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07-11-2013, 08:22 AM
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Gillis (and Aquilini) made the biggest mistake by "marrying" Luongo, not "falling in love" with Schneider.

And Luongo's deal wasn't untradeable from the get go (although it was very limiting to all but a few teams), it became untradeable after the new CBA and his game began to show some leaks.
That's your opinion, but the fact is; he did make a lifetime commitment to Lu.
Gillis knew everything about Luongo and chose to make that commitment to him.

Look, I'll spare you the laws of nature regarding lifetime commitments and the penalties for breaking said commitments, but it had to go down this way or become extremely costly for aqualini just as any broken contract/commitment would.

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07-11-2013, 08:44 AM
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Gillis didn't "fall in love" with Schneider. He correctly concluded that he was the better and younger goalie and wanted to keep him for the betterment of the team. Didn't work that way.
It didn't work out because it wasn't for the betterment of the team. Keeping Schneider was a doomed idea the second that Gillis signed Luongo long term. The problem is that Gillis didn't see that, and he dragged some of you into this fantasy.

Ditching the wife and marrying the babysitter doesn't work.

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07-11-2013, 09:55 AM
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That is insane and pathetic at the same time.
The 1994 Canucks logged 1,545.583 minutes in the postseason, the equivalent of 25.76 games.

Those Canucks gave Kirk McLean 76 goals of support, which is good for 2.95 goals for per game.

And yet that wasn't enough to win the Cup.

The 2011 Canucks logged 1,589.817 minutes in the postseason, the equivalent of 26.5 games.

Those Canucks, sporting two Art Ross Trophy winners, gave Roberto Luongo 58 goals of support, which is good for 2.19 goals for per game.

And that nearly won them the Cup.

Have I re-defined "pathetic" for you?

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07-11-2013, 10:23 AM
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comparing 1994 nhl to 2011 nhl is also "pathetic". a time where stand up goalies were still around and pads were about half the size. this is why throwing stats around doesnt always work.

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07-11-2013, 10:29 AM
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comparing 1994 nhl to 2011 nhl is also "pathetic". a time where stand up goalies were still around and pads were about half the size. this is why throwing stats around doesnt always work.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think you're trying to equate the goal support McLean and Luongo received. You can't be serious, right?

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07-11-2013, 10:31 AM
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comparing 1994 nhl to 2011 nhl is also "pathetic". a time where stand up goalies were still around and pads were about half the size. this is why throwing stats around doesnt always work.
How about searching and seeing if any SCF team has ever scored 8 goals in a 7 game series and, if so, whether they won. In any era.

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07-11-2013, 10:48 AM
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My latest JAB on the situation:

http://www.straight.com/life/398991/straight-jab

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07-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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You guys can make all the excuses for Lu you like. Can't score blah blah blah. Ever consider the effect putrid goaltending has on a team's psyche? Their confidence and then ability to score goals? Here's a hint; if you're gripping the stick trying to be perfect worried about the head case getting pulled again, you're not going to score goals.
There's more support for the opposite position actually. That Luongo had a lot of weight on his shoulders because the Canucks were incapable of scoring 1st or even 2nd period goals. Most of the games, the Canucks were either tied or only one goal down by the 30 minute mark (with them having 0 goals).

First game, Canucks scored at the end of the 3rd period and Luongo had to post a shutout.

2nd game they scored 1 goal through the first 50 minutes.

3rd game they scored 0 goals in first 50 minutes. The game was actually tied through first 20. Only 2-0 down through first 30.

1-0 down through 30 of the 4th game.

0 goals through first 40 minutes of game 5. Shutout for Luongo.

0 goals through first 40 minutes of game 6. Really the only game where Luongo played like crap.

0 goals through 60 minutes. Only 1-0 down by 30 minute mark.


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07-11-2013, 11:00 AM
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My latest JAB on the situation:

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classic!

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Going to go over and watch some of the WSOP in a bit. Hope I see Luo. His brother is still in it.

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07-11-2013, 11:06 AM
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Playoff games are supposed to be tight and low scoring!
Chicago and Boston scored 37 and 36 1st and 2nd period goals these playoffs. LA scored 35 in 20 games last season.

Canucks scored 29 in more games than all three of those teams. Boston that season scored 53.

The season prior, Chicago scored 50. Before that, Pittsburgh scored 49.

Hell, the weakest team to make the SCF in years, the NJD, scored more 1st and 2nd period goals.

Their offensive production was so pathetic it's not even in the same tier as any goaltending struggles you can come up with. You can find teams that have won a Cup with that type of goaltending. You can't find a single team with that type of scoring that won a Cup. Hell, most teams that pathetic wouldn't even make the SCF.

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07-11-2013, 11:17 AM
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Ever consider the effect putrid goaltending has on a team's psyche? Their confidence and then ability to score goals?
Ever considered the effect of putrid goalscoring on a goalie's psyche? His confidence and ability knowing he has to stop every single puck?

 
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