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07-03-2013, 01:30 PM
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Teräväinen has been drafted by Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, so he can't play for Jokerit in KHL without a trade, right?

Might speed up his departure to Chicago...

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07-03-2013, 02:03 PM
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Teräväinen has been drafted by Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, so he can't play for Jokerit in KHL without a trade, right?

Might speed up his departure to Chicago...
They'd change the rules a bit more likely but he's going to sign next year anyway so it's a moot point.

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07-03-2013, 02:26 PM
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Teräväinen has been drafted by Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, so he can't play for Jokerit in KHL without a trade, right?

Might speed up his departure to Chicago...
Yes, but Loko will trade him, no problem.

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@preissingg, talking about pests Savinainen has signed a deal to KHL. Another Finnish pest in the making.
I actually didn´t notice that Savinainen is going to KHL. You have to love this guy. Not a bad comparision (in small scale) to Tikkanen because the guy can play on his limit when the games get important.

Tuukka Mäntylä (who is back in KHL) is also a guy who you should look. Fine 2-way defenseman and a midget. But he has mean and dirty grit on his game. In Finland he has managed to create havoc.

And Miikka Lahti almost make to WHC team this year so who knows . But to be honest I would like to see these guys in Finnish League .

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Some Finnish players Jokerit might sign:

GK: Jussi Rynnäs - He has a pre-contract with with Kärpät, but who knows what happens now or after a possible succesful season with Kärpät?

DF: Toni Lydman - He is old and with a HIFK background, but I could see him playing 1-2 seasons for big money in KHL for Jokerit in Helsinki.
DF: Mikko Mäenpää - Just signed for Lev Praha but I think he will be up for the grabs for Jokerit after the next season.
DF: Sami Lepistö: He is a product of Jokerit. Has had difficult times abroad but was really good with the national team this year. One of the most probable signings for 14-15.

FW: Antti Miettinen - A borderline NHL player, I could easily see him playing for KHL-Jokerit.
FW: Teemu Laine - A product of Jokerit hockey school, plays for Donbass Donetsk the next season. Might easily sign for Jokerit for the 14-15-season.
FW: Perttu Lindgren - A journeyman forward who'd most likely be a hit or miss signing.
FW: Oskar Osala - A proven "power-forward" at the KHL-level, shouldn't be too hard to sign.

Some foreigners:

Kurtis McLean - He already expressed his interest towards KHL-Jokerit.
Tim Stapleton - Ex-Jokerit, might be too expensive.
Glen Metropolit - Ex-Jokerit, propably too old.

Ryan Lasch - ?
Justin Azevedo - ?

Tim Thomas - Ex-Jokerit/HIFK/Kärpät.

And

Teemu Selänne - one last season for his hometown team?


Good enough player for KHL in their current squad:

GK - Eero Kilpeläinen - Ok for 2nd choice keeper.
GK - Joonas Korpisalo - 3rd choice keeper and a hot prospect.

DF - Ossi Väänänen - He has been a KHL-level-player for years. Captain for Jokerit and that wont change. +600 games in the NHL.
DF - Teemu Eronen - Good enough for KHL, would've made a move there anyway.
DF - Mikko Kousa - His first attempt in Russia failed but maybe another one back at home will be more successful? Good offensive minded defender.
DF - Petteri Lindbohm - "The next Ossi Väänänen" will be good enough for the KHL, it'll all depends whether he leaves to North America or not.
DF - Markus Nordholm - He'll get less playing time in the KHL than in the SM-liiga, but he'll be fine as 6-8th defender.

FW: Riku Hahl: 4th line center.
FW: Nichlas Hardt: 3rd or 4th line winger.
FW: Matti Lamberg: 4th line winger or benched.
FW: Steve Moses: 2nd line winger IF he can play as good as he played for the first half of the last season.
FW: Teuvo Teräväinen: 1st or 2nd line forward if he doesn't leave for NHL (which he probably will).
FW: Antti Tyrväinen: 3rd or 4th line winger.


e: lots of typos.


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07-03-2013, 05:40 PM
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^^^I've said it before but based on some messages from "insiders" at Jatkoaika, Teemu Laine isn't very fond of Jokerit and vice versa. Fans aren't exactly welcoming him back either since he acted like a dbag towards them when he last played for Jokerit.

