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10-01-2013, 09:07 PM
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The whole point is to win. The NHL needs a culture change. I don't find it entertaining at all. Really, it's just boring and occasionally scary.
And teams have used fighting and intimidation as a tool for success. Carlyle won a Cup doing it.

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I would amend this to say hockey is a game and the NHL is a professional version of that game. Its main goal (the NHL) is to draw fans and provide entertainment in order to make money. Part of that entertainment is the violent side of the game (fighting and hitting) that isn't part of most hockey played.
I would certainly agree with that... Was basically what I was trying to say but failed to be specific enough.

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10-01-2013, 09:08 PM
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I believe high school hockey fits your expectations regarding fighting and roughing it up...
College hockey, international hockey, etc.

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10-01-2013, 09:09 PM
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And teams have used fighting and intimidation as a tool for success. Carlyle won a Cup doing it.
This too. It can actually serve as a tactical advantage and not just an on-ice justice system.

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Fighting is already illegal. If you want to argue that a 5 minute penalty isn't sufficient then fine, but fighting isn't part of the game any more than slashing, hooking, high sticking, etc.

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10-01-2013, 09:10 PM
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Vocal minority....


Throw a poll up on the main board. If you think you're not.












You won't
I know I'm in the minority. We're just ahead of the curve. You'll get there.

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10-01-2013, 09:11 PM
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I mean this with all due respect. But I honestly can say that I disagree with pretty much everything I've ever seen you post here on HF Boards. Not trying to be a dick in all honesty since intelligent debate is what makes this forum so awesome, but it just amazes me how I consistently believe the exact opposite of what you post.

Say what you will about fighting, but it allows the players to police and enforce themselves. You take away fighting, you increase the rate of cheap shots, dirty hits, etc. that result from emotions being forcibly bottled up over the course of a game.

What's worse? Fighting in hockey, or more Todd Bertuzzi/Donald Brashear stick to the head incidents that resulted from players' frustrations boiling over from an inability to drop the gloves? (This was especially true in Bertuzzi's case btw. Not condoning his actions, but Moore didn't help the situation by slashing Naslund the whole game and refusing to answer the bell via fighting).
Don't worry, your opinion is just behind.

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10-01-2013, 09:12 PM
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I know I'm in the minority. We're just ahead of the curve. You'll get there.
You have a personal preference and thats fine. Its not better than anyone else take.

Frankly I always find these debates to be a tad comical in light of the NHL hockey I watched growing up. The current NHL is quite tame by comparison.

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Fighting is already illegal. If you want to argue that a 5 minute penalty isn't sufficient then fine, but fighting isn't part of the game any more than slashing, hooking, high sticking, etc.
Again, things that happen whistle to whistle. Fighting does not.

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10-01-2013, 09:13 PM
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You have a personal preference and thats fine. Its not better than anyone else take.

Frankly I always find these debates to be a tad comical in light of the NHL hockey I watched growing up. The current NHL is quite tame by comparison.
It's not an opinion that this is the way it's heading. It's a fact.

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10-01-2013, 09:19 PM
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And teams have used fighting and intimidation as a tool for success. Carlyle won a Cup doing it.
How many fights took place in the SCF between the Ducks and Sens?

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It's not an opinion that this is the way it's heading. It's a fact.
They way whats heading? Fighting is still here and if you've missed it, there has been a arms race in our division.

The percentage of games with fights has been roughly the same the last 3 seasons.

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10-01-2013, 09:21 PM
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in light of the NHL hockey I watched growing up. The current NHL is quite tame by comparison.
QFT!!!

Absolutely.

So so different

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How many fights took place in the SCF between the Ducks and Sens?
Aye

That's the point. The Sens played like scared, timid little boys against a big, bad group of bullies. They wouldn't do so much as challenge the Ducks physically that series, and ultimately that sort of timidness helped the Ducks crush them in that Finals.

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They way whats heading? Fighting is still here and if you've missed it, there has been a arms race in our division.

The percentage of games with fights has been roughly the same the last 3 seasons.
You aren't paying attention. Concussions, lawsuits, former fighters dying, junior rules, visors, etc.... The movement is growing rapidly. If fighting is still in the NHL in 5 years, it will be shocking.

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Aye

That's the point. The Sens played like scared, timid little boys against a big, bad group of bullies. They wouldn't do so much as challenge the Ducks physically that series, and ultimately that sort of timidness helped the Ducks crush them in that Finals.
Pretty much

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10-01-2013, 09:26 PM
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Aye

That's the point. The Sens played like scared, timid little boys against a big, bad group of bullies. They wouldn't do so much as challenge the Ducks physically that series, and ultimately that sort of timidness helped the Ducks crush them in that Finals.
Or the ducks were just better.

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Don't worry, your opinion is just behind.
At least a million fans disagree with you. Don't worry, figure skating will start soon.

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Or the ducks were just better.
A reason, is because of the physicality



No, not possible! That can't be a part of the reason at all.

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Or the ducks were just better.
Grasping at straws, eh?

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At least a million fans disagree with you. Don't worry, figure skating will start soon.
When you have several several people telling you to not touch a campfire, but you know, you absolutely know they'rewrong and you touch the campfire. What happens? Do you learn? Do you admit your opinion was wrong or you were ill informed? It's a true sign of something.

And it's not enlightened

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When you have several several people telling you to not touch a campfire, but you know, you absolutely know they'rewrong and you touch the campfire. What happens? Do you learn? Do you admit your opinion was wrong or you were ill informed? It's a true sign of something.

And it's not enlightened
This makes no sense

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You aren't paying attention. Concussions, lawsuits, former fighters dying, junior rules, visors, etc.... The movement is growing rapidly. If fighting is still in the NHL in 5 years, it will be shocking.
Holy nonsense

Concussions? You mean something that is an issue league wide due primarily to hitting? Or has Crosby been fighting too much? You can't possibly be this illinformed as to think the concussion issue league wide is due to fighting? Most players with concussion issues are not fighters and didn't get them in fights.

What lawsuits? The one from the Boogaard family thats basically them not being able to accept that one son helped the other feed his drug habit and it led to his death?

junior rules? Again you're not getting it. Branch has talked about possibly cracking down more on fighting at the junior level because he doesn't feel they need it to sell the game. WHat does that have to do with the NHL? Two of the biggest heavyweights in the NHL Parros/Scott came from college hockey with no fighting allowed and full cages. It had no impact on how they decided to play in the NHL.

The movement is to make the game safer and reduce the amount of fighting not to eliminated it.

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