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All-Star Team Voting for 1937-38

This is from the Globe & Mail (Tuesday, March 29, 1938, page 14). There were 31 voters this year.

The biggest story was the tie between Cecil Dillon and Gordie Drillon, who were tied in voting for the RW position. They were each awarded a tied berth on the first and second team. The newspaper notes that Dillon's "greater backchecking ability" probably forced the tie, considering Drillon's edge in scoring. Given that Drillon led the league in goals and points, and outscored Dillon by 33%, Dillon must have been an amazing defensive player (or Drillon a very poor one).

It is noted that last year's Detroit all-stars fared poorly in the voting. Norm Smith, Ebbie Goodfellow, Larry Aurie and Jack Adams were "ignored in the voting". It's unclear if they received zero votes, or just a small number. Marty Barry finished 4th in voting for the centre position.

There was an interesting article (pg 15) suggesting that Eddie Shore didn't receive the respect or credit he deserves because he's very dirty and violent. They contrasted Shore with Morenz, Joliat and Boucher, who were clean and classy.

Later in the year (Tuesday, April 19, 1938, page 15), the paper announces that Shore wins the Hart. Surprisingly, they put almost as much emphasis on the Byng as they do the Hart. The paper states that Shore as MVP "will meet with general approval". They note that Thompson is more popular than Shore.

Centre: Cowley is named to the first team, Apps to the second. Cowley dominated the voting: "the majority of selectors considered only Cowley". He had a good margin of victory: "Twice as many voted Cowley on to the first team as named Apps". I don't know who finished 3rd, but Marty Barry was 4th.

RW: As previously mentioned, Dillon and Drillon earned a tied berth on the first and second team. The newspaper says that they "were the only players named for right wing". (How many times in history has that happened?) Dillon had 16 first-team votes versus 15 for Drillon. The paper says that Drillon had 3 more second-team votes. Therefore first-team votes are probably worth 3 pts and second-team votes are probably worth 1 pt (this would give them a tie).

Interesting observation: under modern tie-breaking rules, Dillon would have been the first-team all-star and Drillon would have been the second-team all-star, because, while tied in point, Dillon has more first-place votes. However, under 1937-38 rules, it was a tie.

LW: Six players received votes but Paul Thompson "won out with a comfortable margin".

Toe Blake just barely earned a spot on the second team ("a narrow [close] decision"). Other players receiving votes were George Mantha, Lynn Patrick, Busher Jackson and Sweeney Schriner. Jackson "was not far behind the leaders" and Schriner recieved a "good [number of] votes".

Defense: Eddie Shore and Babe Siebert earn a spot on the first team. The newspaper gushes about how Shore utterly dominates his position. (He won his 4th career Hart trophy this year; only Howe and Gretzky won more). The paper states that "neither he [Siebert] nor Shore had serious opposition". Siebert was "almost unanimous".

Art Coulter (2nd team all-star) was far behind Shore for the 1st team position but was well ahead of Red Horner.

Earl Seibert earned the other spot on the 2nd team with a very weak vote. Babe Siebert earned almost all of the left defense votes; the remaining votes were split among 16 blueliners, and Earl Seibert had a "small vote", though, apparently, it was enough to win.

Goalies: The paper says that Tiny Thompson "had a comfortable margin" over Dave Kerr, his "only serious rival". Only Thompson and Kerr received votes for the first-team; based on the write-up it must have been something like 21-10 for Thompson.

Kerr earned a spot on the alternate team "without a struggle".


All-Star Team Voting for 1938-39

This is from the Globe & Mail (Monday, March 27, 1939, page 17). There were 34 voters this year.

The newspaper notes that Eddie Shore has earned 8 all-star spots in 9 years; all but one of those were on the first team. The paper notes that no player has done as well as Shore in all-star voting. Keep in mind that several stars (ie Morenz, Clancy, Lalonde, Boucher and Shore himself) have had all or part of their careers prior to 1931, when all-star voting began.

Unfortunately there are virtually no details this year. Frank Brimsek becomes the first rookie named to the first all-star goalie position. Shore and Clapper on the first team is "not surprising", but there was "spirited voting in favor of" Art Coulter, who made it to the second team. The paper noted that the first-team forward trio (Apps, Drillon and Hart-winner Blake) is solid ("You can't find any kick on that score"). Really, these are all the details that are available for 1938-39.

Interestingly, Toe Blake's Hart trophy receives virtually no coverage. (Wednesday, April 19, 1939, page 33). Toe Blake led the league in scoring despite the fact that Montreal finished 6th (out of 7). The newspaper (casually) mentions two reasons that Blake might have won. First, Blake scored a lot despite playing on a weak team (I think they were implying that Blake would have scored even more on a stronger team). Second, the newspaper credits Blake for keeping the Canadiens in contention all year long. (Then again, if 6 of 7 teams make the playoffs, and you're 7 pts ahead of last place, how crucial was Blake?)


All-Star Team Voting for 1939-40

This is from the Globe & Mail (Thursday, March 21, 1940, page 16). There were 28 voters this year.

