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07-17-2013, 11:06 AM
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Rychel, in this article, says he was lied to. Says that he was certain he was coming as Salo said he would have given the kid his release and then didn't. So it's one thing to not fault Salo as he only cares about his team....but it's another thing to give people some false hopes...

One thing is sure though....Rychel's isn't helping himself as far as this year is concerned....if he thinks Salo will not change his mind or even send him in mid-season....pretty sure that article won't help.

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/07...ain-in-sweden/
The thing that worries me most about this whole situation is that now Rychel and Salo are involved in a very public and bitter dispute, in which Rychel has now called Salo's reputation into question. Things like that NEVER end well, especially when its two proud former athletes.

The comment you made earlier about Salo finding him icetime as a show of "good faith" now seems like even more of a longshot given the heated nature of how this all played out. Salo could very easily bury DLR to spite Rychel, or refuse to move him even though the situation is clearly not working out.

This siatuation could potentially turn into two grown men fighting like little girls and a kid trying to make his way to the NHL suffering as a result.

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07-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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The thing that worries me most about this whole situation is that now Rychel and Salo are involved in a very public and bitter dispute, in which Rychel has now called Salo's reputation into question. Things like that NEVER end well, especially when its two proud former athletes.

The comment you made earlier about Salo finding him icetime as a show of "good faith" now seems like even more of a longshot given the heated nature of how this all played out. Salo could very easily bury DLR to spite Rychel, or refuse to move him even though the situation is clearly not working out.

This siatuation could potentially turn into two grown men fighting like little girls and a kid trying to make his way to the NHL suffering as a result.
There are no winners in this feud. First, Salo is "just" the GM. Which makes De la Rose icetime not even his problem. If his coach doesn't give him icetime, Salo, if he cares (which I doubt he will), will just come out and say he has not a lot to do in it. Only way there'a winner is if Leksand really needs De la Rose, he plays, do great, Leksand is better that way and De la Rose do progress. Everything else is a loss for everybody....but it should be just that 1 year. So, we'll wish that whenever things happen, that it won't affect De la Rose progression.

Through Leksand's website, there's 9 players who can play that Centerman position....so we'll see how that ends up...we'd obviously prefer to see him C, as this is where we'd love to see him playing here, but then if it's on the wing to get more icetime, so be it.

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07-17-2013, 12:23 PM
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Someone should shoot a puck from the blueline at Salo's helmet and when he's deflecting it into his own net, kidnap De La Rose.

(Old Belarus humour for those wondering).

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07-17-2013, 12:39 PM
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Someone should shoot a puck from the blueline at Salo's helmet and when he's deflecting it into his own net, kidnap De La Rose.

(Old Belarus humour for those wondering).
Great times

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Someone should shoot a puck from the blueline at Salo's helmet and when he's deflecting it into his own net, kidnap De La Rose.

(Old Belarus humour for those wondering).
Somebody should just explain to Salo the importance of De La Rose playing here but somehow, he might not be smart enough to understand and it will just go over his head....

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07-17-2013, 01:26 PM
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Sounds good to me as a second round pick. The Habs have done worse in the first round.

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Reading these posts is confusing. It seems the Windsor paper has mistakenly put "Rychel" instead of "Ryman" a few times in the article.

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07-20-2013, 03:20 PM
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http://www.dt.se/sport/1.6095672-forbundet-hyllar-salo

IIHF Communications Director: "Jacob de la Rose is over-qualified for the canadian junior games"



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International nba, IIHF, follows the saga of super talent Jacob de la Rose intensely.

And according to IIHF there is no doubt which party has acted correctly.

- Leksand and Tommy Salo takes on this issue. He has the full support of International Ice Hockey Federation, it is strongly not to succumb to pressure, says Szymon Szemberg.

On July elected de la Rose by OHL Windsor Spitfires team in the CHL draft pick.

According to the club's general manager, Warren Rychel, was also in Windsor just as Jacob would play next season - if it was not for Salo.

- The whole situation is unpleasant. Leksand has a contract with the player, but under pressure, both from the academy and from the agents, said Szemberg.

Windsor, Rychel and players' agents are the major culprits, according to the IIHF.

