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06-22-2011, 10:22 PM
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I like the comprehensiveness of the results.
Yeah, I agree after only seven words of debate...

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I like the comprehensiveness of the results.
Agreed. Having complete voting results allows you to add the number of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th votes. You should have the same number of votes for all five rankings - if you don't, you know you have an error.

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Yeah, definitely my bad...fixed it up...

I'm thinking we should have a standard cutoff for Selke / Lady Byng perhaps, does anyone care that Alex Steen got a 5th place vote for the Selke?...
It's interestign that 53 different players got consideration, in the form of votes for the award.

Does this indicate that maybe some voters don't know exactly on what to judge or evaluate?

Or that there is a lack of consensus on it?

Or is it just one of those stastical flukes?

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It's interestign that 53 different players got consideration, in the form of votes for the award.

Does this indicate that maybe some voters don't know exactly on what to judge or evaluate?

Or that there is a lack of consensus on it?

Or is it just one of those stastical flukes?
I would think that it just has to do with the local writers voting for their favourite player...

These results are disheartening to say the least...Of course this is my first time critically evaluating them, I assume the same happens every year...

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06-22-2011, 10:33 PM
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It's interestign that 53 different players got consideration, in the form of votes for the award.

Does this indicate that maybe some voters don't know exactly on what to judge or evaluate?

Or that there is a lack of consensus on it?

Or is it just one of those stastical flukes?
You are always going to have personal biases come into play, and local writers throwing 5th place votes to local players as "rewards" and whatnot. The reason this isn't such a big deal is because there are so many voters that the weird/token/dumb votes mostly get drowned out by the volume, and so the final results display regression towards the mean.

For this reason, I find having the GMs vote on the Vezina to be very problematic, because with only 30 voters there is considerably more potential for bias and vendettas to affect the final result.

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06-22-2011, 10:47 PM
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You are always going to have personal biases come into play, and local writers throwing 5th place votes to local players as "rewards" and whatnot. The reason this isn't such a big deal is because there are so many voters that the weird/token/dumb votes mostly get drowned out by the volume, and so the final results display regression towards the mean.

For this reason, I find having the GMs vote on the Vezina to be very problematic, because with only 30 voters there is considerably more potential for bias and vendettas to affect the final result.
It is pretty crazy to see four GMs snub Rinne and Thomas...there's almost no reasoning you could provide me for that...

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06-22-2011, 10:54 PM
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It is pretty crazy to see four GMs snub Rinne and Thomas...there's almost no reasoning you could provide me for that...
There really is no defendable answer to why they were left off 4 ballots.

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There really is no defendable answer to why they were left off 4 ballots.
The one that's easy to see is the 2nd place vote for Cam Ward..

I suppose the logic is he started the most games and saved 200 more shots than the next goalie...

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It is pretty crazy to see four GMs snub Rinne and Thomas...there's almost no reasoning you could provide me for that...
The reasoning is that it was an extremely good year for goaltending with Thomas, Rinne, Luongo, Lundqvist, and Price all having amazing years. I don't think the gap between the five was that huge, though I did think Thomas was clearcut #1 as did the majority of GMs.

The GMs, unlike the media and Internet posters, are not susceptable to groupthink, which has it's benefits and drawbacks. When was the last time a goalie got more than 17/30 first place votes?

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06-22-2011, 11:03 PM
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The reasoning is that it was an extremely good year for goaltending with Thomas, Rinne, Luongo, Lundqvist, and Price all having amazing years. I don't think the gap between the five was that huge, though I did think Thomas was clearcut #1 as did the majority of GMs.

The GMs, unlike the media and Internet posters, are not susceptable to groupthink, which has it's benefits and drawbacks. When was the last time a goalie got more than 17/30 first place votes?
Miller had 23 last year
Thomas had 22 in 2009
Kipper had 25 in 2006
Brodeur had 24 in 2003

Not too uncommon...

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Miller had 23 last year
Thomas had 22 in 2009
Kipper had 25 in 2006
Brodeur had 24 in 2003

Not too uncommon...
Ha, oops. Probably could have checked... In this very thread! For some reason, I thought there had been no real landslides since Kipper won. Strange to see Thomas getting more 1st place votes in 2009, but I guess that was a really weak year for goaltending

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06-22-2011, 11:12 PM
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Pnep has the all-star team votes nicely compiled in a thread on the mainboard, he or someone else should bring that over to this thread.