Dave Kerr received more votes (27) than any player at any position. Given his dominance, it's surprising that Kerr isn't one of the top five players in Hart voting.

There appears to be a significant discrepancy in many sources regarding the first-team defense positions. Several sources (including Dan Diamond's "Total NHL" and the NHL Awards Media Guide) mistakenly list Eddie Shore as a first-team all-star in 1940. The newspaper (and some other websites I checked randomly) clearly list Dit Clapper and Ebbie Goodfellow as the two first-team defensemen this year. In fact, Eddie Shore played just 14 games in 1940.

The paper mentioned that Apps didn't make the team, probably due to injuries (he played in 27 of 44 games) but still were "mentioned frequently" in the voting. Drillon was "mentioned frequently" too, but they noted a "slip in the play of Drillon". That comment doesn't really make sense. In 1939, Drillon scored 34 pts (16th in the league) and he was voted to the first team. In 1940, Drillon scored 40 pts (4th in the league). Was he really bad defensively this year?

Schmidt earns a spot on the first team and Dumart and Bauer earn positions on the second team. They finished 1-2-3 in scoring. The "Sauerkraut line" is named one of the greatest lines in history.

Centers: Schmidt is named to the first team. He is described as the driving force behind Boston's "dazzling parade of plays". Schmidt, who led the league in scoring, is described as the league's most improved player, and greatly enhanced his skating speed in 1940. Neil Colville was named to the second team. Apps recieved some votes, too.

LW: This was the closest vote of the season. Toe Blake beat Woody Dumart for the first-team LW position "by a single vote". (Dumart is therefore on the second team). The paper notes that Toe Blake is a "speedball" who is willing to play hard, even though he was on a last-place team.

RW: Hextall, the league's leading goal-scorer, is the first team RW and Bauer is on the second team. Drillon receives some votes.

Defense: The first-team defensemen are Clapper and Goodfellow. Clapper was elected to the 1st team by a "tremendous vote". Seibert and Coulter are named to the second team.

The second closest race of the year is Earl Seibert vs. Ott Heller for the 2nd defense position. Seibert narrowly wins.

Goalies: Dave Kerr dominated the voting. He was named as the first-team goalie by 25 writers and the second-team goalie by 2 more writers. (Only 1 writer didn't pick him).

Frank Brimsek was named to the second team. "It wasn't that Brimsek's goaltending
slipped [from last year, when he was a first-team goalie], but that Kerr was so hot".

Coach Paul Thompson is credited for turning the Blackhawks franchise around. He receives a glowing write-up and, based on what the newspaper said, this could have been one of the best coaching performances of all time.


All-Star Team Voting for 1940-41

This is from the Globe & Mail (Friday, March 21, 1941, page 17). There were 30 voters this year.

Bill Cowley wins the Hart and leads the league in scoring by a huge margin. He becomes the first player in NHL history to have more assists than anyone else has points.

Toronto and Boston dominates the voting, earning 9 of 12 positions.

Dit Clapper (29 votes) and Sweeney Schriner (23 or 25 votes, I can't read the print) earned the most votes.

Centres: Bill Cowley is named to the first team and Syl Apps is on the second. Cowley had 20 votes versus 10 for Apps (I think these are first-team votes). A few days later in the newspaper, Cooney Weiland (Boston's coach, named to the first team) said he prefers Apps over Cowley because the former is "a little better backchecker".

LW: Sweeney Schriner earned 23 or 25 votes (I can't read it clearly) and left the 2nd team LW, Woody Dumart, far behind, with 3 or 5 votes.

RW: Hextall leads the league in goals for the 2nd year in a row. Hextall (13 votes, or maybe 15, I can't tell) earns a spot on the first team over Bobby Bauer (10 votes).

Defense: Dit Clapper received 29 votes (out of 30). He and Wally Stanowski were named to the first team. The newspaper commends Stanowski for his rapid rise to success. Seibert and Heller earn a spot on the second team. Ebbie Goodfellow and Bingo Kaufman (who?) were also contenders for the second team, but Seibert and Heller made it "without too tight a squeeze".

Goalies: Turk Broda, named the "Ugly Duckling", is named to the first team. "Only Frank Brimsek gave him competition". Brimsek made the second team. The newspaper commends Broda for working hard for many years and improving himself from a mediocre to star goalie.


All-Star Team Voting for 1941-42

This is from the Globe & Mail (Tuesday, April 7, 1942 , page 13). There were 30 voters this year. The Globe notes that the voting was done later than in previous years.

Lynn Patrick (29 votes) received the most support of any player.

Centre: Syl Apps dominates with 20 first-place votes. Phil Watson has 9 first-place votes (and earns a spot on the second team) while Don Grosso received the last first-place vote. The paper notes that Apps' competition is weaker because Schmidt is in the Air Force and Schmidt was injured all year.

LW: Lynn Patrick dominates; he earned 29 first place votes, with the remaining vote going to Sid (they spell it "Syd") Abel. Abel had 10 second-place votes versus 7 for Toe Blake and 5 for Red Hamill.

