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06-30-2013, 07:40 PM
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Since everyone knows that Bickell would have gotten more years and money as a UFA, you can forget the talk that it was an overpayment. He signed for a discount, like it or not.

The question is whether the Hawks thought he was worth $4M. They obviously thought so, but that question likely won't be answered for a few years.

Many may not like the money, and that is their right, whether you agree with it or not.

But you can't call a contract that's for less than FMV an "overpayment". Unless you are prepared to say that every UFA contract is an overpayment.

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06-30-2013, 07:41 PM
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cap hit is the average of contract every season
Gotcha thanks. Why did someone break it down by year earlier? So basically his cap hit 4 mil all 4 years?

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06-30-2013, 07:42 PM
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06-30-2013, 07:42 PM
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I love what Bickelll did this year, that's a lot of money for a guy with limited success. I hope he can bring it next year.

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06-30-2013, 07:44 PM
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Since everyone knows that Bickell would have gotten more years and money as a UFA, you can forget the talk that it was an overpayment. He signed for a discount, like it or not.

The question is whether the Hawks thought he was worth $4M. They obviously thought so, but that question likely won't be answered for a few years.

Many may not like the money, and that is their right, whether you agree with it or not.

But you can't call a contract that's for less than FMV an "overpayment". Unless you are prepared to say that every UFA contract is an overpayment.
Nobody knows that. We are surmising that it is an overpayment. He is not a $4m guy.

But what Stalberg gets on the open market will be very telling. If Stalberg gets less than $4m per year, it will make the Bickell deal look pretty bad since Stalberg has been the better player (in the reg season) over the past two years.

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06-30-2013, 07:46 PM
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Remember that the cap likely goes up next summer as well people

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Nobody knows that. We are surmising that it is an overpayment. He is not a $4m guy.

But what Stalberg gets on the open market will be very telling. If Stalberg gets less than $4m per year, it will make the Bickell deal look pretty bad since Stalberg has been the better player (in the reg season) over the past two years.
Stalberg has also had more chances with the top 6 and Bickell was stuck on a checking line with Bolland and Frolik.

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06-30-2013, 07:47 PM
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On a line with Toews and Kane...if he goes to the net hard and often...I give him a shot at thirty.
30 is a bit much. 20 is a reasonable expectation, maybe 25.

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Remember that the cap likely goes up next summer as well people
Which no one apparently wants to recognize at this moment in time.

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Who was the last stanley cup champion without a true #2 centre.

I'm guessing it's the 2013 Chicago Blackhawks, and before that, the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks.
Sharp is a 2C, he's just much better as a sniper at LW. Handzus may have been a 4th liner with SJS, but if you can honestly say he didn't carry his weight as a 2C on our Cup run, I would call you a liar. 23 games, 11 points in the playoffs. The man is a genius on odd man rushes. I doubt we could get another year out of him, but the 2010 and 13 Hawks both had 2C that lived up to their positions.

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Bit of an overpayment. My guess is in 2 or 3 years he will be dealt a la Bolland to free up space to resign someone else

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Nobody knows that. We are surmising that it is an overpayment. He is not a $4m guy.

But what Stalberg gets on the open market will be very telling. If Stalberg gets less than $4m per year, it will make the Bickell deal look pretty bad since Stalberg has been the better player (in the reg season) over the past two years.
Boy, you really have hard time judging hockey talent.

Stalberg was a healthy scratch most of the playoffs.

I'll change my post to say that anyone with any hockey sense knows that Bickell was going to get more than $4M.

The market says he was at least a $4M guy. The Hawks had the choice to take it or not.

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06-30-2013, 07:50 PM
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I don't like this much money for a guy who has never cracked 20 goals or 40 points.

I really hope he's the player some claim him to be and not a guy who got motivated at a seriously convenient time.

Hope I'm wrong.

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06-30-2013, 07:52 PM
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He's the type of player that does the little things which make your 6 mil guys worth 7-8 mil.