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06-22-2011, 11:53 PM
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The reasoning is that it was an extremely good year for goaltending with Thomas, Rinne, Luongo, Lundqvist, and Price all having amazing years. I don't think the gap between the five was that huge, though I did think Thomas was clearcut #1 as did the majority of GMs.

The GMs, unlike the media and Internet posters, are not susceptable to groupthink, which has it's benefits and drawbacks. When was the last time a goalie got more than 17/30 first place votes?
i'd add fleury to that list, and he barely got a sniff of the vezina vote. but with six really great seasons to choose from, that happening to one of them is probably more of a statistically probable outcome than him getting robbed.

which of course is not to say that putting antti niemi on your ballot is in any defensible.

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this is the best thing about the voting results:

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2010-2011 NHL ALL-STAR TEAM VOTING RESULTS

LEFT WING

#PlayerTeamPts1st2nd3rd
1Daniel SedinVAN62912430
2Alex OvechkinWAS30919228
3Henrik ZetterbergDET12622153
4Patrick MarleauSJ230411
5Patrick SharpCHI200311
6Thomas VanekBUF190116
7Loui ErikssonDAL4004
8Martin St. LouisTB3010
8Henrik SedinVAN3010
8Steven StamkosTB3010
11Milan LucicBOS3003
12Bobby RyanANA1001
henrik sedin gets a second place all-star vote at left wing. okay, so somebody got the sedins mixed up. not the first time. but if you look closely, daniel was on every ballot. whoever gave henrik that second place vote also had daniel as their first place vote.

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Norris Trophy Voting
#PlayerTeamPTS1st2nd3rd4th5th
1Nicklas LidstromDET7363523341510
2Shea WeberNSH727324114148
Interesting to note that had these exact same votes been counted under the old 5-3-1 format that the NHL used up until 1996, Weber would be the Norris winner by a score of 297-278.

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From the 2010-11 NHL Trophy Voting Results Thread in National Hockey League Talk
2010-2011 NHL ALL-STAR TEAM VOTING RESULTS

LEFT WING

#PlayerTeamPts1st2nd3rd
1Daniel SedinVAN62912430
2Alex OvechkinWAS30919228
3Henrik ZetterbergDET12622153
4Patrick MarleauSJ230411
5Patrick SharpCHI200311
6Thomas VanekBUF190116
7Loui ErikssonDAL4004
8Martin St. LouisTB3010
8Henrik SedinVAN3010
8Steven StamkosTB3010
11Milan LucicBOS3003
12Bobby RyanANA1001

CENTER

#PlayerTeamPts1st2nd3rd
1Henrik SedinVAN53292233
2Steven StamkosTB294185830
3Jonathan ToewsCHI17072948
4Ryan KeslerVAN716914
5Sidney CrosbyPIT26325
6Brad RichardsDAL220410
7Ryan GetzlafANA15117
8Anze KopitarLA6013
9Eric StaalCAR4004
10Jeff CarterPHI2002
11Claude GirouxPHI1001

RIGHT WING

#PlayerTeamPts1st2nd3rd
1Corey PerryANA598111141
2Martin St. LouisTB363159115
3Jarome IginlaCGY13201781
4Teemu SelanneANA240121
5Claude GirouxPHI16118
6Ryan KeslerVAN3010
6Steven StamkosTB3010
6Chris StewartSTL3010
9Patrick KaneCHI1001

DEFENSE

#PlayerTeamPts1st2nd3rd
1Nicklas LidstromDET464605111
2Shea WeberNSH445673214
3Zdeno CharaBOS413544023
4Lubomir VisnovskyANA406474827
5Keith YandlePHO253164150
6Kris LetangPIT15062254
7Christian EhrhoffVAN400622
8Dustin ByfuglienATL381518
9Duncan KeithCHI23146
10Ryan SuterNSH11025
11Dan BoyleSJ8008
12Drew DoughtyLA7102
13Marc StaalNYR7014
14Matt CarlePHI6101
15Toni LydmanANA3010
15Brent SeabrookCHI3010
17Andrej MeszarosPHI3003
18Tobias EnstromATL2002
18Chris ProngerPHI2002
20Kevin BieksaVAN1001
20Dan HamhuisVAN1001