- In the NHL, there is a tradition, you are courting is not a guy who is under contract. Junior Clubs can however be very aggressive, morality is different, says Szemberg.

According Rychel is that Jacob's own desire to play there?

- In this situation, a good agent have explained to Jacob that his career is on the right track. Instead, the agent encourages him to go down to a junior team - the level he did two years ago, says Szemberg and continues:

- It is comparable with that he has just finished high school and facing the college. To then go to a youth's like going back to the ninth grade.

Rychel seems to be of a different opinion.

- Believe the hell he says that Jacob done well there. It is a well-trained Swedish guy, over-qualified for the Canadian junior games, Szemberg says and continues:

- It's like saying that Zlatan Ibrahimovic would fit great into Brage right now. Yes, but is Brage right now is very good for Zlatan? It is an extreme comparison, but you know what I mean.







Source: Dalarnas Tidningar
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I sure hope all this fighting between the 2 clubs doesn't hurt Jacobs development.

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07-20-2013, 03:38 PM
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http://www.dt.se/sport/1.6095672-forbundet-hyllar-salo

IIHF Communications Director: "Jacob de la Rose is over-qualified for the canadian junior games"



Google translation:

International nba, IIHF, follows the saga of super talent Jacob de la Rose intensely.

And according to IIHF there is no doubt which party has acted correctly.

- Leksand and Tommy Salo takes on this issue. He has the full support of International Ice Hockey Federation, it is strongly not to succumb to pressure, says Szymon Szemberg.

On July elected de la Rose by OHL Windsor Spitfires team in the CHL draft pick.

According to the club's general manager, Warren Rychel, was also in Windsor just as Jacob would play next season - if it was not for Salo.

- The whole situation is unpleasant. Leksand has a contract with the player, but under pressure, both from the academy and from the agents, said Szemberg.

Windsor, Rychel and players' agents are the major culprits, according to the IIHF.

- In the NHL, there is a tradition, you are courting is not a guy who is under contract. Junior Clubs can however be very aggressive, morality is different, says Szemberg.

According Rychel is that Jacob's own desire to play there?

- In this situation, a good agent have explained to Jacob that his career is on the right track. Instead, the agent encourages him to go down to a junior team - the level he did two years ago, says Szemberg and continues:

- It is comparable with that he has just finished high school and facing the college. To then go to a youth's like going back to the ninth grade.

Rychel seems to be of a different opinion.

- Believe the hell he says that Jacob done well there. It is a well-trained Swedish guy, over-qualified for the Canadian junior games, Szemberg says and continues:

- It's like saying that Zlatan Ibrahimovic would fit great into Brage right now. Yes, but is Brage right now is very good for Zlatan? It is an extreme comparison, but you know what I mean.







Source: Dalarnas Tidningar
Traduction par: Google

I sure hope all this fighting between the 2 clubs doesn't hurt Jacobs development.
How about the Habs decide where he'll develop better? Both Windsor and Leksand will only have him in the short term and are biased...

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How about the Habs decide where he'll develop better? Both Windsor and Leksand will only have him in the short term and are biased...
That would be nice....but I don't believe Montreal has the power to do that.

I think this whole problem has been started by his agent...the agent first gets him to sign the contract with Leksand knowing Jacob was going into his draft year...!!!

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2 kids bickering who got the biggest dick, and DLR in the middle of all of this. Sure hope habs brass shakes 'em up and put DLR's decision forward, it's HIS career after all.

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That would be nice....but I don't believe Montreal has the power to do that.

I think this whole problem has been started by his agent...the agent first gets him to sign the contract with Leksand knowing Jacob was going into his draft year...!!!
I agree that Montreal doesn't have the power.... However, Montreal's the only one that has any credibility when arguing where he'll develop better. They'll pick up the pieces in a couple of years... It's self-serving when Leksand, Windsor, or a third-party who has a bone in the fight, bring up the development argument.

Leksand have a much stronger argument when they just stick to their signed agreement with DLR.

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Maybe de la Rose is so good everyone wants him.

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Maybe de la Rose is so good everyone wants him.
I'm starting to think he has a bigger potential than we think.

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How about the Habs decide where he'll develop better? Both Windsor and Leksand will only have him in the short term and are biased...
He projects to be a Landeskog type. He's going to learn absolutely nothing about physical play by playing in Sweden. He also has untapped offensive potential that's never going to be tapped playing on the third/fourth line in Sweden. He's essentially losing a year of development by staying.