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07-03-2013, 05:51 PM
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^^^I've said it before but based on some messages from "insiders" at Jatkoaika, Teemu Laine isn't very fond of Jokerit and vice versa. Fans aren't exactly welcoming him back either since he acted like a dbag towards them when he last played for Jokerit.
Ok, I didn't know that.

What did he do?

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Justin Azevedo is signed by Lev Praha. I'm not sure for how long ?

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Justin Azevedo is signed by Lev Praha. I'm not sure for how long ?
Only for one season as far as I know. He's a really good player for European sized rinks. If he plays well in Praha, I think he goes back to North America.

The list I made is mostly wishful thinking.

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How many non-Finnish players were SM-liiga teams allowed to carry?

In which ways would this change for Jokerit in the KHL?

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Ok, I didn't know that.

What did he do?
Generally a dick towards fans.

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Generally a dick towards fans.
Yes, that's possible. But as I recall he was mostly a fringe player in Jokerit before moving to Tappara and later to TPS.

But I didn't follow Jokerit (or any other team besides Kärpät) closely back in the day so you probably know better.

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Only for one season as far as I know. He's a really good player for European sized rinks. If he plays well in Praha, I think he goes back to North America.

The list I made is mostly wishful thinking.
right, I wish him good season in Praha then. And If you like it, I will be ok with it, when he will go back to Finland (Jokerit) He has small frame for NHL in my opinion...

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How many non-Finnish players were SM-liiga teams allowed to carry?

In which ways would this change for Jokerit in the KHL?
If I remember right it's max.5 non-EU-players in SM-liiga.

In KHL its different and it changes after the Olympics as far as I know.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Though now not as restrictive in maintaining an exclusively Russian composition of players and teams, Russian teams are still not allowed to sign more than five foreign players, while non-Russian teams must have at least five players from their respective country. Foreign goaltenders on Russian teams have a limit regarding total seasonal ice time

^ But this isn't right anymore??

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If I remember right it's max.5 non-EU-players in SM-liiga.

In KHL its different and it changes after the Olympics as far as I know.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Though now not as restrictive in maintaining an exclusively Russian composition of players and teams, Russian teams are still not allowed to sign more than five foreign players, while non-Russian teams must have at least five players from their respective country. Foreign goaltenders on Russian teams have a limit regarding total seasonal ice time

^ But this isn't right anymore??
Interesting restrictions. 5 appears to be the magic number.

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Azevedo etc - Are you guy aware of RFA rules in KHL? Azevedo, if under 29yrs, can get QO of Lev after 13/14. He still can sign offer sheet of Jokerit, but Lev can match it. If Lev does not match it, Azevedo moving to Jokerit. But, Jokerit has to pay different among offer sheets of Lev/Jokerit to Lev. Lets say, Lev wants to give him 5, Jokerit 10, so Jokerit has to pay 5 to Lev. The same model with all players under 29yrs. Yes, the club has right not to offer him QO, like Lev did with Stepanek, so he was UFA (not RFA) and signed with Severstal for free.

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Interesting restrictions. 5 appears to be the magic number.
The restrictions are history for next season. You could have a team of 20 canadians.

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Azevedo etc - Are you guy aware of RFA rules in KHL? Azevedo, if under 29yrs, can get QO of Lev after 13/14. He still can sign offer sheet of Jokerit, but Lev can match it. If Lev does not match it, Azevedo moving to Jokerit. But, Jokerit has to pay different among offer sheets of Lev/Jokerit to Lev. Lets say, Lev wants to give him 5, Jokerit 10, so Jokerit has to pay 5 to Lev. The same model with all players under 29yrs. Yes, the club has right not to offer him QO, like Lev did with Stepanek, so he was UFA (not RFA) and signed with Severstal for free.
A year ago I was totally lost in all this things like UFA,RFA and rest of the stuff. Thanks to Vorky and his web etc. I know what you're talking about, now. Only the bold part, I need to explain... Do you mean, that Lev can get part of his salary ???