GOALTENDER

#PlayerTeamPts1st2nd3rd
1Tim ThomasBOS53692237
2Pekka RinneNSH270155724
3Roberto LuongoVAN11871538
4Carey PriceMTL8251318
5Henrik LundqvistNYR7741221
6Ilya BryzgalovPHO19135
7Marc-Andre FleuryPIT16118
8Ryan MillerBUF3010
9Cam WardCAR3003
10Antti NiemiSJ1001

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1954 all-star voting - Weighted Voting

I've seen reference to this before, but here is an explanation.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=dyk_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=a1AMAAAAIBAJ&pg=40 56,2295560&dq=kelly+all-star&hl=en

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Toronto, Detroit and Chicago, for example, each had three selectors, which is the minimum number of selectors per city, while New York and Boston had six selectors each and Montreal had 22.
It explains how Kelly can have 177 of a possible 180 points.

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Could we possibly move all the results to the first page of this thread? I use this thread frequently as a resource and it would be a huge time-saver to have all seasons in one place.

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Could we possibly move all the results to the first page of this thread? I use this thread frequently as a resource and it would be a huge time-saver to have all seasons in one place.
Globias is working on something even better right now.

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Complete award voting for 67-68 added.

1967-68
HART: (108-108)
1. Stan Mikita, Chi C 52 (34-18)
2. Jean Beliveau, Mtl C 43 (4-39)
3. Bobby Hull, Chi LW 32 (32-0)
4. Bobby Orr, Bos D 29 (29-0)
5. Gordie Howe, Det RW 16 (4-12)
6. Phil Esposito, Bos C 11 (0-11)
7. Ed Giacomin, NYR G 8 (0-8)
8. Glenn Hall, StL G 5 (1-4)
9. Jean Ratelle, NYR 4 (0-4)
T10. Bill White, LA D 3 (0-3)
T10. Rod Gilbert, NYR RW 3 (0-3)
T10. Ted Green, Bos D 3 (0-3)
13. Johnny Bower, Tor G 2 (2-0)
T14. Mike Walton, Tor C 1 (1-0)
T14. Johnny Bucyk, Bos LW 1 (1-0)
T14. J.C. Tremblay, Mtl D 1 (0-1)
T14. Red Berenson, StL LW 1 (0-1)
T14. Jim Neilson, NYR D 1 (0-1)
NORRIS: (108-108)
1. Bobby Orr, Bos 68 (56-12)
2. J.C. Tremblay, Mtl 31 (5-26)
3. Tim Horton, Tor 30 (22-8)
4. Jim Neilson, NYR 26 (0-26)
5. Jacques Laperriere, Mtl 15 (3-12)
6. Pierre Pilote, Chi 11 (11-0)
7. Bill White, LA 9 (1-8)
8. Mike McMahon, Min 8 (0-8)
9. Ted Green, Bos 6 (0-6)
10. Harry Howell, NYR 5 (3-2)
11. Gary Bergman, Det 4 (4-0)
T12. Pat Stapleton, Chi 1 (1-0)
T12. Ed Van Impe, Phi 1 (1-0)
T12. Kent Douglas, Oak-Det 1 (1-0)
CALDER: (108-108)
1. Derek Sanderson, Bos C 92 (50-42)
2. Jacques Lemaire, Mtl C 41 (10-31)
3. Doug Favell, Phi G 36 (28-8)
4. Bill Flett, LA RW 10 (0-10)
5. Les Binkley, Pit G 8 (4-4)
6. Bill White, LA D 6 (3-3)
7. Andre Boudrias, Min C 5 (0-5)
T8. Garry Jarrett, Det LW 4 (3-1)
T8. Rogie Vachon, Mtl G 4 (0-4)
T10. Dale Rolfe, LA D 3 (3-0)
T10. Art Stratton, Pit-Phi C 3 (3-0)
12. Bart Crashley, Det D 2 (2-0)
T13. Ed Hoekstra, Phi C 1 (1-0)
T13. Seth Martin, StL G 1 (1-0)
LADY BYNG: (108-108)
1. Stan Mikita, Chi C 72 (41-31)
2. John Bucyk, Bos LW 52 (39-13)
3. Rod Gilbert, NYR RW 20 (0-20)
4. Jean Ratelle, NYR C 12 (0-12)
5. Phil Esposito, Bos C 11 (4-7)
6. J.C. Tremblay, Mtl D 10 (1-9)
T7. Phil Goyette, NYR C 9 (4-5)
T7. Bobby Hull, Chi LW 9 (9-0)
9. Fred Stanfield, Bos C 6 (6-0)
T10. Norm Ullman, Det-Tor C 5 (0-5)
T10. Don Marshall, NYR LW 5 (0-5)
12. Gilles Tremblay, Mtl LW 4 (3-1)
13. Mike Walton, Tor C 1 (1-0)

