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05-10-2009, 09:09 PM
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Maybe not be history, but does anyone know where I can find the voting results for the past two seasons?
Pages 5-6-7 or so of this thread.

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05-11-2009, 12:34 AM
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Nobody seems to have posted 2000/2001 votes yet, so here they are.

2000-2001 Hart

1. Joe Sakic, COL 585 (53-6-2-1-0)
2. Mario Lemieux, PIT 272 (8-17-10-6-5)
3. Jaromir Jagr, PIT 210 (0-20-10-5-5)
4. Roman Cechmanek, PHI 89 (0-2-8-10-5)
5. Martin Brodeur, N.J. 64 (0-4-4-4-4)
6. Patrik Elias, N.J. 61 (0-3-4-5-5)
7. Doug Weight, EDM 61 (0-2-7-2-6)
8. Dominik Hasek, BUF 42 (0-3-2-3-2)
9. Pavel Bure, FLA 41 (0-0-4-5-6)
10. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 38 (0-2-1-6-1)
11. Markus Naslund, VAN 20 (1-1-0-0-3)
12. Sean Burke, PHX 17 (0-0-2-1-4)
13. Mike Modano, DAL 17 (0-0-1-3-3)
14. Alexei Yashin, OTT 15 (0-0-2-1-2)
15. Scott Stevens, N.J. 13 (0-0-2-1-0)
16. Alexei Kovalev, PIT 10 (0-1-0-1-0)
17. Tommy Salo, EDM 10 (0-0-2-0-0)
18. Evgeni Nabokov, S.J. 8 (0-0-1-0-3)
19. Sergei Fedorov, DET 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
20. Peter Bondra, WSH 7 (0-0-0-1-4)
21. Jason Allison, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
Steve Yzerman, DET 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
23. Rob Blake, L.A.-COL 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Brett Hull, DAL 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Patrick Lalime, OTT 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Keith Primeau, PHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Mark Recchi, PHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
28. Arturs Irbe, CAR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Jeff O'Neill, CAR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
That Brodeur finished 5th in Hart voting in 2000-01 is puzzling.

His team led the league in goals for and had the best shot differential in the league.

Brodeur's save percentage was only slightly higher than the league average.

Was he really that valuable to this team that year?

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That Brodeur finished 5th in Hart voting in 2000-01 is puzzling.

His team led the league in goals for and had the best shot differential in the league.

Brodeur's save percentage was only slightly higher than the league average.

Was he really that valuable to this team that year?
Edit: Nevermind the following angry rant. I can't read.

Without even checking, I'm sure he led the league in goals for because he led the league in minutes played by a wide margin. A valuable goalie tends to get lots of minutes, you know?

But please, go ahead and use statistics 8 years after the fact to argue against the opinions of those who, you know, actually watched the games.

2001 was obviously Sakic first, then Lemieux and Jagr, then everyone else.


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Without even checking, I'm sure he led the league in goals for because he led the league in minutes played by a wide margin. A valuable goalie tends to get lots of minutes, you know?

But please, go ahead and use statistics 8 years after the fact to argue against the opinions of those who, you know, actually watched the games.

2001 was obviously Sakic first, then Lemieux and Jagr, then everyone else.
I think you misunderstood him Devil.
He said "His team lead the league in goals for"

Meaning the devils were the highest scoring team in the league that year(By a pretty good margin over the other 100+ point teams). I think he was implying that the devils had exceptional depth at every position with 3 solid scoring lines + one of the best shutdown lines in the league, terrific defense and Brodeur.

In retrospect, at the time, they seemed to penalize goalies for playing on high scoring teams at the time. Hasek had a fantastic season in 2001-02(65GP, 41W, 15L, 8T, 2.17GAA, 91.5% 5 SO), but did not get many Vezina votes, etc

I think that is what the poster was getting at.

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I think you misunderstood him Devil.
He said "His team lead the league in goals for"

Meaning the devils were the highest scoring team in the league that year(By a pretty good margin over the other 100+ point teams). I think he was implying that the devils had exceptional depth at every position with 3 solid scoring lines + one of the best shutdown lines in the league, terrific defense and Brodeur.

In retrospect, at the time, they seemed to penalize goalies for playing on high scoring teams at the time. Hasek had a fantastic season in 2001-02(65GP, 41W, 15L, 8T, 2.17GAA, 91.5% 5 SO), but did not get many Vezina votes, etc

I think that is what the poster was getting at.
Oh yes. My 3AM reading comprehension apparently isn't what it used to be. I think it was a case of the 2000-01 Devils being an incredible team and the voters wanting to give someone Hart Credit. I noticed Brodeur, Stevens, and Elias all getting a small but significant number of votes.