RW: Hextall led the league in scoring and was "easily" named to the first team with 26 first-place votes. It was his third straight first all-star berth. Gordie Drillon got 2 first-place votes and 17 second-team votes. (The last 2 first-place votes are unaccounted for).

Defense: Tommy Anderson (who would win the Hart trophy) and Earl Seibert earned a spot on the first team. The writers spread their votes around "in almost equal numbers" between Bucko McDonald and Pat Egan (who made the 2nd team) and Dit Clapper and Johnny Crawford (who got nothing).

It was Anderson's first year as a defensemen, even though he was a 10-year veteran as a forward. He scored 41 pts (8th in the league in scoring) and set an all-time record for defensemen. He earned 12 first-team votes and 12 more second-team votes.

Goalies: Brimsek is on the first team, Broda on the second. No further details.

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If you're interested in reading about the 1941-42 in detail, please read page 14 of the Saturday, March 21, 1942 edition of the Globe. They ask exactly 100 players (which, in those days, is probably 80% of the league) to vote on their all-stars. The final results are quite similar to the official all-star team (and the first teams match perfectly), but the newspaper provides a large amount of fascinating discussion and analysis.

The players with the most votes, as selected by their peers, were Brimsek, Hextall and Patrick, with 71 votes each, and Apps next at 50 votes. (All of these players were first-team all-stars on the official team).

The players voted for Bobby Bauer who was now a member of the Air Force. One player in Detroit voted for five of his teammates on the first team.

The differences between the players' team and the official team aren't very significant, except for Bucko McDonald. McDonald is elected to the official 2nd all-star team; the paper lists 10 blueliners receiving votes by the players and McDonald isn't listed there at all. I have no idea why this significant discrepancy occurs, but the players clearly weren't impressed by McDonald this year.

The article also analyzes team-by-team voting patterns. As you'd expect, many players voted heavily for their teammates, even if they weren't deserving. There's also a lot of bias; some players wouldn't vote for former teammates and others wouldn't vote for rivals. I'm sure that this plays a role in the modern-day Pearson balloting.


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All-Star Team Voting for 1942-43

This is from the Globe & Mail (Wednesday, April 7, 1943 , page 17). There were 30 voters this year.

Centres: Bill Cowley was the "predominant choice" for the first team spot. Syl Apps made it to the second team despite missing almost half the year due to injury.

LW: Doug Bentley led the league in scoring and was named to the first team. Lynn Patrick is on the second team.

RW: Lorne Carr was named to the first team and Bryan Hextall was named to the second team. Strangely, Joe Benoit (2nd in the league in goals) had more first-place votes than any other player at his position (he 11, Carr had 9). However, Benoit must have received very few votes for the second-team, since, due to weighted voting, Carr made the first team and Hextall made the second team. It was extremely close: Hextall had 104 points versus 103 1/3 for Carr. (How is 1/3 of a vote possible? I don't know). So Benoit must have been a love or hate kind of player.

Defense: Seibert and Stewart are on the first team; Hollet and Crawford are on the second. Hollett set the single-season record for goals (19) and points (44) by a defenseman. Stewart is the "leading choice" at left defense.

Goalies: Mowers is on the first team, Brimsek is on the second team.

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Jim Coleman wrote an interesting column in the Wednesday, March 17, 1943 edition of the Globe (page 16). He suggests that the league's leading scorer should get a trophy; in actuality, the Art Ross was first awarded in 1947-48. Coleman says it's ridiculous for a player to lead the league in scoring and get nothing. (Personally, I like the idea of the Art Ross, but it's still a statistical award. A player that leads the league in scoring has done so whether or not he receives an actual trophy).

Coleman also suggests that the NHL should have an annual award ceremony for giving out its trophies. He tells us that Roy Worters, who won the Hart in 1929 "doesn't know if the [Hart] trophy exists"!

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Just like last year, the Globe & Mail surveyed players (this time 83) and asked them to name their all-star teams. The newspaper learned from its mistake last year and prevented players from voting for their own teammates. The results are very similar to the NHL's official team. See page 15 of the Saturday, March 20, 1943 edition of the G&M for more details.

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Bill Cowley wins the Hart trophy with 94 of a possible 120 votes (Thursday, April 8, 1943; page 17). This season, there are twelve voters (two per NHL city). Each writer gets 10 votes. A first-place vote is worth 10 points, a second-place vote is worth 9 points, etc. He becomes the 4th multiple-Hart winner in history (Shore, Morenz, Stewart).

The other finalists were Doug Bentley (67 votes), Syd Howe and Syl Apps (46 votes each) and Frank Brimsek (40 votes). Thus 293 of 660 total votes are accounted for.



All-Star Team Voting for 1943-44

This is from the Globe & Mail (Saturday, April 8, 1944, page 15). There were 28 voters this year, and a maximum possible vote total of 756 points per position. There is "equal voting power" in each NHL city.

Bill Durnan was a unanimous selection (756 pts; 100.0%). Babe Pratt, the Hart trophy winner, earned 674 pts (89.2%) and Earl Seibert earned 612 pts (81.0%).

The first-team forwards were the same as last year's.