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No,

Lev gives Azevedo OQ - 2y deal for 1M euro/season
Jokerit gives him offer - 2y deal for 2M euro/season
Lev does not match it, Azevedo moving to Jokerit

If this happened in NHL, Jokerit would pay nothing to Lev. Right?
If this happens in KHL, Jokerit has to pay the difference among 2M and 1M (2M-1M=1M) to Lev (call it transfer fee if you want, but it is not transfer fee in soccer/basketball rules).

There is a loophole in this KHL RFA model (Lazarev case). This difference is counted based on regular salary not bonuses. Lets imagine,

Lazarev as Kuznya RFA got QO for 1M
Avto gave him offer for 1,1M + 1M as bonus
Kunya got difference - 0,1M (not 2,1M-1M=1,1M)

We will see if KHL fixs this loophole.

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It seems that Jere Karalahti is signin 2 year deal with Jokerit, who have thought this about 10 years ago...

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It seems that Jere Karalahti is signin 2 year deal with Jokerit, who have thought this about 10 years ago...
Maybe he can still keep up with the pace in SM-liiga, but I don't see any use for him in KHL when Jokerit joins it. The guy's already 38 and lost more than a step.

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Maybe he can still keep up with the pace in SM-liiga, but I don't see any use for him in KHL when Jokerit joins it. The guy's already 38 and lost more than a step.
Agreed. I don't understand this move at all. Karalahti is probably a decent player in SM-liiga next season but is 40-year old Karalahti something they really need in the KHL? I would rather have spent my money on a top forward.

And for those non-Finnish who don't know: Jere Karalahti is an iconic figure for Jokerit's in-town rival HIFK and supposedly even has HIFK-tattoo (don't know if that's true). Although it's quite amusing to watch both HIFK and Jokerit fans whine and moan about the move, I don't understand why would Jokerit want to poke the bee hive like this. Who's making these decisions now anyway? Is it Hjallis?

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Agreed. I don't understand this move at all. Karalahti is probably a decent player in SM-liiga next season but is 40-year old Karalahti something they really need in the KHL? I would rather have spent my money on a top forward.

And for those non-Finnish who don't know: Jere Karalahti is an iconic figure for Jokerit's in-town rival HIFK and supposedly even has HIFK-tattoo (don't know if that's true). Although it's quite amusing to watch both HIFK and Jokerit fans whine and moan about the move, I don't understand why would Jokerit want to poke the bee hive like this. Who's making these decisions now anyway? Is it Hjallis?
Who else? Since Kekäläinen left, it's been like a ship with out a captain. Junior teams are still lead unprofessionally (picking "friends" over actually good coaches), team building is in limbo, no replacement for Kekäläinen found and the best option for that seems to declined.

The fans (Eteläpääty Ry) started an address on their site "No Karalahti in Jokerit" and seems just about everyone is signing it.

Edit: Harkimo just doesn't get it: http://www.hs.fi/urheilu/Harkimo+puo...a1373852065394


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No,

Lev gives Azevedo OQ - 2y deal for 1M euro/season
Jokerit gives him offer - 2y deal for 2M euro/season
Lev does not match it, Azevedo moving to Jokerit

If this happened in NHL, Jokerit would pay nothing to Lev. Right?
If this happens in KHL, Jokerit has to pay the difference among 2M and 1M (2M-1M=1M) to Lev (call it transfer fee if you want, but it is not transfer fee in soccer/basketball rules).

There is a loophole in this KHL RFA model (Lazarev case). This difference is counted based on regular salary not bonuses. Lets imagine,

Lazarev as Kuznya RFA got QO for 1M
Avto gave him offer for 1,1M + 1M as bonus
Kunya got difference - 0,1M (not 2,1M-1M=1,1M)

We will see if KHL fixs this loophole.
As a North American that tries to keep track of some European leagues (growing interest in the KHL, as it seems set on European domination and global recognition), thank you for the explanation.

To further clarify (for the NHL only), in such a situation, the "prior club" (Lev) would receive draft picks based on the total annual compensation of the deal from the "signing club" (Jokerit) in that case. But no, as you note, no money would be exchanged.

Interesting that the KHL has adopted "restricted free agency". To build solidarity in the league, I guess?

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