As for Hasek in 2001-02, his numbers took a big dip when he moved to Detroit (other than wins obviously). He suffered from what Brodeur suffered from earlier in his career - being a a great team where he didn't need to be great.

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How soon will it be until we get the results of this years voting?

In fact, can somebody source me where they usually come up with it and Ill compile it?

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2008-2009 NHL AWARDS VOTING RESULTS


2008-2009 Hart Trophy Voting


#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
1 Alex OvechkinWSH126411514220
2 Evgeni MalkinPIT78712712798
3 Pavel DatsyukDET404414381919
4 Steve MasonCBJ266013211816
5 Zach PariseNJ25705203129
6 Sidney CrosbyPIT1030351318
7 Tim ThomasBOS100039713
8 Zdeno CharaBOS7923284
9 Joe ThorntonSJ2702122
10 Roberto LuongoVAN1902012
11 Jeff CarterPHI1901026
12 Jarome IginlaCGY1900223
13 Mike GreenWSH1300210
14 Rick NashCBJ1300122
15 Ryan GetzlafANA1100120
16 Evgeni NabokovSJ800110
17 Nicklas LidstromDET701000
18 Patrick MarleauSJ700021
18Cam WardCAR700021
20 Miikka KiprusoffCGY600020
21 Henrik ZetterbergDET600013
22 Chris MasonSTL400011
22Eric StaalCAR400011
24 Dan BoyleSJ300010
24Marian HossaDET300010
26 Mike RichardsPHI100001
26Marc SavardBOS100001


2008-2009 Norris Trophy Voting

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
1 Zdeno CharaBOS103468361840
2 Mike GreenWSH98250531944
3 Nicklas LidstromDET733143458198
4 Shea WeberNSH18604112528
5 Dan BoyleSJ1730243825
6 Duncan KeithCHI950241419
7 Andrei MarkovMTL950191013
8 Mark StreitNYI2900159
9 Brian RafalskiDET2710045
10 Scott NiedermayerANA2700326
11 Dennis WidemanBOS2400235
12 Dion PhaneufCGY1700221
13 Sheldon SourayEDM1601111
14 Jay BouwmeesterFLA900104
15 Kimmo TimonenPHI800015
16 Brian CampbellCHI300010


2008-2009 Vezina Trophy Voting

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1 Tim ThomasBOS1272252
2 Steve MasonCBJ33346
3 Niklas BackstromMIN31182
4 Roberto LuongoVAN30255
5 Evgeni NabokovSJ20143
6 Henrik LundqvistNYR14116
7 Cam WardCAR11025
8 Miikka KiprusoffCGY3010
9 Tomas VokounFLA1001


2008-2009 Jack Adams Award Voting

#CoachTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1 Claude JulienBOS22435147
2 Andy MurraySTL13515179
3 Todd McLellanSJ9891411
4 Ken HitchcockCBJ695917
5 Brent SutterNJ36363
6 Mike BabcockDET20312
7 Joel QuennevilleCHI15124
8 Paul MauriceCAR11032
9 Alain VigneaultVAN10017
10 Barry TrotzNSH8022
11 Bruce BoudreauWSH6013
12 Peter DeBoerFLA3010
13 Dan BylsmaPIT2002
14 Ron WilsonTOR2002


2008-2009 Calder Trophy Voting

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
1 Steve MasonCBJ12681216220
2 Bobby RyanANA8299842494
3 Kris VersteegCHI32318263522
4 Pekka RinneNSH31901534917
5 Drew DoughtyLA303014222617
6 Blake WheelerBOS15713111720
7 Patrik BerglundSTL12800102018
8 T.J. OshieSTL3001153
9 Steven StamkosTB22000313
10 Michael FrolikFLA1201100
11 Mikhail GrabovskiTOR800022
12 Zach BogosianATL700014
13 Chris ButlerBUF500100
14 Matt HunwickBOS400011
15 Kyle OkposoNYI400004
16 Jonathan QuickLA300010
17 James NealDAL200002
17Luke SchennTOR200002
19 Derick BrassardCBJ100001
19Claude GirouxPHI100001


