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06-30-2013, 08:32 PM
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easy Don Cherry


Nichuskin hasn't even signed an ELC yet and he's already on Ovechkin and Malkins level.

I'll stick with good north american kids rather then flight risks.

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06-30-2013, 08:40 PM
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There's 2 - congrats, I'll bet it would be easy to list many more russians that either didn't report, made unreasonable requests, held out, demanded trades, showed obvious selfish behaviour etc. etc.

I wouldn't draft a Russian either.

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06-30-2013, 08:52 PM
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"Dynamic Two-way Forward".

I won't get into the trade resulting in this pick, but we drafted the type of player we had in Hodgson, and have in Schroeder, Gaunce and even in Jensen.

I honestly can't say I'm excited about this pick. There were players I'd have loved further up the rankings, but obviously that wasn't possible to get, but between Horvat, with our team structure, and Nichushkin, I'd have gone for Nichushkin time and again.

I'm liking that we had Shinkaruk fall into our lap though, and Subban could be very good for us moving forward too.

I hope and pray that I'm wrong in my assessment, but I feel Horvat wasn't the right choice.
Hodgson wasn't a two-way player.

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Bo Horvat..hunter shinkauk...jordan subban......wow

you guys absolutely nailed it today. 2 of the guys who i really wanted the habs to get.

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Hodgson wasn't a two-way player.
Yeah, Hodgson had been used in a defensive role at times when playing against largely less skilled players, but his brain is clearly wired one way. Very gifted offensive player (much more than Horvat's mother could even dream about IMO), but he doesn't put the same care into the defensive side of the game.

Saw Horvat in live the memorial cup, and was surprised how much he stood out just for always being in the right spot and making smart reads. I think he has a very high hockey IQ, impeccable effort from what I've read, and solid physical tools. IMO he's a player with the potential to exceed his projected ceiling.

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Bo Horvat..hunter shinkauk...jordan subban......wow

you guys absolutely nailed it today. 2 of the guys who i really wanted the habs to get.
We felt the same thing about your 2012 draft.

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06-30-2013, 09:25 PM
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He got so much pressure to perform because of the schneider trade.....

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There's 2 - congrats, I'll bet it would be easy to list many more russians that either didn't report, made unreasonable requests, held out, demanded trades, showed obvious selfish behaviour etc. etc.

I wouldn't draft a Russian either.
i would. People get rediculously scared of Russians. Yes there is a risk, but vast, vast majority of the best come over and stay. Name some that haven't (Filitov was a bust).

Dallas did the right thing with the 10th pick, they have roster space than pander to him with so he will come for rookie max. He might not have been the right pick for us but he is for them.

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I can't believe we passed on Nichushkin..

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Nichushkin won't be a good pick for us.

If you want to draft high end Russian players coming from the KHL, you better have immediate openings in the roster - a good 12-15MPG and PP time. There's always the risk of them not wanting to play in the minors to develop.

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I can't believe we passed on Nichushkin..
I can't believe you can't believe that.

If he was the same player but any other nationality I'd agree with you.

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i would. People get rediculously scared of Russians. Yes there is a risk, but vast, vast majority of the best come over and stay. Name some that haven't
Shirokov is the one that made me leary of all Russians. Is it entirely rational? No. But that one hurt.

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Shirokov is the one that made me leary of all Russians. Is it entirely rational? No. But that one hurt.
It was Chubarov and Koltsov for me... more so Chubarov.

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Shirokov is the one that made me leary of all Russians. Is it entirely rational? No. But that one hurt.
I am happy we did not take Nichuskan (sp) because of the past issues. Might be irrational but it is what it is.

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Dallas did the right thing with the 10th pick, they have roster space than pander to him with so he will come for rookie max. He might not have been the right pick for us but he is for them.
Pretty much. They have their future centres in Benn and Eakins too. We don't.

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those problematic russians. its safer to pick a "good o'l canadians" kid like Hodgson.

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Nichushkin won't be a good pick for us.

If you want to draft high end Russian players coming from the KHL, you better have immediate openings in the roster - a good 12-15MPG and PP time. There's always the risk of them not wanting to play in the minors to develop.
The Canucks have how many top 6 forwards right now?

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06-30-2013, 10:33 PM
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I like the fact we drafted Horvat. I'm hoping he can become the future 1st line center/leader on our team. Him and Shinkaruk in a couple years will be awesome if they both pan out.

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Shirokov is the one that made me leary of all Russians. Is it entirely rational? No. But that one hurt.
Really?

The one who came over despite being a later pick? The one who did everything he was capable of to show he was serious about making the NHL? The one who made the team out of camp with his play? The one who, when demoted...reported to the minors in ****ing Winnipeg, Manitoba and worked his ass off trying to develop his 'all around game' defensively, physically, even fought Nazem Kadri trying to prove that he was willing to do what it takes to make the NHL. And became an AHL All Star in the process???

Only to be snubbed completely and decide (reasonably so), that he was never going to crack any roster under AV permanently, no matter what he did? And then decided to go home where he would be afforded the opportunity to actually PLAY hockey at a high level?

Yeah, that's the guy to really turn an organization off Russian players.

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06-30-2013, 10:52 PM
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Glad we got Horvat. Nichuskin would have been good too but a gamble considering he has a contract in the KHL if he doesn't make it. May never see him again.

Canucks need a guy like Horvat who plays a gritty game but can also score

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I can't believe we passed on Nichushkin..
You don't build cup winning teams with Russians, need Canadians and Swedes if you are Detroit to carry the load. Malkin has probably been the one exception that really comes to mind.

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06-30-2013, 11:01 PM
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While watching Boston in the playoffs this year, I kept thinking "I wish we had a player like Bergeron".
Well, we may have just drafter one.
Hoping he can pull off a ROR or Bergeron and make the team this year. I think he and Torts are a perfect fit.

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While watching Boston in the playoffs this year, I kept thinking "I wish we had a player like Bergeron".
Well, we may have just drafter one.
Hoping he can pull off a ROR or Bergeron and make the team this year. I think he and Torts are a perfect fit.
Yeah, it's not like we have Kesler or anything. He's hardly like Bergeron.


That said, i'd be happy to see Horvat make the team this year in the #3hole. Looks more and more like the plan is to have a 3-way competition, Horvat/Gaunce/Schroeder in camp and see what shakes loose.

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Yeah, it's not like we have Kesler or anything. He's hardly like Bergeron.
Bergeron is multiple times the player Kesler is.

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Really?

The one who came over despite being a later pick? The one who did everything he was capable of to show he was serious about making the NHL? The one who made the team out of camp with his play? The one who, when demoted...reported to the minors in ****ing Winnipeg, Manitoba and worked his ass off trying to develop his 'all around game' defensively, physically, even fought Nazem Kadri trying to prove that he was willing to do what it takes to make the NHL. And became an AHL All Star in the process???

Only to be snubbed completely and decide (reasonably so), that he was never going to crack any roster under AV permanently, no matter what he did? And then decided to go home where he would be afforded the opportunity to actually PLAY hockey at a high level?

Yeah, that's the guy to really turn an organization off Russian players.
Yeah, this is a headscratcher for me, too.... I was never too disappointed that he left, either.

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