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07-03-2013, 10:47 AM
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Best individual seasons in Rangers history

Chief and I were talking about this the other day, and I figured it might make for a good thread. The question we wanted to answer is "What was the best individual season by a Rangers player, by position?"

This is my crack at it:

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Center Mark Messier 1991-92 79 35 72 107 31 64 95 N/A 6th 5th 1st AST, Hart, Ted Lindsay
HM: Frank Boucher (1929-30), Jean Ratelle (1971-72)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Left Wing Lynn Patrick 1941-42 47 32 22 54 42 31 73 1st N/A 2nd 1st AST, Retro-Rocket
HM: Vic Hadfield (1971-72), Steve Vickers (1974-75), Adam Graves (1993-94)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Right Wing Bill Cook 1932-33 48 28 22 50 50 54 104 1st 6th 1st 1st AST, Retro-Rocket, Retro-Art Ross
HM: Jaromir Jagr (2005-06), Rod Gilbert (1971-72), Andy Bathgate (1958-59), Bryan Hextall (1941-42)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P +/- Notes
Defense Brad Park 1971-72 75 24 49 73 23 50 73 62 1st AST
HM: Brian Leetch (1991-92), Ching Johnson (1931-32), Harry Howell (1966-67), Doug Harvey (1961-62), Sergei Zubov (1993-94)

Position Player Year GP W L SO GAA GAAF SV% SV%F Notes
Goalie Henrik Lundqvist 2011-12 62 39 18 8 1.97 5th 0.93 4th 1st AST, Vezina
HM: Dave Kerr (1939-40), Eddie Giacomin (1966-67), John Vanbiesbrouck (1985-86)


Some commentary:
* The Rangers, historically, are very thin at LW
* RW, on the other hand, is extraordinarily deep
* Bathgate and Cook had several seasons that could make HM
* 1971 Park vs 1991 Leetch was very close for me


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I had him as my second best RW season. See the HM under Bill Cook.

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No Jagr?
Duh, same question mark here.

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1932 Cook vs 2005 Jagr is a good debate.

Jagr's raw totals are very impressive. But keep in mind that he had 52 points on the powerplay in a year where powerplays were doled out like candy. In 2006, Pittsburgh led the league in PP opportunities with 463. There were 20 teams with at least that many in 2005.

With regards to Hart voting, both players finished second. Cook finished behind Eddie Shore. Jagr finished behind Joe Thornton.

Cook led the league in goals and points in 1932. He outscored second place by 14%. Jagr, conversely, finished second in goals (Cheechoo) and second in points (Thornton). Remove Thornton and Jagr outscored the field by 16%. But if you remove Cook's next best competition in 1932, he outscores the field by 16% as well.

Jagr's 2005 season, by the way, remains one of the best individual Ranger seasons I've seen in my lifetime.


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Best centre year for me...Ratelle in 71-72. Won Lady Byng and Pearson ( player voted MVP) and 2nd team AS. Function of his broken ankle. He had 109 points in 63 games and we all wonder what would have happened without that break.

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Chief and I were talking about this the other day, and I figured it might make for a good thread. The question we wanted to answer is "What was the best individual season by a Rangers player, by position?"

This is my crack at it:

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Center Mark Messier 1991-92 79 35 72 107 31 64 95 N/A 6th 5th 1st AST, Hart, Ted Lindsay
HM: Frank Boucher (1929-30), Jean Ratelle (1971-72)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Left Wing Lynn Patrick 1941-42 47 32 22 54 42 31 73 1st N/A 2nd 1st AST, Retro-Rocket
HM: Vic Hadfield (1971-72), Steve Vickers (1974-75), Adam Graves (1993-94)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Right Wing Bill Cook 1932-33 48 28 22 50 50 54 104 1st 6th 1st 1st AST, Retro-Rocket, Retro-Art Ross
HM: Jaromir Jagr (2005-06), Rod Gilbert (1971-72), Andy Bathgate (1958-59), Bryan Hextall (1941-42)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P +/- Notes
Defense Brad Park 1971-72 75 24 49 73 23 50 73 62 1st AST
HM: Brian Leetch (1991-92), Ching Johnson (1931-32), Harry Howell (1966-67), Doug Harvey (1961-62), Sergei Zubov (1993-94)

Position Player Year GP W L SO GAA GAAF SV% SV%F Notes
Goalie Henrik Lundqvist 2011-12 62 39 18 8 1.97 5th 0.93 4th 1st AST, Vezina
Dave Kerr (1939-40), Eddie Giacomin (1966-67), John Vanbiesbrouck (1985-86)


Some commentary:
* The Rangers, historically, are very thin at LW
* RW, on the other hand, is extraordinarily deep
* Bathgate and Cook had several seasons that could make HM
* 1971 Park vs 1991 Leetch was very close for me
Park was +62?

