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Ryan Miller (Sabres) <---> (Canucks) Roberto Luongo - TRADE = "Solve the issue"

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07-02-2013, 05:44 AM
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One would have to think that if there was any GM willing to trade for Luongo Vancouver would have taken it and kept Schneider. Personally I think Luongo is a good goalie and not trying to rip on him. Unfortunately it would seem that this train wreck will continue for the duration of the contract... unless the owner wants to pay Luongo not to play.... can't imagine what will happen at this point... Just hope Luongo doesn't hit a slump at the begging of the year... that could get ugly...

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07-02-2013, 05:46 AM
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Now that Schneider is gone, I am absolutely 100% behind Luongo.

I have no problem with his contract at all because it really doesn't change a thing for the window where we are expected to be competitive and I honestly don't see it being a problem in the future...just an LTIR thing.

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07-02-2013, 06:10 AM
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Buffalo already has one potential cap recapture situation with Ehrhoff, they won't be adding a 2nd with Luongo.

Buffalo picked up Hackett in the Pomninville deal for the express purpose of moving Miller. They have already re-upped Enroth on a 2 year deal. There are a few matches out there (Philly and NYI being the two most obvious)

FLA you can rule out because they are in the division. Edmonton/Calgary? Maybe he'd go there for a year, but those are even more remote than Buffalo.

My gut tells me it'll be something like Miller to NYI for a decent roster player.

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07-02-2013, 06:18 AM
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Luo > Miller even with the contract (which objectively isnt as bad as people would like to think) factored in AINEC
That can't be true, because if it was, Luongo could and would have been moved for value.

Miller, with only 1 year left on his contract, could be moved for some value.

Gillis traded Schneider because he had no choice, he could't fine anyone to even take Luongo for nothing;everyone wanted Gillis to either retain some salary, or take back a bad contract.

Gillis needed to move one big contract and take back no salary or the Canucks could not have fielded a roster this year. Moving the better value goalie was his only option he had at the end of the day.

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07-02-2013, 06:36 AM
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God no. Miller's on a sane contract and I hope the Sabres move away from the "LEAN ENTIRELY ON YOUR GOALIE" model.

Acquiring Luongo would be a setback in the long term for a rebuilding team. No issue solved for the Sabres.

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God no. Miller's on a sane contract and I hope the Sabres move away from the "LEAN ENTIRELY ON YOUR GOALIE" model.

Acquiring Luongo would be a setback in the long term for a rebuilding team. No issue solved for the Sabres.
I'm trying hard to figure how anyone can consider the Luongo contract sane. If it wasn't so bad, Luongo would be playing on another team right now instead of Schneider.

I have to also wonder at the Luongo>>>>>Miller from a skill perspective comments, but that is a topic for another thread.

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07-02-2013, 06:58 AM
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I have to also wonder at the Luongo>>>>>Miller from a skill perspective comments, but that is a topic for another thread.
I'd highly advise you to not open that can of worms.

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I'd highly advise you to not open that can of worms.


Yea, yea, I know. I shouldn't have said that.

Please everyone, resist commenting on that part of my post. PLEASE!!!!! You know you want to stick to the topic. Move along, move along...

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07-02-2013, 09:04 AM
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I'm trying hard to figure how anyone can consider the Luongo contract sane. If it wasn't so bad, Luongo would be playing on another team right now instead of Schneider.

I have to also wonder at the Luongo>>>>>Miller from a skill perspective comments, but that is a topic for another thread.
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I'd highly advise you to not open that can of worms.
Open it up! I wanna see some pre 4th of July fireworks

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07-02-2013, 09:45 AM
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I'd highly advise you to not open that can of worms.
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Yea, yea, I know. I shouldn't have said that.

Please everyone, resist commenting on that part of my post. PLEASE!!!!! You know you want to stick to the topic. Move along, move along...
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That's like saying a second liner like Stalberg is better than Patrice Bergeron because he won the Stanley Cup and Patrice lost. We all know who was the better goalie in that tournament.

You can not like Miller because of his attitude, but his play has proven that he is a top 7 goalie in the league. His Vezina backs that up, and his Olympic performance expands on it.

Luongo was known as being the worse goalie in that tourney. Miller has had the worse of the two defenses around him for a bulk of his career.

Both teams wouldnt do this trade for a number of reasons, but to use Luongo's less that stellar Olympic gold medal to say anything about him being better than Miller is asinine.

EDIT: If a joke, I apoligize

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=519314

I OPENED THE CAN OF WORMS.

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Buffalo already has one potential cap recapture situation with Ehrhoff, they won't be adding a 2nd with Luongo.

Buffalo picked up Hackett in the Pomninville deal for the express purpose of moving Miller. They have already re-upped Enroth on a 2 year deal. There are a few matches out there (Philly and NYI being the two most obvious)

FLA you can rule out because they are in the division. Edmonton/Calgary? Maybe he'd go there for a year, but those are even more remote than Buffalo.