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DLR overqualified for the CHL? Common now, there is at least 15 players of his gae that are better and will play in the CHL this season. The interview is very passive aggressive.

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I'm starting to think he has a bigger potential than we think.
The 4 players we drafted in first and second round could have easily gone in the first round.

Mccaron is a prototype powerforward. If he reach his potential we are looking at a very dangerous player in the Milan Lucic mode. Then again, he's the biggest risk among the players we drafted. He could turn out as Lucic or at worst Blunden. Probably will take a longer time to develop.

De La Rose is a typical 2 way forward who can play in all situations. This is the time of player that coaches love. They are hard to find, think guys like Ryan Callahan, Tomas Plekanec, Patrice Bergeron, Mike Richards. Out of the 4 players we drafted in the first two rounds, De La Rose is the most sure thing. He will be an NHL player.

Fucale needs some work and has yet to prove he can be a top goalie. Playing on a deep team last year he's got a chance to prove this coming up year. He's got all the tools to be a #1A goalie. He's not a sure thing but he's damn close. At best he'll be Nick Backstrom, Cam Ward, Cory Schnieder. At worst he'll be Josh Harding, Peter Budaj, Brian Elliot.

Artturi Lehkonen is by far the most offensive player we selected in this year's draft. He's what you call a pure offensive player. The knock on him is his size, 5'10" isn't going to scare anyone. He could be a top 6 player or bust. Unlike De La Rose, he cannot be a bottom 6 player.

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He projects to be a Landeskog type.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Landeskog belongs in group 1A (young Toews, Richards, etc), De La Rose doesn't have the offense Landeskog have.

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Pretty stupid to think that the Junior team he was in Sweden is the equivalent to the Junior teams in the CHL....come on....

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Pretty stupid to think that the Junior team he was in Sweden is the equivalent to the Junior teams in the CHL....come on....
Age of players vary from 17 (DLR) to 38. Leksands is going to be in SEL next season.
Swe-1 seems to be similar to AHL.
Jacob and Filip Fosberg were the youngest one.
If it was good enough for Fosberg (7th scorer), it should be ok.
OEL spent a year in Leksands after being drafted then went directly to AHL/NHL.

A year in SEL could be very good for DeLaRose.
The only thing is that he must get top-9 ice time.

He went from 176 lbs in Hockeydb/rankings to 190 at the combine.

He could very well do a great season with 15 minutes among men and then come to AHL next season.
If he goes to CHL, he would have to stay there another year.

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I'm starting to think he has a bigger potential than we think.
Me too, always hoped he would be a canadien. Im thinking this could be the steal of the 2013 draft.
PK Subban all over again! Wishful thinking? Yes
Impossible? Certainly not

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Me too, always hoped he would be a canadien. Im thinking this could be the steal of the 2013 draft.
PK Subban all over again! Wishful thinking? Yes
Impossible? Certainly not
Before he was drafted Fosberg scored 17 points and 30 points this season.
Last season DLR had 12 points.
We need to see if he can improve significantly next season.

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Before he was drafted Fosberg scored 17 points and 30 points this season.
Last season DLR had 12 points.
We need to see if he can improve significantly next season.
De La Rose will be playing in a better league, on a bad team.

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Age of players vary from 17 (DLR) to 38. Leksands is going to be in SEL next season.
Not my point. Not talking about THIS YEAR's challenge. The article mentions that no need to put De la Rose in the CHL as he's already played Junior 2 years ago. To which I write...pretty stupid to think that the level he played 2 years ago was equivalent to the CHL.

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Not my point. Not talking about THIS YEAR's challenge. The article mentions that no need to put De la Rose in the CHL as he's already played Junior 2 years ago. To which I write...pretty stupid to think that the level he played 2 years ago was equivalent to the CHL.
Yeah, but since I'm assuming we all accept that (in terms of calibre of play/player) Swe. Junior < CHL < SHL < NHL, it would still represent a "step backwards" - enough so that the guy isn't exactly wrong about what he's implying. Doesn't mean the SHL is the best developmental step for everyone and any point along the curve, though.

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