2008-2009 Lady Byng Trophy Voting

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
1 Pavel DatsyukDET9336435477
2 Martin St. LouisTB66230223677
3 Zach PariseNJ521153023144
4 Patrick MarleauSJ203110121712
5 Nicklas LidstromDET116433124
6 Daniel AlfredssonOTT1132351211
7 Jarome IginlaCGY9034264
8 Brian RafalskiDET74233212
9 Phil KesselBOS4903334
10 Ray WhitneyCAR4720245
11 Martin HavlatCHI4711336
12 Brian CampbellCHI4212222
13 Louie ErikssonDAL4101273
14 Teemu SelanneANA3202310
15 Jason PominvilleBUF2900247
16 Brad BoyesSTL2512001
17 Brad RichardsDAL2501303
18 Daniel SedinVAN2400154
19 Todd WhiteATL2211012
20 David KrejciBOS2100232
21 Mike KnublePHI2020000
22 Simon GagnePHI1902012
23 Milan HejdukCOL1701112
24 Henrik ZetterbergDET1701031
25 Kyle WellwoodVAN1500300
26 Shane DoanPHX1410011
27 Jiri HudlerDET1200121
28 Ian LaperriereCOL1010000
28Ryan MillerBUF1010000
28Martin SkoulaMIN1010000
31 Travis ZajacNJ1001010
32 Nicklas BackstromWSH1000200
33 Joe ThorntonSJ801001
34 Slava KozlovATL800110
35 Patrice BergeronBOS701000
35Rod Brind'AmourCAR701000
35Sidney CrosbyPIT701000
35Henrik SedinVAN701000
39 Andrew BrunetteMIN700102
39 J.P. DumontNSH700102
39Niklas HagmanTOR700102
42 P.J. AxelssonBOS600101
42Stephen WeissFLA600101
44 Craig ConroyCGY500100
44Pavol DemitraVAN500100
44Chris DruryNYR500100
44Roberto LuongoVAN500100
44Mark RecchiBOS500100
44Rob ScuderiPIT500100
44Devin SetoguchiSJ500100
44Eric StaalCAR500100
52 Patrik EliasNJ400011
52Anze KopitarLA400011
52Thomas VanekBUF400011
55 Patrik BerglundSTL300010
55Dustin BoydCGY300010
55Marian HossaDET300010
55Patrick KaneCHI300010
55Vincent LecavalierTB300010
55Henrik LundquistNYR300010
55Jay PandolfoNJ300010
55Richard ZednikFLA300010
55Saku KoivuMTL200002
64 Dustin BrownLA100001
64Mike CammalleriCGY100001
64Sergei FedorovWSH100001
64Viktor KozlovWSH100001
64Andrew LaddCHI100001
64Michael RyderBOS100001
64Cory StillmanFLA100001
64Steve SullivanNSH100001


2008-2009 Frank Selke Trophy Voting

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
1 Pavel DatsyukDET9455548854
2 Mike RichardsPHI9426142622
3 Ryan KeslerVAN29019331410
4 Henrik ZetterbergDET1543381712
5 Mikko KoivuMIN1541313177
6 David KrejciBOS10925585
7 Travis ZajacNJ89031053
8 Zach PariseNJ8022901
9 Patrick MarleauSJ64015711
10 Jamie LangenbrunnerNJ5811368
11 Alex BurrowsVAN3510412
12 Craig ConroyCGY3302128
13 Marian HossaDET3300360
14 Andrew LaddCHI3012020
15 Simon GagnePHI2603100
16 Rod Brind'AmourCAR2311101
17 Jonathan ToewsCHI2211012
18 Jeff CarterPHI2201124
19 Manny MalhotraCBJ2100306
20 Joe PavelskiSJ1700302
21 P.J. AxelssonBOS1700133
22 Marc SavardBOS1210002
23 Ryan GetzlafANA1201100
24 Johan FranzenDET1101011
24John MaddenNJ1101011
24Blake WheelerBOS1101011
27 Maxim LapierreMTL1100120
28 Nicklas BackstromWSH1010000
28Antti MiettinenMIN1010000
30 Joe ThorntonSJS1000200
31 Jay McClementSTL1000112
32 Jordan StaalPIT1000105
33 Chris DruryNYR901002
34 Blair BettsNYR800022
35 Jarome IginlaCGY701000
36 Rick NashCBJ700021
36Alexander SeminWSH700021
38 Daniel AlfredssonOTT600101
38Kris DraperDET600101
40 Patrik EliasNJ600020
41 David LegwandNSH500100
41Derek RoyBUF500100
41 Martin St. LouisTB500100
41Eric StaalCAR500100
45 Samuel PahlssonCHI500012
46 Brian GiontaNJ400011
46Martin HavlatCHI400011
46Shawn HorcoffEDM400011
49 Evgeni MalkinPIT400004
50 Loui ErikssonDAL300010
50Mike GrierSJ300010
50Jere LehtinenDAL300010
50Antti MiettinenMIN300010
50Travis MoenSJ300010
50Dominic MooreBUF300010
50Alex OvechkinWSH300010
50Jason PominvilleBUF300010
50Marty ReasonerATL300010
50Daniel SedinVAN300010
50Patrick SharpCHI300010
50David SteckelWSH300010
50Joel WardNSH300010
63 Rene BourqueCGY300003
64 Eric BelangerMIN100001
64Ryan CallahanNYR100001
64Michal HandzusLA100001
64Ian LaperriereCOL100001
64 R.J. UmbergerCBJ100001
64Stephen WeissFLA100001
64Stephane YelleBOS100001


