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06-30-2013, 06:27 PM
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Sekera always seemed to me to not be in the long-term plans.

Ehrhoff and Myers are the guys with heavy investment.
Pysyk, McNabb, Ruhwedel, McCabe and lesser prospects were the pipeline.

Weber and Sekera were the non-key established players.

We added Ristolainen and Zadorov as 1st rounders, further pushing Sekera out of the picture as far as long-term goes.

If he wasn't part of the long-term plans then I'm comfortable moving him for assets now and making us suck next season. Same approach with Vanek and Miller, though in Sekera's case obviously it wasn't a pressing matter with him being under contract.

Sekera was my favorite defensemen, I will miss him. I support what happened.

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06-30-2013, 06:29 PM
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If Sekera + 8th would have gotten us McBain + 5.

**** **** **** **** **** **** ****

We could be sitting here with Monahan????!!!!! And the Canes GM confirms this??!!
that deal would have made sense to me. You take the hit at D temporarily to move up to grab elite talent in Lindholm. Making this move because you want Compher? HUH? I don't get the overall direction of this draft.

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06-30-2013, 06:30 PM
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I was actually alright with trading Sekera in top-of-the-draft scenarios (and a lot of other guys), but I don't like this one. Think Sekera was more valuable than what we got.

I'm still not sure what Regier's "plan" is...I do see the "suffering" though.

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06-30-2013, 06:33 PM
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I just can't believe for this terrible year we were rewarded with a guy who projects as a solid all around top 4 guy who is good at everything and great at nothing, no standout skill. A year like that needed to be rewarded with a guy with elite talent.

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06-30-2013, 06:35 PM
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I just can't believe for this terrible year we were rewarded with a guy who projects as a solid all around top 4 guy who is good at everything and great at nothing, no standout skill. A year like that needed to be rewarded with a guy with elite talent.
There were 7 teams with years worse than ours.

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06-30-2013, 06:36 PM
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I just can't believe for this terrible year we were rewarded with a guy who projects as a solid all around top 4 guy who is good at everything and great at nothing, no standout skill. A year like that needed to be rewarded with a guy with elite talent.
That's probably my biggest disappointment with this draft. Also, when you hear Sekera could have gotten you Lindholm (who has elite talent, though maybe on the lower end compared to Mac or Drouin)...then ugh. I'm usually not a downer about these things, but suffer indeed. This draft seems like a table setter for the next two drafts, in which we'll get our elite talent (by sucking the next couple years). Now we just have to wait a year to see if we get that franchise forward. See you in 365 days!

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06-30-2013, 06:38 PM
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That's probably my biggest disappointment with this draft. Also, when you hear Sekera could have gotten you Lindholm (who has elite talent, though maybe on the lower end compared to Mac or Drouin)...then ugh. I'm usually not a downer about these things, but suffer indeed. This draft seems like a table setter for the next two drafts, in which we'll get our elite talent (by sucking the next couple years). Now we just have to wait a year to see if we get that franchise forward. See you in 365 days!
Lindholm is clearly a step below the big 4 of MacKinnon,Drouin,Barkov and Jones.I am happier with RR AND Compher then just Lindholm.

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06-30-2013, 06:40 PM
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Lindholm is clearly a step below the big 4 of MacKinnon,Drouin,Barkov and Jones.I am happier with RR AND Compher then just Lindholm.
Eh, I guess we'll see how it all plays out, but if Lindholm becomes a 1C, I'd rather have that than a 2/3C and top-four D.

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Thrilled.

I'm as big of a Sekera supporter as there is. But we are making moves to get better down the road.

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06-30-2013, 06:42 PM
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Was never huge on Sekera. More than serviceable top four guy with a reasonable contract. I don't really know much about McBain, hasn't stood out to me when Buffalo plays Carolina, but sounds like he just needed a change of scenery. I like Compher a lot and look at #35 in this draft the same way I would 20-30 in your average year, and he's obviously the key piece here.

Usually I feel pretty good about Darcy's trades, but this one I'm a little skeptical of. Definitely a wait-and-see though.

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06-30-2013, 06:42 PM
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Thrilled.

I'm as big of a Sekera supporter as there is. But we are making moves to get better down the road.
we get better by trading a top 4 guy, who could play in our top 4 down the road for a guy who does nothing great?

I hope you're right.

not expecting it though

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06-30-2013, 06:45 PM
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McBain will rot in the minors...

