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06-08-2015, 12:24 PM
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All or nothing SCF matches

Just a general thread to remark on the phenomenon of players - or teams - that made the SCF in one particular period, failed to capture the championship, and then fizzled out and never recaptured the chance to compete for it again in that era.

Examples would be:
  • Lindros and the Flyers
  • Bure and the Canucks
  • Dale Hunter and the Capitals
  • Iginla and the Flames
  • Alfredsson and the Senators
  • Jovanovski and the Panthers
  • 1999 Sabres

There are also matches where both teams likely could've had the same outcome. The Sabres and Stars, for example - had the Sabres won, Modano's stars would never have captured a Stanley Cup (although they did make the finals once before in the early 90s). The Canucks and the Rangers as well, the Rangers would be dying of Cup thirst right now had Messier not led them to victory.

Sedins and the 2011 Canucks might make this list eventually.

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There are also matches where both teams likely could've had the same outcome. The Sabres and Stars, for example - had the Sabres won, Modano's stars would never have captured a Stanley Cup (although they did make the finals once before in the early 90s).
Dallas also made it back to the Finals the following year, which seems to contradict your topic sentence (i.e., they had a great chance to compete for it again).

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Would Gretzky's Kings fall into this category?

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Bondra/Kolzig and the 1998 Caps, did not make it past the first round after that until 2009.

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Dallas also made it back to the Finals the following year, which seems to contradict your topic sentence (i.e., they had a great chance to compete for it again).
You know, I constantly, CONSTANTLY forget that they did this and I don't know why.

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Pronger's Oilers come to mind

The 2011 Canucks are already here permanently I think. Can't imagine them winning one with the Sedins that much older

2004 Maple Leafs - Sundin/Quinn era

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Jeremy Roenick

1992 Stanley Cup Final

Swept by the Penguins, vowed right after that he would be back.

Never.

J.R.'s time in Chicago ended a few years later. The Hawks had some good teams still, but not like that.

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French Connection Sbres
Any Canucks team
81 and 91 Stars
72 Park/Ratelle Rangers if you think they're distinct from Espo and Swedes on 79 team

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Sedins and the 2011 Canucks might make this list eventually.
I would say the 2011 Canucks are already on that list. Actually you could say that about all 3 Canuck teams that made the Stanley Cup finals, they all fizzled out and never lived up to the hope/promise/expectations built up by those final appearances. In fact all 3 had a dismal run after those finals and never came close to reaching that high point again.

1982 Stanley Cup Final Swept 4-0 By NY Islanders

1983 Lost 1st round 3-1 vs Calgary
1984 Lost 1st round 3-1 vs Calgary
1985 Missed Playoffs
1986 Swept 3-0 1st round 3-1 vs Edmonton
1987 Missed Playoffs
1988 Missed Playoffs
1989 Lost 1st round 4-3 vs Calgary
1990 Missed Playoffs
1991 Lost 1st round 4-2 vs LA Kings

Counting the final that would be a 0-6 series streak and 7-21 playoff game streak before they would finally win another series in 1992.

1994 Lost Stanley Cup Final 4-3 vs NY Rangers

1995 Won 1st round 4-3 vs St.Louis
1995 Swept 4-0 2nd round vs Chicago
1996 Lost 1st round 4-2 vs Colorado
1997 Missed Playoffs
1998 Missed Playoffs
1999 Missed Playoffs
2000 Missed Playoffs
2001 Swept 4-0 1st round vs Colorado
2002 Lost 1st round 4-2 vs Detroit

Again counting the final that is a 1-5 series streak, and a 11-23 playoff game streak. Worse still from that final series vs the Rangers in 1994 to the 2007 playoffs the Canuck franchise would win exactly 2 playoff series, both 1st round series vs St.Louis.

2011 Lost Stanley Cup Final 4-3 to Boston

2012 Lost 1st round 4-1 vs LA Kings
2013 Swept 4-0 1st round vs San Jose
2014 Missed Playoffs
2015 Lost 1st round 4-2 vs Calgary

Counting the final that is a 0-4 series streak, and a 6-16 playoff game streak (so far) It`s even worse when you realize 2 of those 6 wins came in the first two games of that Stanley Cup Final.

So in three Stanley Cup Final runs counting the finals Vancouver would go 1-15 in playoff series in the following years, and a playoff game record of 24-60.

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French Connection Sbres
Any Canucks team
81 and 91 Stars
72 Park/Ratelle Rangers if you think they're distinct from Espo and Swedes on 79 team
Definitely distinct. Wasn't just that Ratelle/Park were gone. Coach Emile Francis had been fired. Also traded away were captain Vic Hadfield, Park's partner Dale Rolfe, Rod Seiling, Pete Stemkowski, Ted Irvine, Jim Neilson, Bill Fairbairn, Gene Carr and goalies Ed Giacomin and Gilles Villemure. Rod Gilbert, Bobby Rousseau & Phil Goyette retired and Bruce MacGregor jumped to the WHA. The only significant player left on that '79 team was Walt Tkaczuk.

All that said I wonder if they fit the OPs description. Losing the Cup didn't end that editions ability to compete for a championship. The Rangers did make it back to the semi-finals in '73 and '74. 3rd and 5th best records in those regular seasons. I'd say game 7 of the semis in '74 against the Bullies was their Waterloo. First Original Six team to lose to an expansion team in the playoffs. The following season they fell to seventh in points and were ousted in the prelims by the rival Islanders. They made the big trade the following season, missed the playoffs and then had to go about rebuilding the roster.

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