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Robert Hagg made his AHL debut March 29 [AAV is $925k, 3-yr ELC, per Tim P.]

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01-14-2014, 03:06 PM
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I think Ghost is in his 3rd year and said he wants to graduate, I'm thinking we are still another year away from Ghost being in the AHL.

And Hagg will be 19 starting next year, don't you have to be 20 to play in the AHL?
I think that only applies to Canadian juniors but I'm not sure.

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I think Ghost is in his 3rd year and said he wants to graduate, I'm thinking we are still another year away from Ghost being in the AHL.

And Hagg will be 19 starting next year, don't you have to be 20 to play in the AHL?
I think that's only if you're from the CHL, could be wrong.

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I think Ghost is in his 3rd year and said he wants to graduate, I'm thinking we are still another year away from Ghost being in the AHL.

And Hagg will be 19 starting next year, don't you have to be 20 to play in the AHL?
Re: Ghost, plans have a way of changing when an NHL team comes calling with an offer. Also, there is nothing preventing him from completing his degree in the off-seasons. Many other players have done so.

Re: Hägg, the AHL age rules only apply to CHL-affiliated players. I do not think he'll play in the AHL next season, but it won't be because of an age restriction.

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Most college prospects sign after their junior seasons (at the latest). Can anyone think or find a player/prospect (legit) that played all 4 years of college (not including college FA's like Dan Boyle and Chris Kunitz)? Only one I found is Brian Boyle.

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Most college prospects sign after their junior seasons (at the latest). Can anyone think or find a player/prospect (legit) that played all 4 years of college (not including college FA's like Dan Boyle and Chris Kunitz)? Only one I found is Brian Boyle.
Ghost was drafted after his Freshman year though. Those guys were probably in college for three years post-draft.

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01-14-2014, 03:39 PM
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I think Ghost is in his 3rd year and said he wants to graduate, I'm thinking we are still another year away from Ghost being in the AHL.

And Hagg will be 19 starting next year, don't you have to be 20 to play in the AHL?
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Re: Ghost, plans have a way of changing when an NHL team comes calling with an offer. Also, there is nothing preventing him from completing his degree in the off-seasons. Many other players have done so.

Re: Hägg, the AHL age rules only apply to CHL-affiliated players. I do not think he'll play in the AHL next season, but it won't be because of an age restriction.
I remember Ghost going on record stating he was going to commit to Union for 4 years. Now that can change easily.

He also is an engineering major. He could of picked something easier but my thoughts are he wants to get his degree also. Seems like a smart guy in that regards.

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Most college prospects sign after their junior seasons (at the latest). Can anyone think or find a player/prospect (legit) that played all 4 years of college (not including college FA's like Dan Boyle and Chris Kunitz)? Only one I found is Brian Boyle.
I believe Matt Read played 4 years of college hockey.

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I believe Matt Read played 4 years of college hockey.
He was a free agent though, not drafted already.

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Re: Ghost, plans have a way of changing when an NHL team comes calling with an offer. Also, there is nothing preventing him from completing his degree in the off-seasons. Many other players have done so.
I believe the Isles let Anders Lee go back to Notre Dame to finish out his classes last year when it was clear they weren't going to use him anymore in the playoffs.

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01-14-2014, 05:11 PM
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Ghost was drafted after his Freshman year though. Those guys were probably in college for three years post-draft.
Draft year is irrelevant really. Whether he gets drafted out of high school or as a college freshman, it is irrelevant on his development. He's playing for a university, not an NHL organization. Zach Parise got drafted after his freshman year as well. He signed after his sophomore season. Hypothetically if Gostisbehere were born 5 months later, 2012 would have been his first year of being draft eligible anyway.

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Ghost was drafted after his Freshman year though. Those guys were probably in college for three years post-draft.
Justin Schultz played one year in the BCHL & then three years in college after his draft year. He was drafted in his first year of eligibility but has a some what similar path like Gostisbehere if he were to leave after this year.

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Draft year is irrelevant really. Whether he gets drafted out of high school or as a college freshman, it is irrelevant on his development. He's playing for a university, not an NHL organization. Zach Parise got drafted after his freshman year as well. He signed after his sophomore season. Hypothetically if Gostisbehere were born 5 months later, 2012 would have been his first year of being draft eligible anyway.
I know. I was just pointing out that it's not exactly the same situation. Another year in college wouldn't be terrible, even if it's not what everyone wants. The kid is still skinny as all hell and might be better served with another year against lesser players to get stronger. I still think he turns pro though.