Centre: Cowley earns a spot on the first team. Note that he finished 7th in the league in scoring despite missing a third of the schedule. Cowley was on pace for 99 points, which would have shattered the previous record. Elmer Lach earned a spot on the second team "by a wide margin".

LW: Doug Bentley was on the first team and leading scorer Herb Cain was "easily" the 2nd team left-winger.

RW: Lorne Carr earns a spot on the first team. Rocket Richard barely beats out Bill Mosienko (by 3 points) for the 2nd RW spot.

Defense: Babe Pratt, the Hart winner, earned 674 points while Earl Seibert earned 612 points. They both earned a spot on the first team. Pratt sets a new record for defensemen with 40 assists and 57 points. Emile "Butch" Bouchard was an easy choice for the 2nd team. Dit Clapper also received a spot on the 2nd team but narrowly beat out Flash Hollett.

Goalies: Bill Durnan received a unanimous spot on the first team, earning 756 points. Paul Bibeault was an "easy choice" on the second team.

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The Globe did a poll of NHL managers for the all-star team (Thursday, March 30, 1944, page 15). The results are almost identical to the official all-star team.

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There was a write-up about the Hart trophy on Tuesday, April 11, 1944 (page 15). Babe Pratt beats Cowly 87-84 in the voting. (They appear to use the same twelve-man 10-point voting system as last year). Doug Bentley (55) was third.

There is a discrepancy. According to this website, and the NHL Awards & Media Guide Earl Seibert and Lorne Carr have 52 and 45 votes, respectively. The newspaper states that they have 45 and 42, respectively. The next finalists were Carl Liscombe, Bill Durnan, Herb Cain, Bryan Hextall and Clint Smith (vote totals not provided).

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Raleh, you might be interested to know that Elmer Lach was named one of the most underrated players in the league in one of these articles. I forgot the exact sources, though. So he was underrated then and underrated now.



All-Star Team Voting for 1944-45

This is from the Globe & Mail (Friday, April 6, 1945, page 15). There were 28 voters this year.

The Canadiens dominated the regular season standings (80 pts compared to Detroit's 67), the scoring race (Lach-Richard-Blake finished 1-2-3) and had 6 of 7 first-team all-stars. They lost in the first round to the Leafs.

I have virtually no details about the voting this year.

Bill Durnan is "being compared to some of the game's goaltending greats" already, and it's only his second season. Syd Howe (no relation to Gordie) surpassed Nels Stewart as the league's all-time scorer (unadjusted of course).

Rocket Richard scored 50 goals in 50 games this year. One column (Wednesday, March 21, 1945, page 14) notes that while this is a new record in the most literal sense, Joe Malone's 44 goals in 22 games was a much better pace. This might be why Richard didn't win the Hart in 1945. I think Richard's 50-in-50 has become a bit overrated over time; his 45 goals in 1947 (in a lower-scoring, higher quality league) was much more impressive in my mind.


All-Star Team Voting for 1945-46

Unfortunately, I can't find anything about all-star voting for this year. I can't even find a basic article where they announce the winners.

There was an article about Max Bentley's Hart trophy win (Saturday, March 30, 1946, page 17) but there are few details. They mention that he led the league in points in a low-scoring league.

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That's it for now. I'm stopping here because the NHL Awards media guide has (at least partial) voting results for the all-star teams from 1947-present.

This has been a fun exercise. I have a greater appreciation for the extent to which all-time greats like Shore and Morenz dominated. At the same time, it made me realize just how many great players there were in the NHL in the 1930s and 1940s. There were dozens of stars that could skate, shoot and check and could be an all-star candidate each year... just like today.


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Excellent job digging up this stuff

Especially interesting to hear about how Shore was viewed at the time.

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The biggest story was the tie between Cecil Dillon and Gordie Drillon, who were tied in voting for the RW position. They were each awarded a tied berth on the first and second team. The newspaper notes that Dillon's "greater backchecking ability" probably forced the tie, considering Drillon's edge in scoring. Given that Drillon led the league in goals and points, and outscored Dillon by 33%, Dillon must have been an amazing defensive player (or Drillon a very poor one).
The book Ultimate Hockey lists the worst defensive forward of each decade, and gives the "honour" to Gordie Drillon for the 1940s. It said he was "a lazy player who didn't care much for back-checking, who was only tolerated by Leaf coach Hap Day because of how he clicked offensively with Syl Apps on the top line".

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Excellent work, some facinating reads

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Excellent job digging up this stuff

Especially interesting to hear about how Shore was viewed at the time.



The book Ultimate Hockey lists the worst defensive forward of each decade, and gives the "honour" to Gordie Drillon for the 1940s. It said he was "a lazy player who didn't care much for back-checking, who was only tolerated by Leaf coach Hap Day because of how he clicked offensively with Syl Apps on the top line".
And even then, Day eventually ran him off the team. How bad was he, when the Leafs came back from being down 3-0 in the finals, Drillon was benched for the last 4 games.

I think Dillon may be one of the most underrated players ever.