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Park was +62?
Yep. And barely edged out in Norris Voting by Orr. Two deciding factors for why I consider 71-72 his best season (not 73-74). To be fair though, his +/- was inflated in part by career years from Ratelle, Gilbert and Hadfield. From what I read, he was on the ice with the GAG line a lot that season.

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Brian Leetch 91-92. 80 assists 102 points. No other defenseman comes close. Park's highest was 82.

RW.
Jaromir Jagr 05-06. 54 goals 123 points.

C.
Jean Ratelle 71-72. 46 goals 109 points in just 63 games.

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Vic Hadfield 71-72. 50 goals 106 points.

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Henrik Lundqvist 11-12. 1.97 GAA 39 wins.

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Lester Patrick 27-28. Subs as goaltender in SCF. Rangers 1st Cup.

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Can someone try to explain the 1991-92 +/- results among Rangers defensemen?

Player GP Pts +/-
James Patrick 80 71 34
Mark Hardy 52 9 33
Brian Leetch 80 102 25
Jeff Beukeboom 56 11 19
Joe Cirella 67 15 11
Per Djoos 50 19 7
Randy Moller 43 9 15

Were Patrick and Hardy better defensively than Leetch that year? Or was Leetch getting harder assignments?

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From what i recall, because Leetch was on the ice so much, he was regulary out against opposition's top players.

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This is probably going to be viewed as bias in favor of recent history and whatnot (because let's be real, Rangers history prior to the Gilbert/Giacomin era is pretty underappreciated), but 05-06 Jagr was absolutely the best individual season this team has had at right wing. The statistics are pretty close and maybe on that weight you could give an edge to Cook. Jagr put the team on his back. We had a (damn good) rookie goaltender. Nylander and Straka were damn good but even so, their production was inflated by what Jagr did. After those two and Hank, our entire roster was almost exclusively made up of journeymen, bargain bin pickups, and rookies without much upside. Our first defensive pairing was Rozsival and Malik. Jason Ward was basically our second line right winger for half the season. Oh, and he did all this to end what is probably the most miserable stretch in franchise history.

And yes, I know there are some people who believe that maybe it was not a good thing because it didn't allow for a "true" rebuild and whatnot. We can play the what-if game forever; maybe we have a Penguins-esque slow building of elite talent. Or maybe we end up like the Blue Jackets/Panthers/Thrashers/etc. What we have to work with is reality, and that reality is that Jagr almost single-handedly lifted us out of the Dark Ages and transformed us from the laughing stock of the NHL into what we are now, which is a team that has legitimate potential both now and in the future as a Stanley Cup winner.

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Leetch homer here, so I'm saying his 91-92 season. Absolutely ridiculous.

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Chief and I were talking about this the other day, and I figured it might make for a good thread. The question we wanted to answer is "What was the best individual season by a Rangers player, by position?"

This is my crack at it:

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Center Mark Messier 1991-92 79 35 72 107 31 64 95 N/A 6th 5th 1st AST, Hart, Ted Lindsay
HM: Frank Boucher (1929-30), Jean Ratelle (1971-72)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Left Wing Lynn Patrick 1941-42 47 32 22 54 42 31 73 1st N/A 2nd 1st AST, Retro-Rocket
HM: Vic Hadfield (1971-72), Steve Vickers (1974-75), Adam Graves (1993-94)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P GF AF PF Notes
Right Wing Bill Cook 1932-33 48 28 22 50 50 54 104 1st 6th 1st 1st AST, Retro-Rocket, Retro-Art Ross
HM: Jaromir Jagr (2005-06), Rod Gilbert (1971-72), Andy Bathgate (1958-59), Bryan Hextall (1941-42)

Position Player Year GP G A P Adj G Adj A Adj P +/- Notes
Defense Brad Park 1971-72 75 24 49 73 23 50 73 62 1st AST
HM: Brian Leetch (1991-92), Ching Johnson (1931-32), Harry Howell (1966-67), Doug Harvey (1961-62), Sergei Zubov (1993-94)

Position Player Year GP W L SO GAA GAAF SV% SV%F Notes
Goalie Henrik Lundqvist 2011-12 62 39 18 8 1.97 5th 0.93 4th 1st AST, Vezina
Dave Kerr (1939-40), Eddie Giacomin (1966-67), John Vanbiesbrouck (1985-86)


Some commentary:
* The Rangers, historically, are very thin at LW
* RW, on the other hand, is extraordinarily deep
* Bathgate and Cook had several seasons that could make HM
* 1971 Park vs 1991 Leetch was very close for me
Zubov season can't be ignored. The 1st defenseman in history to lead a Stanley Cup winning team in points during the regular season.