1967-68 voting by 12 NHL coaches.

Mid-Season Voting

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Added a bunch of stuff to the 50s and 60s. We now have complete Norris voting from 58 to 69.

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I wish new stuff would get put in a new post, too.

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Me too, BM67, how did you consolidate your info? Do you have excel files?

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No, I have it in a word file, which it seems I've been neglecting for quite a while.

I don't think the 66-67 all-stars are in here anywhere.

Goaltender: (324/324, 162-162) Ed Giacomin, NYR 149 (90-59); Glenn Hall, Chi 62 (27-35); Denis DeJordy, Chi 55 (0-55); Charlie Hodge, Mtl 34 (34-0); Terry Sawchuk, Tor 9 (5-4); Roger Crozier, Det 7 (5-2); Rogie Vachon, Mtl 5 (0-5); Ed Johnston, Bos 2 (1-1); Johnny Bower, Tor 1 (0-1)
Defence: (648/648, 324-324) Pierre Pilote, Chi 156 (70-86); Harry Howell, NYR 147 (90-57); Tim Horton, Tor 94 (53-41); Bobby Orr, Bos 89 (31-58); J.C. Tremblay, Mtl 39 (8-31); Terry Harper, Mtl 27 (24-3); Doug Jarrett, Chi 24 (4-20); Pat Stapleton, Chi 16 (4-12); Jacques Laperriere; Mtl 12 (12-0); Gary Bergman, Det 9 (0-9); Arnie Brown, NYR 8 (8-0); Ed Van Impe, Chi 6 (6-0); Leo Boivin, Det 6 (3-3); Jim Neilson, NYR 5 (5-0); Gilles Marotte, Bos 5 (3-2); Joe Watson, Bos 4 (3-1); Bob Baun, Tor 1 (0-1)
Center: (324/324, 162-162) Stan Mikita, Chi 180 (90-90); Norm Ullman, Det 62 (31-31); Phil Goyette, NYR 42 (28-14); Henri Richard, Mtl 20 (0-20); Red Kelly, Tor 9 (9-0); Phil Esposito, Chi 6 (0-6); Dave Keon, Tor 4 (3-1); Pit Martin, Bos 1 (1-0)
Right Wing: (324/324, 162-162) Ken Wharram, Chi 117 (53-64); Gordie Howe, Det 96 (25-71); Rod Gilbert, NYR 87 (80-7); Bobby Rousseau, Mtl 16 (3-13); Bruce MacGregor, Det 4 (0-4); Bob Nevin, NYR 2 (0-2); Bernie Geoffrion, NYR 1 (1-0); Ron Ellis, Tor 1 (0-1)
Left Wing: (324/324, 162-162) Bobby Hull, Chi 174 (84-90); Don Marshall, NYR 59 (54-5); Doug Mohns, Chi 46 (1-45); Frank Mahovlich, Tor 11 (6-5); Alex Delvecchio, Det 7 (4-3); Paul Henderson, Det 5 (4-1); Bob Pulford, Tor 5 (0-5); Dennis Hull, Chi 4 (4-0); John Bucyk, Bos 4 (1-3); Reg Fleming 3 (3-0); Dean Prentice, Det 3 (0-3); Dick Duff, Mtl 1 (1-0); Vic Hadfield, NYR 1 (0-1); John Ferguson, Mtl 1 (0-1)

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