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2008-2009 NHL ALL-STAR TEAM VOTING RESULTS


CENTER

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1Evgeni Malkin PIT591107182
2Pavel Datsyuk DET325137632
3Sidney Crosby PIT20373466
4Ryan Getzlaf ANA17119
5Joe Thornton SJ14204
6Jeff Carter PHI7007
7Mikko Koivu MIN5100
8Henrik Zetterberg DET4011
9Eric Staal CAR3010
10Nicklas Backstrom WSH3003
10Marc Savard BOS3003
12Mike Richards PHI2002
13David Krejci BOS1001
13Patrick Marleau SJ1001


LEFT WING


#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1Alex Ovechkin WSH65013000
2Zach Parise NJ362211410
3Ilya Kovalchuk ATL640840
4Rick Nash CBJ580252
5Daniel Sedin VAN150112
6Mike Cammalleri CGY140111
7Henrik Zetterberg DET13034
8Simon Gagne PHI4011
9Marian Hossa DET3010
9Evgeni Malkin PIT3010
11Alexander Semin WSH1001
11Ray Whitney CAR1001


RIGHT WING

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1Jarome Iginla CGY568100208
2Marian Hossa DET234203820
3Martin St. Louis TB14443034
4Martin Havlat CHI13642832
5Corey Perry ANA18039
6Shane Doan PHX15036
7Brad Boyes STL11025
8Rick Nash CBJ9030
9Daniel Alfredsson OTT6006
10Ryan Getzlaf ANA5100
10Alex Ovechkin WSH5100
10Zach Parise NJ5100
13David Backes STL3010
13Phil Kessel BOS3010
13Alexander Semin WSH3010
13Henrik Zetterberg DET3010
17Jamie Langenbrunner NJ3003
18Patrick Kane CHI2002
18Devin Setoguchi SJ2002
20Mike Cammalleri CGY1001
20Alex Kovalev MTL1001
20Bobby Ryan ANA1001
20Ray Whitney CAR1001


DEFENSE

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1Mike Green WSH594107185
2Zdeno Chara BOS56697263
3Nicklas Lidstrom DET471497210
4Dan Boyle SJ17324043
5Shea Weber NSH17243644
6Andrei Markov MTL10612332
7Duncan Keith CHI9731925
8Brian Rafalski DET391519
9Scott Niedermayer ANA330615
10Mark Streit NYI290417
11Dennis Wideman BOS260511
12Dion Phaneuf CGY13034
13Sheldon Souray EDM12026
14Kimmo Timonen PHI10017
15Jay Bouwmeester FLA7007
16Brian Campbell CHI6013
17Drew Doughty LA3010
18Chris Pronger ANA3003
19Niklas Kronwall DET2002
19Willie Mitchell VAN2002
21Rob Blake SJ1001
21Robyn Regehr CGY1001


GOALTENDER


#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd
1Tim Thomas BOS580103205
2Steve Mason CBJ313226023
3Roberto Luongo VAN8221430
4Niklas Backstrom MIN6001418
5Evgeni Nabokov SJ501918
6Miikka Kiprusoff CGY29159
7Cam Ward CAR260414
8Martin Brodeur NJ7102
9Henrik Lundqvist NYR7014
10Tomas Vokoun FLA6020
11Chris Mason STL5100
12Pekka Rinne NSH3003
13Nikolai Khabibulin CHI1001
13Ryan Miller BUF1001

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Wow, Steve Mason was ridiculously overrated. I can't believe he finished 4th (!) for the Hart.

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i said this in the stickied thread in the main forum, but it bears saying again. pretty disgraceful on the voters' parts how close weber came to being a second team all-star. and this is coming from someone who likes weber.

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Who the hell gave Brian Rafalski a first place Norris vote?

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@ Crosby getting the 2nd place vote for the Lady Byng.

And how the hell Ovie got so many 1st place votes for the Hart. It should have been close as hell. He wasn't clearly better then Malkin, Datsyuk, or even Mason and Parise.

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Wow, Steve Mason was ridiculously overrated. I can't believe he finished 4th (!) for the Hart.
Why? He was arguably the player most valuable to his teams success.

