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[VAN/NJD] Canucks trade G Cory Schneider to Devils for 9th Overall Pick

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06-30-2013, 06:04 PM
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Nope.

That may have been his plan three years ago but when Schneider outplayed Luongo that planned changed. He couldn't get anything for Luo so he had to trade Cory.
How is it "nope"? Three years ago when they signed Luongo to that 12 year deal their plan obviously was to go with Luongo and trade Cory for the best possible offer, which is exactly what he said in that quote. Obviously things changed when Schneider busted out, but that still doesn't change the fact that when they signed Luongo their plan all along was to eventually move Schneider.

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Wouldn't that be something if this was their master plan all along? I know that is 'tinfoil hat' territory but it makes for an interesting thought.
They kept the trade pressure on Luongo for an entire year, taking it off of Schneider's shoulders. Schneider gets to play for a year as starter without being hounded about possibly being traded.

If this was MG's plan all along, he sure stuck to the script when dealing with the media. Apparently they didn't let Luongo know, maybe because he would have told Schneider and it would have leaked?

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How is it "nope"? Three years ago when they signed Luongo to that 12 year deal their plan obviously was to go with Luongo and trade Cory for the best possible offer, which is exactly what he said in that quote.
It's nope because his plan changed. He was trying to unload Luongo for the past year. He couldn't and had to get rid of Cory.


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I think getting Monahan + Klefbom? would have been well worth it..

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Holy justification, Batman! Gillis on Schneider: "Our plan 3 yrs ago was develop Cory and move him for a high pick and that's what we did."

Do we believe him
Without getting into the semantics of what "develop" means and what "high pick" means etc

Its complete ********.

How many times have you seen a team unseat their supposed go to man and give it to someone else in the process risking pissing off the go to man just to develop him for a pick that may or may not ever play a game.

You dont spend years developing players just to get picks. Thats completely absurd.

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Honesty it took some time to settle down and analyze this, yes I would like to get more for Schneider but the fact remains Vancouver still has above average goaltending and have filled the cupboard with two top, top prospects.

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Gillis backed himself into a corner. He misread the market for Luongo last year and every GM knew he had to move one of his goalies. The mistake wasn't the trade of Schneider today. The mistake was made over a year ago when he left himself no options. Had anyone proposed a Horvat for Schneider trade a week ago they would have got roasted. But in the end that was the only option as no one would take Luongo and Aquilini wasn't going to eat the contract of a goalie who can still be a starter. Not well handled at all.

The Shinkaruk draft pick makes this easier to swallow but really it's unrelated. We could have had him and also hung onto Schneider or got some kind of return for Luongo earlier on if this had been handled better.

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Holy justification, Batman! Gillis on Schneider: "Our plan 3 yrs ago was develop Cory and move him for a high pick and that's what we did."

Do we believe him
Technically it's not a lie but it's also not the whole truth. Yes, the plan was to groom Schneider and flip him but plans changed last year.

Although with the way Schneider **** the bed in the playoffs this year, I'm sure he was more open to moving Schneider than he had been in the previous year.

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Right. Because spending a year+ convincing the entire planet you *have* to get rid of a goalie is a logical way to increase your trading leverage.

 
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The people pointing out that Schneider may have been looking at a $7M contract in a couple years...sure, if he played like the elite netminder he can be, he probably would have been.

But then...to suggest that as a reason to move a guy, is asinine. You don't gripe about paying elite netminders market value.

And more to the point...What is Luongo going to be a few years from now? Because it's almost certainly not an elite netminder. It's going to be a $5.3M backup goaltender who we can't move. We can't move him now...we're going to be stuck with this deal as he declines (which has already started) for a very VERY long time.

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They kept the trade pressure on Luongo for an entire year, taking it off of Schneider's shoulders. Schneider gets to play for a year as starter without being hounded about possibly being traded.

If this was MG's plan all along, he sure stuck to the script when dealing with the media. Apparently they didn't let Luongo know, maybe because he would have told Schneider and it would have leaked?
Lol

You are totally out to lunch.

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Un-****ing-believable.

What a deceitful sack of **** Gillis is.
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Hahaha.

Wow. I've been a big Gillis fan, but wow.
Uh huh.

Seems to be a whooole lot of anger for an EXTREMELY innocuous quote from a random TheHockeyNews (LOL) 'journalist' that Gillis has made, and without ANY context.