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All-Star Team Voting for 1933-34

Source: Tuesday, March 20, 1934; Globe & Mail, page 11

The paper almost writes as if there are two seperate scoring races for the Canadian and American divisions. Does anybody know how balanced the NHL schedule was back in the 1930s?
It appears to have been a balanced schedule with 6 games vs each of the other 8 teams for the 33-34 season. With a 10 team league and a 44 game schedule in 30-31 it was split 6 in div/4 out of div. In 35-36 with 8 teams and 48 games it was split 8 in div/6 out of div. In 38-39 with 7 team with no divisions and 48 games it was again a balanced 8 games vs each team.

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I didn't see the All-Star Team voting for 1982-83 listed above, so here they are (source: The Hockey News 1983 Yearbook).

EDIT: never mind. I just re-typed the 1981-82 voting totals. I hate how the Hockey News prints their titles with things such as "1982-83 Statistical Review" when it's really the 1981-82 statistics.


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Don Edwards 40 (5-6-5)
The Yearbook lists Edwards this way, however the totals can't add up. If you give Edwards 5-2-9 that's a total of 40 and gives each ordinal 63 total votes. So my guess is that he was 5-2-9 for 40 points.

EDIT: And I see that this has already been taken care of. Good call!

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In 1938-39 and 1939-40 it is note that Earl Robinson, a center/right wing playing for the New York Americans, finished 4th and 5th in Hart voting. However, I cannot find any trace of a Earl Robinson playing with the Americans, just the one who was playing for the Hawks and Habs in those same 2 years. Meanwhile, the Americans goalie was Earl Robertson, and while there's similarities in names, the nominated guy is still list as a forward.

The NHL list no other players named Earl Robinson.

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You are correct. It most likely is Earl Robertson, as he was a 2nd team all-star in 39.
Hockey Outsider did you see anything in the Globe & Mail to confirm that Earl Robertson, NYA G was the player that finished 4th and 5th in the 39 & 40 Hart voting?

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Hockey Outsider did you see anything in the Globe & Mail to confirm that Earl Robertson, NYA G was the player that finished 4th and 5th in the 39 & 40 Hart voting?
Unfortunately the Globe & Mail doesn't help us in solving this mystery.

For 1939, they only list the players that finished 2nd and 3rd (Apps and Gottselig, respectively). (Wednesday, April 19, 1939, page 33).

Same thing applies for 1940. They tell us that Apps and Clapper finish 2nd and 3rd respectively, but we have no details beyond that. (Wednesday, April 17, 1940, page 14).

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I have added the complete Norris voting for 1966-67, Orrs rookie year, to post 103. We had only the top 5 before now.

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Here's two images to transcribe for the 1971-72 and 1982-83 all star votes:

http://www.flyershistory.com/images/as-72.jpg
http://www.flyershistory.com/images/as-83.jpg

I can also give out dates where to look in the Globe and Mail and/or the Toronto Star to see if they have voting results:

May 17/68
May 9/69
May 22/70
May 29/71

(I don't have access to either one, but those are the newspaper dates to look for - the results were given out the day before)

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Date for the missing 77/78 all-star results would be June 14, 1978 (was released June 13th)

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The 68-69 All-star voting results:

http://www.flyershistory.com/images/as-69.jpg

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The 67-68 All-star voting results:

http://www.flyershistory.com/images/as-68.jpg

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Here's two images to transcribe for the 1971-72 and 1982-83 all star votes:

http://www.flyershistory.com/images/as-72.jpg
http://www.flyershistory.com/images/as-83.jpg

I can also give out dates where to look in the Globe and Mail and/or the Toronto Star to see if they have voting results:

May 17/68
May 9/69
May 22/70
May 29/71

(I don't have access to either one, but those are the newspaper dates to look for - the results were given out the day before)
Here's what I get from the 83 image:


GOALTENDER: (561) Pete Peeters 309; Rollie Melanson 79; Murray Bannerman 39; Glenn Resch 35; Andy Moog 28; Pelle Lindbergh 24; Billy Smith 17; Richard Brodeur 14; Rejean Lemelin 3; Mike Palmateer 3; Don Beaupre 3; Bob Sauve 2; Al Jensen 2; Tony Esposito 2; Gilles Meloche 1
DEFENSE: (1134) Mark Howe 262; Rod Langway 228; Ray Bourque 218; Paul Coffey 111; Doug Wilson 96; Denis Potvin 38; Mike O’Connell 33; Charlie Huddy 27; Dave Babych 20; Paul Reinhart (19); Larry Robinson 14; Gordie Roberts 10; Borje Salming 10; Phil Housley 8; Mike Milbury 7; Mike Ramsey 6; Barry Beck 5; Craig Hartsburg 4; Reijo Ruotsalainen 3; Tomas Jonsson 3; Brad Park 3; Brian Engblom 3; Dave Langevin 3; Reed Larson 1; Bob Murray 1; Curt Giles 1
CENTER: (567) Wayne Gretzky 307; Denis Savard 148; Peter Stastny 75; Barry Pederson 18; Marcel Dionne 15; Bobby Clarke 4
LEFT WING: (567) Mark Messier 254; Michel Goulet 162; Al Secord 115; Brian Sutter 15; Darcy Rota 7; John Tonelli 4; Jari Kurri 3; John Ogrodnick 3; Ryan Walter 1; Mats Naslund 1; Tony McKegney 1; Brian Propp 1
RIGHT WING: (567) Mike Bossy (243); Lanny McDonald 207; Rick Middleton 67; Glenn Anderson 26; Jari Kurri 19; Rick Vaive 2; Mike Gartner 1; Stan Smyl 1; Steve Larmer 1

Results from The Phoenix

The second source still leaves us missing 6 points of voting for the goalies.