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2008-2009 NHL AWARDS VOTING RESULTS



2008-2009 Frank Selke Trophy Voting

#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
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i said this in the stickied thread in the main forum, but it bears saying again. pretty disgraceful on the voters' parts how close weber came to being a second team all-star. and this is coming from someone who likes weber.
Disgraceful is how little respect Duncan Keith gets.

He should have been 4th overall for the last 2nd team spot, not Boyle

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@ Crosby getting the 2nd place vote for the Lady Byng.

And how the hell Ovie got so many 1st place votes for the Hart. It should have been close as hell. He wasn't clearly better then Malkin, Datsyuk, or even Mason and Parise.
Ovie was a clear cut Hart winner to me this year.

Him taking so many first place votes has nothing to do with how "close" the voters thought they were. Merely that everyone thought Ovechkin was just a little bit better, so they gave him the 1st place vote

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Why? He was arguably the player most valuable to his teams success.
The guy made his season off a great December. From January to April he posted a .904 SV% and the Blue Jackets got below average goaltending. It'd be a different story if his overall play over the season was a higher level than most other goalie but it wasn't.

When you consider the type of defense Columbus plays (call it the Pascal Leclair effect) there's no chance in my mind that he was the fourth most valuable player in the league this year.

That's not to say he's not a good young player with a bright future but a month and a half of outstanding play to me isn't enough to be the fourth most valuable player in the league.

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The guy made his season off a great December. From January to April he posted a .904 SV% and the Blue Jackets got below average goaltending. It'd be a different story if his overall play over the season was a higher level than most other goalie but it wasn't.

When you consider the type of defense Columbus plays (call it the Pascal Leclair effect) there's no chance in my mind that he was the fourth most valuable player in the league this year.

That's not to say he's not a good young player with a bright future but a month and a half of outstanding play to me isn't enough to be the fourth most valuable player in the league.
It's similar to how Shea Weber came so close to being a 2nd team all star - an outstanding run early in the season got the writers' attention, then they were too lazy to notice him falling back to Earth.

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- Datsyuk squeezes by Richards by 3 points for the Selke.

- Ovechkin gets 130 of 132 votes for 1st team All-Star

- Would have expected Quenneville to get more Adams votes

- Nicklas Backstrom gets a 1st place vote for Selke...really?

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- Datsyuk squeezes by Richards by 3 points for the Selke.

- Ovechkin gets 130 of 132 votes for 1st team All-Star

- Would have expected Quenneville to get more Adams votes

- Nicklas Backstrom gets a 1st place vote for Selke...really?
Rafalski getting a 1st place norris vote was even more bizarre.

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Local writers I assume.

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Had these exact same votes been awarded under the pre-1996 format of 5-3-1, Richards would've won the Selke over Datsyuk 437-427. There's been a few times where the winner would've been different under the old system (Bourque instead of Chelios for the '96 Norris, Jagr instead of Pronger for the 2000 Hart).

Two writers not having Ovechkin among their top 3 LWs is a little odd. One of them voted for him at RW instead, not sure why the other one missed him completely.

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I still hate the points system. why does a guy who got a first place votes get 10X as many points as a guy who got a 5th place vote? Why does the 3rd place guy get 5X as many points as the 5th place guy?

Who did the voters like better? A guy who was 0-0-3-1-1 with 19 points? Or a guy with 0-0-0-2-8? He showed up on twice as many ballots and has just 14 points.

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SELKE voting:

1999-2000

Pierre Turgeon 10 (1-0-0-0-0)
Yanic Perreault 8 (0-0-0-2-2)

2002-2003

Brett Hull 7 (0-1-0-0-0)

2003-2004

Glen Murray, BOS 10 (1-0-0-0-0)

2006-2007

Teemu Selanne, ANA 11 (0-0-2-0-1)
Jaromir Jagr, NYR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Gotta love the Selke voting.

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Edit: Nevermind the following angry rant. I can't read.

Without even checking, I'm sure he led the league in goals for because he led the league in minutes played by a wide margin. A valuable goalie tends to get lots of minutes, you know?

But please, go ahead and use statistics 8 years after the fact to argue against the opinions of those who, you know, actually watched the games.

2001 was obviously Sakic first, then Lemieux and Jagr, then everyone else.
Why couldnt hasek be the runner up to sakic? He recorded 11 shutouts, played 67 games and had a 92.1 save%. Hasek was far more valuable to the sabres than Jagr or Lemieux were to Pittsburgh. Mario didnt get much hart support in 1990 or 1992, yet hes the runner up in 2001 despite missing 3 months, nice logic in voting. In 1992 he played more games and won the scoring title, yet recieves fewer votes.

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