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I know. I was just pointing out that it's not exactly the same situation. Another year in college wouldn't be terrible, even if it's not what everyone wants. The kid is still skinny as all hell and might be better served with another year against lesser players to get stronger. I still think he turns pro though.
He's been there for 3 years now. He's still undersized. Don't you think it would be better for his development to focus solely on hockey, under a professional strength and conditioning staff? I certainly do. No offense to the staff at Union, but they are general S&C coaches, not sport specific. The AHL has a favorable schedule to develop players physically. The last thing the Flyers want is to stunt his growth as a player playing against inferior talent, getting bored, and developing bad habits. He's too good for that level (I thought that last year as well).

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He also is an engineering major. He could of picked something easier but my thoughts are he wants to get his degree also. Seems like a smart guy in that regards.
He's a history major now so....

Like Bill said he can go back and take classes like athletes in any other sport if his education is that important.

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He's a history major now so....

Like Bill said he can go back and take classes like athletes in any other sport if his education is that important.
Really? Union website lists him as an engineering major still.

Edit: seems like a recent article states he did change. Nevermind then.

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Most college prospects sign after their junior seasons (at the latest). Can anyone think or find a player/prospect (legit) that played all 4 years of college (not including college FA's like Dan Boyle and Chris Kunitz)? Only one I found is Brian Boyle.
I may be wrong but I thought there was someone who was drafted by a team in the West I think that voided his eligibility by going through all 4 years and not signing at the end I think? I can't remember who though? I thought it was a Ducks prospect? Alexander Killorn of the Lightning went all 4 years, I only know that though because he is on my fantasy team.

As of this past Summer he said he intended to go all 4 years. http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...t-send-message

It is possible that in order to complete all the classes he needs he would have to take a class that is not available in the Summer. Of course that is just hypothetical and could not even be an issue, I'm just saying if he wanted his degree that could be an issue. Interestingly the quote in the above article is about his commitment to his coach, but he also could've said more about wanting to finish for the degree and it just wasn't included.

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I may be wrong but I thought there was someone who was drafted by a team in the West I think that voided his eligibility by going through all 4 years and not signing at the end I think? I can't remember who though? I thought it was a Ducks prospect?
You're thinking of Justin Schultz, he left after his junior but found a loophole in the system where he was eligible to be a free agent because he played a year in the BCHL after his draft year & followed by three years in college.

Blake Kessel didn't sign with the Isles after his four years in college & then signed with the Flyers.


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I may be wrong but I thought there was someone who was drafted by a team in the West I think that voided his eligibility by going through all 4 years and not signing at the end I think? I can't remember who though? I thought it was a Ducks prospect? Alexander Killorn of the Lightning went all 4 years, I only know that though because he is on my fantasy team.

Blake Wheeler was one. Phoenix spent the 5th overall pick on him (considered a big reach at the time), he played 4 years at the University of Minnesota, turned down Phoenix's entry level offer and became a UFA.

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You're thinking of Justin Schultz, he left after his junior but found a loophole in the system where he was eligible to be a free agent because he played a year in the BCHL after his draft year & followed by three years in college.

Blake Kessel didn't sign with the Isles after his four years in college & then signed with the Flyers.
It was more along the lines of the Isles not offering him a contract because he didnt have a future

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It was more along the lines of the Isles not offering him a contract because he didnt have a future
You're right, he also went the Schultz route one year in the USHL followed by three in college then left after his junior year so I was wrong there as well.

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You're right, he also went the Schultz route one year in the USHL followed by three in college then left after his junior year so I was wrong there as well.
Same course for Blake Wheeler as well, though I'm sure the Coyotes tried to sign him.

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So Killorn and Brian Boyle are the only guys we came up with? Killorn went to Harvard so I'm sure that degree was a little more valuable.

Gostisbehere gave a political answer when he didn't have a contract offer. What was he supposed to say? 'I can't wait to leave!'

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Ok Im confused. Is Ghost still ours if he plays his 4th year of college or is there a loophole that he's a free agent?

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Hagg will be playing in two hours... should be on here.

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Ok Im confused. Is Ghost still ours if he plays his 4th year of college or is there a loophole that he's a free agent?
Still property. He was drafted in 2012. He would have to wait until the 2016 offseason I believe.

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