**** twitter.

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Cap will be bursting through $70m in a year or so. I think Edmonton are fine capwise with $6m deal when everyone is throwing $8.5m+ at Perry/Getzlafs. They just need to get through this year, which is a building year for them anyway.
Making the Lou deal look even better.

Mike smith signed fir more then Luongo on a broke team on a year when the cap is going down.

What will Schneider get when the cap goes up? Too much

So glad Lou us back!!!!!

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Why would NJ flip picks? They wanted Schneider.
If it is made clear that they are not getting Schneider, but can draft at 7th overall, jumping two spots by giving up their pick + another late pick...why not ? For example, if Schneider was moved to Edmonton, he's no longer acquirable for NJ. But you can propose a deal like 7th overall for 9th overall + 4th rounder. NJ wins because they get to draft higher and don't give up too much in return, you still get your guy at 9th overall plus another pick.

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hahaha yeah Gillis i'm sure this was the plan all along. Snake Oil Salesman of the year. At least we know he'll be able to sell lots of used cars once he's fired.

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They kept the trade pressure on Luongo for an entire year, taking it off of Schneider's shoulders. Schneider gets to play for a year as starter without being hounded about possibly being traded.

If this was MG's plan all along, he sure stuck to the script when dealing with the media. Apparently they didn't let Luongo know, maybe because he would have told Schneider and it would have leaked?
It makes for a great thought. It sure kept those 'insiders' from getting involved via twitter etc and causing a drama storm or lowering Schneider's value just by spewing garbage about his play or contract like they did with Luo... of course it is highly unlikely but still interesting to think.

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Honesty it took some time to settle down and analyze this, yes I would like to get more for Schneider but the fact remains Vancouver still has above average goaltending and have filled the cupboard with two top, top prospects.
We may or may not have that tending. Hence the reason the owner flew all the way to Florida.

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Right. Because spending a year+ convincing the entire planet you *have* to get rid of a goalie is a logical way to increase your trading leverage.
That was the idiotic part. There was no reason to make Schneider the starter at that point. You had to explore both options the whole time and not tell anyone how you were leaning. Schneider should have never been given the starting job.

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So many posters eating crow over this for getting angry disgusted by others even discussing the possibility of trading Schneider instead Luongo.

I was one of them months ago... but as things dragged on it had to at least be a consideration.

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Without getting into the semantics of what "develop" means and what "high pick" means etc

Its complete ********.

How many times have you seen a team unseat their supposed go to man and give it to someone else in the process risking pissing off the go to man just to develop him for a pick that may or may not ever play a game.

You dont spend years developing players just to get picks. Thats completely absurd.
In sport where only 1 goalie can play at a time, what else would you do with goalie depth?

If this was a positional player then it would sound stupid, but 3 years ago when Lu was signed to a massive deal with a NTC I think it's pretty obvious he was the long term plan.

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How is it "nope"? Three years ago when they signed Luongo to that 12 year deal their plan obviously was to go with Luongo and trade Cory for the best possible offer, which is exactly what he said in that quote. Obviously things changed when Schneider busted out, but that still doesn't change the fact that when they signed Luongo their plan all along was to eventually move Schneider.
That's a stupid, egoistic and condescending quote. It's obvious to everyone that they traded their number one goaltender.

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If it is made clear that they are not getting Schneider, but can draft at 7th overall, jumping two spots by giving up their pick + another late pick...why not ? For example, if Schneider was moved to Edmonton, he's no longer acquirable for NJ. But you can propose a deal like 7th overall for 9th overall + 4th rounder. NJ wins because they get to draft higher and don't give up too much in return, you still get your guy at 9th overall plus another pick.
That's fantasy. Completely different types of players were taken at 7th and 9th.

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Holy justification, Batman! Gillis on Schneider: "Our plan 3 yrs ago was develop Cory and move him for a high pick and that's what we did."

Do we believe him
********. kidding asaide.

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I think getting Monahan + Klefbom? would have been well worth it..
So Calgary was trading Edmonton's prospects?

I really, highly doubt Edmonton was offering 7th overall and a top prospect. That's what Vancouver was apparently asking for in return, but Edmonton obviously wasn't willing to pay it. Most likely Edmonton was dangling 7th and 37th.

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I agree. People like botchford have made complete fools of themselves the last few days.
https://twitter.com/Shawn_Fisher/sta...77585567420417

I asked him about it.

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I've been on vacation for 3 weeks, b. Who cares? Schneider has the best Save % in hockey for 3 yrs and is 27

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