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Very interesting that Howe has a rather substantial lead over Langway in the All-Star voting, but Langway got the Norris. Similar situation two seasons earlier with Potvin and Carlyle.

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This is the 71-72 all-star voting:

GOALTENDER: (378) Tony Esposito 161; Ken Dryden 135; Gerry Cheevers 28; Lorne Worsley 19; Gilles Villemure 14; Roger Crozier 12; Bernie Parent 5; Ed Giacomin 4
DEFENSE: (756) Bobby Orr 208; Brad Park 194; Bill White 95; Pat Stapleton 86; J.C. Tremblay 75; Dallas Smith 17; Ted Harris 13; Garry Bergman 8; Rod Seiling 8; Carol Vadnais 7; Tom Reid 7; Guy LaPointe 6; Barry Gibbs 5; Jim Neilson 4; Dick Redmond 4; Jim McKenny 3; Doug Mohns 3; Barclay Plager 3; Gilles Marotte 2; Dale Tallon 2; Jacques Laperriere 2; Don Awrey 1; Jocelyn Guevremont 1; Dave Burrows 1; Darryl Edestrand 1
CENTER: (378) Phil Esposito 208; Jean Ratelle 116; Bobby Clarke 29; Gil Perreault 11; Garry Unger 5; Stan Mikita 4; Pit Martin 3; Fred Stanfield 1; Marcel Dionne 1
RIGHT WING: (378) Rod Gilbert 165; Yvan Cournoyer 137; Mickey Redmond 29; Bill Goldsworthy 26; John McKenzie 9; Rick Martin 5; Ken Hodge 4; Jean Pronovost 2; Gary Sabourin 1
LEFT WING: (378) Bobby Hull 158; Vic Hadfield 145; Frank Mahovlich 64; Rick Martin 10; Johnny Bucyk 1

Everything adds up.


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The 68-69 All-star voting results:

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GOALTENDER: (324) Glenn Hall 115; Ed Giacomin 102; Jacques Plante 61; Bernie Parent 30; Gerry Cheevers 9; Lorne Worsley 4; Bruce Gamble 3
DEFENSE: (648) Bobby Orr 176; Tim Horton 123; Ted Green 77; Ted Harris 67; Al Arbour 52; Jim Neilson 47; Bill White 28; J.C. Tremblay 18; Carol Vadnais 16; Jacques Laperriere 11; Bob Baun 10; Pat Stapleton 7; Barclay Plager 3; Brad Park 3; Garry Bergman 2; Ed Van Impe 2; Noel Picard 2; Arnie Brown 1; Bert Marshall 1; Dallas Smith 1; Doug Harvey 1
CENTER: (224) Phil Esposito (1)74; Jean Beliveau 66; Red Berenson 43; Stan Mikita 20; Norm Ullman 12; Alex Delvecchio 3; Jean Ratelle 3; Ted Hampson 2; Dave Keon 1
RIGHT WING: (324) Gordie Howe 174; Yvan Cournoyer 83; Ken Hodge 59; Rod Gilbert 2; Bob Nevin 2; John McKenzie 1; Claude Larose 1; Ken Schinkel 1; Gary Sabourin 1
LEFT WING: (324) Bobby Hull 175; Frank Mahovlich 108; Vic Hadfield 17; Danny Grant 10; Bill McCreary 3; Yvan Cournoyer 2; John Ferguson 2; Paul Henderson 2; Johnny Bucyk 2; Jacques Lemaire 1; Norm Ferguson 1; Dennis Hull 1

It adds up with the exception of Phil Esposito missing 100 points in the paper. The NHL Awards Media Guide file lists him as 174.

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The 70-71 All-star voting results:

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The 69-70 All-star voting results:

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The 67-68 All-star voting results:

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This one was pretty hard to read.

With the help of these it now all adds up.