Was for a high 2ndround pick essentially.

Sekera was expendable based on our 1st round picks...

Compher is a gamer...

Im fine with this deal.

May regret not moving up for Lindholm ...but really cant ***** about Risto...

I see what Darcy is doing...and I like it.

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06-30-2013, 06:46 PM
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we get better by trading a top 4 guy, who could play in our top 4 down the road for a guy who does nothing great?

I hope you're right.

not expecting it though

They traded him for a pick. if the guy they picked was born a few days later he's not draft eligible. Next year he'd be an easy first rounder.

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06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
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we get better by trading a top 4 guy, who could play in our top 4 down the road for a guy who does nothing great?

I hope you're right.

not expecting it though
I don't think he was gonna be in our top 4 beyond this contract. He's worth more than he was making and with Myers and Ehrhoff around he wasn't going to get it from us unless he developed a physical side, which wasn't going to happen. We need physicality in the top 4 and Sekera was never going to provide it.

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McBain will rot in the minors...

Was for a high 2ndround pick essentially.

Sekera was expendable based on our 1st round picks...

Compher is a gamer...

Im fine with this deal.

May regret not moving up for Lindholm ...but really cant ***** about Risto...

I see what Darcy is doing...and I like it.
Except that we could have had Sekera here for two or three years while those kids develop. They didn't make him immediately expendable. It's not as if you draft a defenseman and then need to make room by moving one.

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06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
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It's gonna be wait-and-see with Compher.

In the meantime, if you're on team tank, putting a stop-gap in place for Rej while seeing what we get with Compher could be a good thing.

I bet this sort of move doesn't make Miller / Vanek more eager to stick around, though...

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McBain will rot in the minors...

Was for a high 2ndround pick essentially.

Sekera was expendable based on our 1st round picks...

Compher is a gamer...

Im fine with this deal.

May regret not moving up for Lindholm ...but really cant ***** about Risto...

I see what Darcy is doing...and I like it.
I agree! Good draft so far IMO

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I don't think he was gonna be in our top 4 beyond this contract. He's worth more than he was making and with Myers and Ehrhoff around he wasn't going to get it from us unless he developed a physical side, which wasn't going to happen. We need physicality in the top 4 and Sekera was never going to provide it.
Yeah, but a D needs a guy that can play defense.
Also if we kept him around, they could've traded him at the deadline for more than a 2nd rounder and a throw in.

Sekera would've netted at least 2 2nd rounders if not a late first at the deadline.

period

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06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
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Except that we could have had Sekera here for two or three years while those kids develop. They didn't make him immediately expendable. It's not as if you draft a defenseman and then need to make room by moving one.
Yeah... Sekera could of lost with us... not an issue.

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It's gonna be wait-and-see with Compher.

In the meantime, if you're on team tank, putting a stop-gap in place for Rej while seeing what we get with Compher could be a good thing.

I bet this sort of move doesn't make Miller / Vanek more eager to stick around, though...
I'm assuming that, internally, they already know those ships have sailed.

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06-30-2013, 06:55 PM
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I'm assuming that, internally, they already know those ships have sailed.
ya, I am not sure why people cannot see this. Buffalo is basically trying to be the worst team in hockey next year, not enticing for a big ticket UFA to stick around.

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This signals the tank is in motion. Pegula and Black did come from Pitt. Hope the bottom doesn't completely fall out.

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I'm assuming that, internally, they already know those ships have sailed.
So the "We want to keep them!!!111" is just a fan service? I mean, I agree, I hold their ships have sailed too. But why have they said otherwise?

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06-30-2013, 06:58 PM
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Yeah... Sekera could of lost with us... not an issue.
Well, it's clear Regier is pro tank...and pro tank as badly as possible. Too bad his crew couldn't have accomplished that in a shortened season and made this whole thing possible. I'm not looking forward to dwelling in the basement the next couple years.

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06-30-2013, 06:59 PM
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Well, it's way, way too early to panic (by a half dozen years) 'cause you can't tell at this point if either 1st round picks will become franchise players a la Potvin, Suter or Chara, or not. Everyone knows it takes longer to groom D and for them to have an impact on the ice.

Which means we definitely got a long term project going here.

Trading Rej sends a message so it's looking more likely than not that TV and RM are not going to (nor should they want to) be part of it.

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