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07-02-2013, 07:33 AM
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why can't florida land lecavalier? we have plenty of appeal to him. close to home, no income tax, promise of the 1C for a few years
Tell me when that has ever helped Florida land a free agent over the competition. And Lecavs joining Florida would be like Selanne joining the Kings. Not happening. And if we're talking about Vincent wanting to be close to "home," I guess Montreal it is. And the promise of being a 1C for a while longer? Lots of other teams can make that promise, teams with far deeper pockets.

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Weiss is a 1C if you put him there. krejci score ~50-65 points a year, similiar to weiss, and have won the stanley cup as 1C.
Krejci has played 4 full seasons in his career (defined as a season of at least 70 games played), and has posted at least 50 points in each of those seasons. Weiss has 7 full seasons, with just 3 seasons of at least 50 points. Weiss is also 3 years older. Bad comparison.

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he might be better than the ones competing, but he's still not proven in the NHL. matthias/goc are both more proven and used to small ice.
Based on that logic, anyone who played center in the NHL last season would be a better option at 1C over Barkov since they are "proven" on smaller rinks. Ho-lee-****.

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we paid for a lot of free agents in the '11 off-season
That was meant to reach the cap floor. Nothing more. How else do you explain the gross overpayments made to Jovo, Upshall, Bergenheim, etc.?

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i don't see a problem paying for a decent borderline 1C
You will when that stop gap's contract impedes the numerous centers coming up the pipeline from making the big club.

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07-02-2013, 07:41 AM
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07-02-2013, 07:42 AM
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Tell me when that has ever helped Florida land a free agent over the competition. And Lecavs joining Florida would be like Selanne joining the Kings. Not happening. And if we're talking about Vincent wanting to be close to "home," I guess Montreal it is. And the promise of being a 1C for a while longer? Um, lots of other teams can make that promise, teams with far deeper pockets.



Krejci has played 4 full seasons in his career (defined as a season of at least 70 games played), and has posted at least 50 points in each of those seasons. Weiss has 7 full seasons, with just 3 seasons of at least 50 points. Weiss is also 3 years older. Bad comparison.



Based on that logic, anyone who played center in the NHL last season would be a better option at 1C over Barkov since they are "proven" on smaller rinks. Ho-lee-****.



That was meant to reach the cap floor. Nothing more. How else do you explain the gross overpayments made to Jovo, Upshall, Bergenheim, etc.?



You will when that stop gap's contract impedes the numerous centers coming up the pipeline from making the big club.
what other logical places will he be a 1C/2C that needs one? its nice that you know what he wants to do

krejci also plays with better players. but what i said was that you dont need a bona fide 100p center to win the cup, you can have two very strong 2Cs

i dont think barkov can step into the lineup and outproduce goc/matthias as 1C, and i think its dumb to pretend an 18 year old will be able to carry the load playing 20+ min for 82 games

oh, how many top6 centers do we have coming up? bjugstad and barkov. most others will translate to wingers

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07-02-2013, 08:04 AM
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07-02-2013, 08:07 AM
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what other logical places will he be a 1C/2C that needs one?
Devils, Sabres, Flames, Blue Jackets, Predators, Senators, Coyotes, Maple Leafs, Jets.

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i dont think barkov can step into the lineup and outproduce goc/matthias as 1C...
Want to make a wager?

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...and i think its dumb to pretend an 18 year old will be able to carry the load playing 20+ min for 82 games
Ah, you're one of those that thinks no teen coming out of a draft is capable of being an NHL first liner right off the bat. Got it.

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Devils, Sabres, Flames, Blue Jackets, Predators, Senators, Coyotes, Maple Leafs, Jets.



Want to make a wager?



Ah, you're one of those that thinks no teen coming out of a draft is capable of being an NHL first liner right off the bat. Got it.
why would he go to these teams over florida? i know that you, like everyone else, who think florida should just relocate and go to a canadian market where they'll be able to spend soo much money

no, but i think there's very few who can, and i don't think barkov can step in and outproduce many

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07-02-2013, 08:20 AM
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why would he go to these teams over florida?
Devils, Sens, Leafs. Do I have to explain why they ave more appeal than the Cats?

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i know that you, like everyone else, who think florida should just relocate and go to a canadian market where they'll be able to spend soo much money
Born and raised in Miami. Nicetry, though.

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i don't think barkov can step in and outproduce many
Why?

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Devils, Sens, Leafs. Do I have to explain why they ave more appeal than the Cats?



Born and raised in Miami. Nicetry, though.



Why?
sens = behind turris/spezza, no long term deal
leafs have kadri and probably weiss for a hometown discount
devils are not close to contenders

barkovs shoulder might not be good enough to play the heavy minutes, maybe down the stretch he can be 1C but i don't think he'll start at it. he needs to learn the NA game too

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07-02-2013, 08:52 AM
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leafs have kadri and probably weiss for a hometown discount
Lecavs is still an improvement on both.

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barkovs shoulder might not be good enough to play the heavy minutes, maybe down the stretch he can be 1C but i don't think he'll start at it. he needs to learn the NA game too
If his shoulder were fine, would you say he'd e ready to go as the 1C from Day 1?

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Lecavs is still an improvement on both.







If his shoulder were fine, would you say he'd e ready to go as the 1C from Day 1?
yes, but he want al ong term deal and io dont think they want to bury their up coming young players for 5 years


if his shoulder was fine? maybe, depending on training camp. i still think it'd be best to sign it, why we discuss this in the calder topic idk

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07-02-2013, 09:13 AM
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yes, but he want al ong term deal and io dont think they want to bury their up coming young players for 5 years
But the Panthers do?

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Bärtschi, Barkov or Drouin.

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Good call. A lot of people are forgetting about Trouba.
I LOVE trouba and think he will be a beast next year and for years to come, but I think there is potential for a few rookies to get alot of points and unfortunately that will overshadow Troubas rock solid play

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07-02-2013, 12:25 PM
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Strome or Drouin for me.

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07-02-2013, 12:36 PM
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Depends too much on lines and situations.

If everyone gets their optimal situation (Stome/Tavares, Jones/Weber, Baertschi/?, Drouin/Stamkos, ect..) then I'd say Strome.

No mentions of Granlund yet huh?

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07-02-2013, 12:48 PM
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I gotta say Barkov

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07-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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Bärtschi, Barkov or Drouin.

Going with Sven just because he is a bit older, will likely play top line minutes, top PP time as well, and should have decent team mates setting him up this year (Backlund)

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07-02-2013, 01:46 PM
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Drouin will win simply by leeching off Stamkos and St. Louis. I mean if Ted freaking Purcell can score at a 60 point pace with them imagine what Drouin can do.

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My team's player/recent top-10 pick/big name rookie.

Those are my 3 finalists.

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No mentions of Granlund yet huh?
Mikael played too many games last year to be eligible for Calder

Markus won't be in the nhl.

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Drouin or MacKinnon. Homer vote to Vatanen as an outsider.

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This is way too early but i'll guess Filip Forsberg.

I'm interested to see how Torterella deals with the prospects coming to Canucks camp like Jensen, Horvat, Gaunce and Shinkaruk. Every year there was no chance for young guys to make the Nucks under AV ...

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