First Half All-Stars

Final Vote Totals

GOALTENDER: (216/216, 108-108) Lorne Worsley 55 (24-31); Ed Giacomin 41 (5-36); Johnny Bower 30 (26-4); Glenn Hall 24 (11-13); Bernie Parent 16 (15-1); Doug Favell 15 (8-7); Dennis DeJordy 13 (13-0); Les Binkley 8 (1-7); Rogie Vachon 4 (0-4); Charlie Hodge 3 (3-0); Terry Sawchuk 3 (0-3); Cesare Maniago 2 (1-1); Wayne Rutledge 1 (1-0); Gerry Cheevers 1 (0-1)
DEFENSE: (432/432, 216-216) Bobby Orr 77 (60-17); Tim Horton 53 (40-13); J.C. Tremblay 52 (14-38); Jim Neilson 44 (3-41); Pierre Pilote 31 (31-0); Ted Green 30 (3-27); Jacques Laperriere 28 (7-21); Garry Bergman 26 (17-9); Bill White 18 (3-15); Ed Van Impe 15 (7-8); Harry Howell 12 (6-6); Mike McMahon 11 (0-11); Pat Stapleton 8 (8-0); Doug Jarrett 6 (5-1); Gilles Marotte 5 (0-5); Terry Harper 4 (0-4); Kent Douglas 3 (3-0); Dallas Smith 3 (3-0); Dale Rolfe 3 (3-0); Joe Watson 1 (1-0); Bob Woytowich 1 (1-0); Bob Wall 1 (1-0)
CENTER: (216/216, 108-108) Stan Mikita 96 (60-36); Phil Esposito 38 (14-24); Jean Beliveau 28 (3-25); Jean Ratelle 21 (0-21); Mike Walton 15 (15-0); Fred Stanfield 5 (5-0); Norm Ullman 5 (4-1); Phil Goyette 5 (4-1); Alex Delvecchio 3 (3-0)
RIGHT WING: (216/216, 108-108) Gordie Howe 118 (58-60); Rod Gilbert 36 (4-32); John McKenzie 25 (23-2); Ken Wharram 24 (20-4); Bob Nevin 6 (1-5); Wayne Connelly 4 (0-4); Ron Ellis 1 (1-0); Leon Rochefort 1 (1-0); Bill Flett 1 (0-1)
LEFT WING: (216/216, 108-108) Bobby Hull 118 (60-58); Johnny Bucyk 59 (34-25); Gilles Tremblay 14 (0-14); Doug Mohns 11 (9-2); Vic Hadfield 4 (4-0); Don Marshall 4 (0-4); Alex Delvecchio 2 (1-1); Ab McDonald 1 (0-1); Frank Mahovlich 1 (0-1); Wayne Connelly 1 (0-1); J.P. Parise 1(0-1)


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The 70-71 All-star voting results:

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ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (378) Ed Giacomin 157; Jacques Plante 111; Tony Esposito 75; Gilles Villemure 18; Ed Johnstone 11; Gary Smith 1; Cesare Maniago 1; Bernie Parent 1; Gerry Desjardins 1; Glenn Hall 1; Lorne Worsley 1

DEFENSE: (756) Bobby Orr 210; J.C. Tremblay 121; Brad Park 121; Pat Stapleton 58; Keith Magnuson 49; Dallas Smith 38; Bill White 38; Bob Baun 27; Jim Neilson 26; Rod Seiling 21; Ted Harris 17; Garry Bergman 5; Jacques Laperriere 5; Jim Roberts 4; Tim Horton 4; Dale Tallon 3; Don Awrey 1; Guy LaPointe 1; Mike Pelyk 1; Bob Plager 1; Terry Harper 1; Larry Hale 1; Barclay Plager 1; Doug Barrie 1; Barry Gibbs 1
CENTER: (378) Phil Esposito 210; Dave Keon 76; Norm Ullman 42; Jean Beliveau 14; Stan Mikita 10; Bobby Clarke 6; Gil Perreault 6; Pete Mahovlich 4; Jean Ratelle 3; Derek Sanderson 2; Walk Tkaczuk 2; Jude Drouin 2; Fred Stanfield 1
RIGHT WING: (378) Ken Hodge 198; Yvan Cournoyer 79; John McKenzie 65; Bill Goldsworthy 22; Chico Maki 3; Gordie Howe 3; Rod Gilbert 3; Rosaire Paiement 3; Ron ellis 1; Tom Webster 1
LEFT WING: (378) Johnny Bucyk 178; Bobby Hull 149; Wayne Cashman 15; Dennis Hull 14; Frank Mahovlich 10; Pete Mahovlich 5; Dave Balon 5; Danny Grant 1; Gerry Meehan 1

This adds up.

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The 69-70 All-star voting results:

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GOALTENDER: (324) Tony Esposito 180; Ed Giacomin 81; Jacques Plante 28; Bernie Parent 9; Roy Edwards 9; Gerry Cheevers 6; Ernie Wakely 6; Rogie Vachon 3; Gary Smith 2
DEFENSE: (648) Bobby Orr 180; Brad Park 134; Carl Brewer 58; Jacques Laperriere 57; Al Arbour 39; Jim Neilson 30; Pat Stapleton 28; Keith Magnuson 23; Barclay Plager 20; Doug Mohns 12; Doug Jarrett 9; Serge Savard 9; Garry Bergman 9; Larry Hillman 7; Wayne Connelly 5; Bob Baun 4; Carol Vadnais 3; Bill White 3; Rod Seiling 3; Arnie Brown 3; Terry Harper 3; Harry Howell 3; Bob Woytowich 2; Bill Collins 1; Jim Roberts 1; Jim Morrison 1; Don Awrey 1
CENTER: (324) Phil Esposito 139; Stan Mikita 131; Walk Tkaczuk 15; Phil Goyette 12; Garry Unger 11; Red Berenson 10; Jean Ratelle 2; Pit Martin 1; Tom Williams 1; Alex Delvecchio 1; Dave Keon 1
RIGHT WING: (324) Gordie Howe 158; John McKenzie 92; Bill Goldsworthy 39; Ron Ellis 14; Yvan Cournoyer 9; Ken Hodge 5; Frank St. Marseille 3; Jim Pappin 2; Jean Pronovost 1; Gary Sabourin 1
LEFT WING: (324) Bobby Hull 137; Frank Mahovlich 78; Johnny Bucyk 40; J.P. Parise 26; Dave Balon 23; Jacques Lemaire 7; Red Berenson 4; Dean Prentice 4; John Ferguson 3; Ross Lonsberry 1; Ab McDonald 1

This adds up.