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Zubov season can't be ignored. The 1st defenseman in history to lead a Stanley Cup winning team in points during the regular season.
Zubov was the inspiration for this thread. Chief wanted to recognize some players who had incredible peaks but were not Rangers long enough to make the All Time lists. Zubov's 93 season was an honorable mention in my post. You could probably throw Gretzky's first season in as an honorable mention for centers. The only reason why Gretzky made our All Time list was because the Rangers are paper thin at center once you get past Messier, Boucher, and Ratelle.

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I think Jagr in 2005-06 is the greatest season in Rangers history. There was nobody on that team and we gained 100 points after missing the playoffs for 7 straight years and finishing 12th the year before. When I die it will be etched on my headstone that Jagr got robbed blind of the Hart Trophy that year. I will never stop whining about that.

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Zubby has to get the nod because with all the talent on that team, he still topped them all in points...as a blueliner.

Leetch's 91-92 campaign was sick and a solid #2.

Jags has to get the nod at RW, the guy's got the season record for goals for goodness sake! He was money all season and single-handedly lifted the Rangers back into respectability.

Gravy's 52 and 127 PIMs needs to be top on LW. No one has ever worked harder and took more of a punishment to succeed, then Gravy did that season. Before blueliners were fronting players they used to clear the crease or you'd pay the price. Graves paid his pound of flesh and then some and set the NYR single season goal record in the process. Ridiculous he doesn't get the top LW spot for that season.

Some get chippy when the 94 team gets all the props. Well there's a reason for it. They were that good. There were many, many frustrating and disappointing seasons prior to 94. They ended a 54 year drought and they're the only team to win a SC since the expansion in the 70s.

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Jags has to get the nod at RW, the guy's got the season record for goals for goodness sake! He was money all season and single-handedly lifted the Rangers back into respectabilit.
The flash in the pan Swedish goalie had something to do with it too.

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Gravy's 52 and 127 PIMs needs to be top on LW. No one has ever worked harder and took more of a punishment to succeed, then Gravy did that season. Before blueliners were fronting players they used to clear the crease or you'd pay the price. Graves paid his pound of flesh and then some and set the NYR single season goal record in the process. Ridiculous he doesn't get the top LW spot for that season.
Different eras, different scoring tendencies. In the high-scoring early 90s, Grave's 79 points was good for 37th in the league. 52 goals was impressive, don't get me wrong, but matched or exceeded by seven others that year. Patrick on the other hand not only led the league in goalscoring in 1941, he outscored second place by 33%. That's so far ahead of the field it's absurd. Graves would have had to have scored 80 goals in 1993 to match that level of dominance. In addition to destroying the field in goalscoring, Patrick received 29 first place votes for LW all-star voting. The next best? Milt Schmidt with 1. Graves finished second in LW all-star voting, slightly ahead of Dave Andreychuk. Patrick's performance at LW in 1941 was an outright statistical outlier. Graves wasn't. I think Patrick's season was more impressive.


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Zubov was the inspiration for this thread. Chief wanted to recognize some players who had incredible peaks but were not Rangers long enough to make the All Time lists. Zubov's 93 season was an honorable mention in my post. You could probably throw Gretzky's first season in as an honorable mention for centers. The only reason why Gretzky made our All Time list was because the Rangers are paper thin at center once you get past Messier, Boucher, and Ratelle.
I respect it making an honorable mention. Crease you are one of the most knowledgable people I have ever known when it comes to our New York Rangers.

I just think it terms of a season, despite me owning 10x signed Leetch Jerseys and having 3 of his Jerseys including his signed (game worn) jersey from his first night in Toronto where he scored 3 points hanging above my bed, that for a cup winning team Zubovs season was the best to date. Think we have cause for another sticky thread.

We have already done the best Center & Defenseman in Rangers history. I think its time we do a thread for best individual season in Rangers history per position. I agree with 3 of your 5, sans Graves/Jagr (even IMO) and Zubov.

Despite different eras I think we can make it work.

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The flash in the pan Swedish goalie had something to do with it too.
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We have already done the best Center & Defenseman in Rangers history. I think its time we do a thread for best individual season in Rangers history per position. I agree with 3 of your 5, sans Graves/Jagr (even IMO) and Zubov.

Despite different eras I think we can make it work.
If there is enough interest I'd be happy to admin this type of project. However I promised the participants of the Defensemen project that they'd get some well-deserved time off. They essentially did Centers and Defensemen back-to-back over the course of three months. Defensemen was more exhausting than I anticipated -- we had to unearth and analyze a lot of anecdotal information instead of relying on readily available statistics. I plan on assessing interest in a Goalies or Wingers project in August or September. Perhaps when all is said and done, we can formally tackle this one.

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Park was +62 in 71.

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Park was +62 in 71.

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Hard to believe as team we actually scored 62 more than we gave up.

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Jagr should be #1 on the RW, no questions asked.

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