My gut tells me it'll be something like Miller to NYI for a decent roster player.
How is Buffalo remote? I live in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada and I see so many Buffalo players coming to watch Ice Dogs games, going to the casino's.

Toronto is where the "Hockey Hall of Fame" resides, which is only an hour and a half drive. It's not like Western New York is small and with the casino's in Niagara Falls, NY and Niagara Falls, ON there is plenty of nightlight especially in Ontario were there are clubs to go along with those casino's. Everytime Ive gone down there, there are more Americans in the clubs than Canadians.

If you play in Buffalo you get the amenities and nightlife as playing in Toronto gives without the increased media and hype that seems to suffocate players playing in Toronto and hindering Toronto from a lot of great players.

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Would rather hold onto Luongo

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lol at this thread

clearly some withdrawal going on here ... hence the immediate need a new place for folks to expound on how much luongo's contract sucks

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Are you guys really saying that Roberto "Folding Chair" Luongo is really better skill wise than Ryan Miller?

They're very comparable talent and career wise, but I have never seen a goalie fold harder in the playoffs than Luongo, and have never seen a goalie outside of Hasek, Roy, and Brodeur stand on their head like Miller in the Olympics and that season.

Miller's ceiling > Luongo's

Luongo has had slightly better regular season stats, I'll give ya that, but I do credit a lot of that to the offense-first system that Buffalo has employed over the past 8 years.

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Technically it only solves Vancouver's "issue" of not being able to move Luongo. Miller wouldn't be as hard to move because he is only signed for one more year. He will either be moved to a desperate team this offseason, or become a rental at the trade deadline, but there will be interest for him, even with his cap hit, because he is a rental and teams wouldn't mind giving him a one year tryout and getting his negotiating rights. Luongo stays with you forever on a doomsday contract that nobody wants during a very cap restrictive time.

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07-02-2013, 11:12 AM
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I would certainly be willing to buy Luongo out for VAN if they traded us a significant asset with him.

miller, mcnabb, 2nd in 2014

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Technically it only solves Vancouver's "issue" of not being able to move Luongo. Miller wouldn't be as hard to move because he is only signed for one more year. He will either be moved to a desperate team this offseason, or become a rental at the trade deadline, but there will be interest for him, even with his cap hit, because he is a rental and teams wouldn't mind giving him a one year tryout and getting his negotiating rights. Luongo stays with you forever on a doomsday contract that nobody wants during a very cap restrictive time.
Well I agree with most of this.

And, I can see the sides of both parties fans on this case.

But, all the talk about the contract is all about if people believe Luongo will be a good goalie at the age of +/- 40. Now, some goalies have shown that it is a possibility for having a good goalie at that age.

The cap on the contract is good, actually it's great. But yeah, understand the time-perspective.

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I'm guessing all of this "downgrading from Luongo" talk is some sort of defense mechanism. It's really odd. Anybody who is objective about it would say they are pretty much equals, just Miller doesn't have that contract.

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That's like saying a second liner like Stalberg is better than Patrice Bergeron because he won the Stanley Cup and Patrice lost. We all know who was the better goalie in that tournament.

You can not like Miller because of his attitude, but his play has proven that he is a top 7 goalie in the league. His Vezina backs that up, and his Olympic performance expands on it.

Luongo was known as being the worse goalie in that tourney. Miller has had the worse of the two defenses around him for a bulk of his career.

Both teams wouldnt do this trade for a number of reasons, but to use Luongo's less that stellar Olympic gold medal to say anything about him being better than Miller is asinine.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=519314

I OPENED THE CAN OF WORMS.
LOL i was just trying to antagonize, on the reals though as an oilers fan i would take either of them on my team anyday

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This makes no sense for either team.

Canucks want to win now - Luongo is the better goalie.

Sabres want to rebuild - a long contract to an aging goalie is not the best way to do that.

I'd rather see the Canucks roll with Luongo for the next few years then just buy him out when Lack or that other Swedish guy is ready to take the reigns. And I have no idea why the Sabres would possibly be interested in Luongo.

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Gillis: [holds camera facing himself] See, this is how crazy Luongo's made Vancouver! If you want order in Vancouver, Luongo must take off his mask and turn himself in. Oh, and every day he doesn't, people will be traded, starting tonight. I'm a man of my word.

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This makes no sense for either team.

Canucks want to win now - Luongo is the better goalie.

Sabres want to rebuild - a long contract to an aging goalie is not the best way to do that.

I'd rather see the Canucks roll with Luongo for the next few years then just buy him out when Lack or that other Swedish guy is ready to take the reigns. And I have no idea why the Sabres would possibly be interested in Luongo.
Are you guys so beaten down and upset about this situation that we are just resorting to delusions? Get it together Nuck fans.

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Probably means it's a good idea
Or that both fanbases know it's stupid.

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