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1972-73 All-Star voting: (The article says a unanimous vote would've been 240 pts)

Goalie: Ken Dryden 238, Tony Esposito 83, Gilles Villemure 42, Roy Edwards 21, Roger Crozier 13, Ed Giacomin 11, Cesare Maniago 7, Dave Dryden 5, Jim Rutherford 4, Rogie Vachon 3, Gilles Meloche 2, Phil Myre 1, Jacques Plante 1, Dan Bouchard 1

Defence: Bobby Orr 236, Guy LaPointe 125, Brad Park 118, Bill White 112, Jacques Laperriere 97, Serge Savard 41, Rod Seiling 28, Gary Bergman 21, Dallas Smith 19, Terry Harper 15, Barry Gibbs 11, Keith Magnuson 7, Pat Stapleton 5, Tim Horton 4, Gilles Marotte 4, Dave Burrows 4, Barclay Plager 3, Larry Johnstone 3, Dale Rolfe 2, Jim Schoenfeld 1, Don Awrey 1, Dale Tallon 1, Ted Harris 1, Ab Demarco 1, Jim McKenney 1

Centre: Phil Esposito 226, Bobby Clarke 133, Gil Perreault 21, Jacques Lemaire 16, Jean Ratelle 12, Rick MacLeish 12, Stan Mikita 8 (??), Pit Martin 1, Marcel Dionne 1, Dennis Hextall 1, Walt Tkaczuk 1

Right Wing: Mickey Redmond 127, Yvan Cournoyer 116, Jim Pappin 65, Rene Robert 15, Bill Flett 14, Rod Gilbert 13, Ken Hodge 11, Rick MacLeish 3, Bill Fairbairn 3, Bobby Schmautz 2, Lou Nanne 1, Gary Dornhoefer 1, Lowell MacDonald 1

Left Wing: Frank Mahovlich 185, Dennis Hull 93, John Bucyk 85, J.P. Parise 33, Rick Martin 29, Mickey Redmond 3, Bill Barber 1


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1972-73 All-Star voting: (The article says a unanimous vote would've been 240 pts)

Goalie: (432/432) Ken Dryden 238, Tony Esposito 83, Gilles Villemure 42, Roy Edwards 21, Roger Crozier 13, Ed Giacomin 11, Cesare Maniago 7, Dave Dryden 5, Jim Rutherford 4, Rogie Vachon 3, Gilles Meloche 2, Phil Myre 1, Jacques Plante 1, Dan Bouchard 1

Defence: (864/864) Bobby Orr 236, Guy LaPointe 125, Brad Park 118, Bill White 112, Jacques Laperriere 97, Serge Savard 41, Rod Seiling 28, Gary Bergman 24, Dallas Smith 19, Terry Harper 15, Barry Gibbs 11, Keith Magnuson 7, Pat Stapleton 5, Tim Horton 4, Gilles Marotte 4, Dave Burrows 4, Barclay Plager 3, Larry Johnstone 3, Dale Rolfe 2, Jim Schoenfeld 1, Don Awrey 1, Dale Tallon 1, Ted Harris 1, Ab Demarco 1, Jim McKenney 1

Centre: (432/432) Phil Esposito 226, Bobby Clarke 133, Gil Perreault 21, Jacques Lemaire 16, Jean Ratelle 12, Rick MacLeish 12, Stan Mikita 8, Pit Martin 1, Marcel Dionne 1, Dennis Hextall 1, Walt Tkaczuk 1

Right Wing: (432/432) Mickey Redmond 187, Yvan Cournoyer 116, Jim Pappin 65, Rene Robert 15, Bill Flett 14, Rod Gilbert 13, Ken Hodge 11, Rick MacLeish 3, Bill Fairbairn 3, Bobby Schmautz 2, Lou Nanne 1, Gary Dornhoefer 1, Lowell MacDonald 1

Left Wing: (432/432) Frank Mahovlich 188, Dennis Hull 93, John Bucyk 85, J.P. Parise 33, Rick Martin 29, Mickey Redmond 3, Bill Barber 1
Goalie and Centre add up.

Defense comes up 1 point short.

Right Wing comes up 60 points short, but the Awards pdf file says Mickey Redmond 187, which would add up.

Left Wing comes up 3 points short, and the file says Mahovlich 188 and Hull 96, which would put it 3 points over.

With the changes suggested this now adds up.


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