He's worth the 4 mil.

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06-30-2013, 07:54 PM
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I don't like this much money for a guy who has never cracked 20 goals or 40 points.

I really hope he's the player some claim him to be and not a guy who got motivated at a seriously convenient time.

Hope I'm wrong.
Andrew Ladd never cracked 20 goals once and only cracked 40 points once before he was traded to Atlanta, same with Buff

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06-30-2013, 07:56 PM
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Sharp is a 2C, he's just much better as a sniper at LW. Handzus may have been a 4th liner with SJS, but if you can honestly say he didn't carry his weight as a 2C on our Cup run, I would call you a liar. 23 games, 11 points in the playoffs. The man is a genius on odd man rushes. I doubt we could get another year out of him, but the 2010 and 13 Hawks both had 2C that lived up to their positions.
During both the 2010 and 2013 seasons the Hawks fans were lamenting our lack of a "true" 2nd line centre.

Sharp didn't want to play centre, and hasn't played there much since.

Handzus played well, but isn't what most people all a 2nd line centre. Read the posts when we traded for him.

Pardon me, "a liar".

You can disagree with me, but calling me a "a liar"?

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Boy, you really have hard time judging hockey talent.

Stalberg was a healthy scratch most of the playoffs.

I'll change my post to say that anyone with any hockey sense knows that Bickell was going to get more than $4M.

The market says he was at least a $4M guy. The Hawks had the choice to take it or not.
1)stalberg was scratched for 4 out of 23 games
2) q's been all over stalberg his entire time here, he's obvioysly a flawed player, but he still can be very productive. hell probably have a fairly good career for another team(s)
3) going into the po's just about every single person said they'd much rather keep stalberg than bickell. there was a relatively lengthy discussion about it.

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Which no one apparently wants to recognize at this moment in time.
Well it still limits the team as far as next year and who knows what it will go to. Obvious by the Bolland and Frolik trades.

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I don't like this much money for a guy who has never cracked 20 goals or 40 points.

I really hope he's the player some claim him to be and not a guy who got motivated at a seriously convenient time.

Hope I'm wrong.
I don't think its the points, more so the consistency. This is a guy that was a healthy scratch many times the previous year. I just hope he keeps up the play from this year.

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06-30-2013, 07:59 PM
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Which no one apparently wants to recognize at this moment in time.
next summer is not right now

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I think the guys in the room are going to hold him accountable for his effort.

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I'll change my post to say that anyone with any hockey sense knows that Bickell was going to get more than $4M.
I dunno. Phil Esposito is quoted as saying he wouldn't pay more than a little over 2.5 mill and short-term at that. (I mean, he has SOME hockey sense...)

But, anyway, I feel like this is an overpay. There's no doubt we need a crash the net guy, and some size out there with Toews. At the same time the Frolik/Kruger combination was the largest energy producing line all season line. And, Frolik was a major piece to our PK.

I would've preferred paying less for Bickell and keeping Frolik. That's the part that tastes bad to me. It means to me that this $4mm payment is why we no longer have Frolik. Thus, overpay.

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If they didn't give him 4 mill, they probably weren't keeping him. So im not sure it was an over payment. If the Hawks didn't give him that, another team would have.

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06-30-2013, 08:08 PM
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I dunno. Phil Esposito is quoted as saying he wouldn't pay more than a little over 2.5 mill and short-term at that. (I mean, he has SOME hockey sense...)
You completely missed the point.

Choosing not to pay him more than $2.5M is what many people would say, much like Esposito. And he may well be right.

But FMV is not determined by one person's opinion on what they would like to pay someone.

FMV is the most anyone would pay.

Do you really think that Chicago paid a premium to sign Bickell, that $4M is the highest offer he would have recieved, considering the complete lack of UFA's?

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06-30-2013, 08:09 PM
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next summer is not right now
Are they not going to be able to resign other important pieces because of this? If that turns out to be the case then yeah it is a bit crippling. I highly doubt it is though.

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