverberg isn't even a top 6 winger at the moment. More like Conacher - Spezza - Michalek. Michalek would add a net presence as well, much better fit.

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I'd like to see a Conacher-Spezza-Silfverberg line. IIRC, Spezza played with both Butler and Greening at the end of the 2009-10 season?

In any case, Spezza is the type of guy that can play with two scrubs and turn them into 15-20 goal scorers. It should at least be tried IMO. Both those guys have traits that can mesh well with Spezza.

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06-29-2013, 08:42 PM
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Hasn't Conacher already been drafted?

Well I'm all set. I've got 150 pages printed out into my binder with all the prospects The Black Book could fit in. Me and my highlighter will be busy tomorrow. Is it copyright infringement if I summarize what the reports say for the Senators picks.

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Conacher was the AHL MVP as a rookie, something that's only been done four times in the last 65 years.

Is that not enough to cut him some slack? Why the hell would he even need to be cut slack...he finished 2 points behind Nail Yakupov this season.

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I'd like to see a Conacher-Spezza-Silfverberg line. IIRC, Spezza played with both Butler and Greening at the end of the 2009-10 season?

In any case, Spezza is the type of guy that can play with two scrubs and turn them into 15-20 goal scorers. It should at least be tried IMO. Both those guys have traits that can mesh well with Spezza.
like:

Conacher - Spezza - Silfverberg
9MM - Turris - Alfie
Pageau - Zibanejad - Condra
Greening - Smith - Neil

If we don't make a move something like this to start the season maybe?

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like:

Conacher - Spezza - Silfverberg
9MM - Turris - Alfie
Pageau - Zibanejad - Condra
Greening - Smith - Neil

If we don't make a move something like this to start the season maybe?
I love the balance of that lineup.

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like:

Conacher - Spezza - Silfverberg
9MM - Turris - Alfie
Pageau - Zibanejad - Condra
Greening - Smith - Neil

If we don't make a move something like this to start the season maybe?
Looks good

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Is someone doing up a draft day GDT or is this where we discuss our info.

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I just saw this picture posted on the hockey *********:

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I just saw this picture posted on the hockey *********:
*looks at picture and doesn't notice anything.*

*looks away.*

*eyes trail off to see 3 SJS picks.*

*realization kicks in and heart skips a beat.*

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They're practicing what happens if a pic is traded I believe.

Back in the 2008 Draft when it was Old Baseball Stadium Scoreboard style with the picks (not computer/digital) they practiced swapping places before the draft.

Although I'm sure if you want to start a Dan Boyle to Ottawa rumour, this will be referenced a lot.

Besides, I'm pretty sure the guy who breaks the trade before all the insiders isn't going to be the intern working the draft screen.

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