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07-01-2013, 08:45 PM
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Kane for Seguin

Seguin maximizes his value at C, Winnipeg gets a legit 1st line center prospect and gets rid of the enigmatic kane.


Boston replaces Horton in grand style. Kane and Lucic will be punishing anyone that gets in their way.

I love this trade for both teams.

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07-01-2013, 08:47 PM
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im gonna make a few more of these threads.....

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Hate it from a Habs POV. Kane probably has a bit higher trade value but who knows. Good proposal.

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Egnimatic?

What?

I am not sure Winnipeg does this

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Done. I'd even throw in Rich Peverley at no additional cost.

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Talent level wise? This is completely fair.

However, and I think Boston made a mistake here. They came out and basically said that this kid has serious Personality, attitude, dedication, however you want to call it issues as a professional athlete.

That's one of the scarier red flags you can put up.

I wouldn't touch this if I was Winnipeg.

(Now, maybe it was calculated and there just tryign to light a fire under Seguin, if so, kinda smart in that sense.)

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07-01-2013, 08:54 PM
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If I'm winnipeg I take a chance on Seguin who could become a ppg 1st line center. He will never reach his true potential unless he plays 1c with talent.

Ladd or schiefle could move to wing. Kane is a great young power forward but he is a winger.

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07-01-2013, 08:58 PM
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Seguin + Hamilton for Kane

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I would want more if I were Winnipeg.

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player value is fair....but Winnipeg only does this if Seguin truely is a center. that part is uncertain.

The other issue with boston is if they make this deal they still have to unload salary to get under the cap. The idea of moving Seguin was in part to get 1st+ 2 prospect thus dumping his cap hit off their rolls.

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Talent level wise? This is completely fair.

However, and I think Boston made a mistake here. They came out and basically said that this kid has serious Personality, attitude, dedication, however you want to call it issues as a professional athlete.

That's one of the scarier red flags you can put up.

I wouldn't touch this if I was Winnipeg.

(Now, maybe it was calculated and there just tryign to light a fire under Seguin, if so, kinda smart in that sense.)
They only said that after they took Seguin off the market, so yeah, I think that was more a public comment directed at Seguin. That being said, I'd do this trade without hesitation. Probably wouldn't be willing to add whatever it'd take for Winnipeg to agree.

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If I'm winnipeg I take a chance on Seguin who could become a ppg 1st line center. He will never reach his true potential unless he plays 1c with talent.

Ladd or schiefle could move to wing. Kane is a great young power forward but he is a winger.
So is Seguin. I think that the playoffs were a pretty good indication of that. They put a 27 year old winger from Europe go 2C in front of him.

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Kane is worth more

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Talent level wise? This is completely fair.

However, and I think Boston made a mistake here. They came out and basically said that this kid has serious Personality, attitude, dedication, however you want to call it issues as a professional athlete.

That's one of the scarier red flags you can put up.

I wouldn't touch this if I was Winnipeg.

(Now, maybe it was calculated and there just tryign to light a fire under Seguin, if so, kinda smart in that sense.)
I'm not going to bash Seguin because it would be great to have him on the Jets, but just wanted to agree with the above.

Kane has taken a photo with money in it in Vegas and sometimes puts words in his hair. Seguin has been publicly called out by his team saying he needs to dedicate himself to being a professional (something Ferraro said was one of the worst things to hear).

And yet Kane is the guy that HF likes to dump on as having attitude issues?

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07-01-2013, 09:14 PM
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fair deal, both 21 years old, Bruins get a 30 goal scoring, natural winger who can play Bruins style hockey. Jets get a potential #1 center who might flourish with a change of scenery.

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I thought Seguin wasn't a centre anymore and his career projects to be as a top 6 winger?

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This is tough. One of the few guys that I would 1v1 for Seggy. Would be tough to do and tough to pass on. Could see both sides saying yes and both sides saying no.

If the Bruins want Kane and rid of Seguin bad would they do this block buster:

To WPG:
Seguin (5.75)
Hamilton (1.5)

To BOS:
Kane (5.25)
Byfuglien (5.2)

I say no, one headache for another and Dougie is going to be a legit #1 stud captain type. But thats what it would most likely take to pry EK out of the cold north.

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Seguin + Hamilton for Kane

I see what you're trying to do to bridge the gap (if you believe that Kane has more value than Seguin), but Hamilton is overpayment. So, instead:

Seguin + 1st in 2014 for Kane + Burmistrov + 3rd in 2014

Rationale: Winnipeg moves up in the draft, but still sends a pick back to Boston's way, and Boston gets a guy in Burmistrov who can be a versatile player (center or wing, PK or PP, etc) and insulates them at centre in the event of injury, and while Burmistrov needs a fresh start, he has upside up the wazoo.

I would have originally thought WPG could have got much more in a stand-alone deal for Burmistrov, but I'm really not sure why they waited so long to trade him, and this KHL talk is killing his value. So Boston picks up a great player for pennies on the dollar in this trade.

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If the Bruins want Kane and rid of Seguin bad would they do this block buster:

To WPG:
Seguin (5.75)
Hamilton (1.5)

To BOS:
Kane (5.25)
Byfuglien (5.2)

I say no, one headache for another and Dougie is going to be a legit #1 stud captain type...
The only way that deal would work is if WPG ate a significant chunk (approx. $1.5 to $2 million) of Byfuglien's salary, because BOS loses a lot of cap space in this deal.

Byfuglien is a more mature player who helps BOS win now, but Hamilton is younger and arguably has more upside without any off-ice/conditioning concerns, so I think WPG would have to add. I think Burmistrov would bridge that gap just fine.

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Might be a win/win here.

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no buff no hamilton


just straight up

Kane for seguin

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no buff no hamilton


just straight up

Kane for seguin
This or I'm ready not ready to give up on Segs

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Talent level wise? This is completely fair.

However, and I think Boston made a mistake here. They came out and basically said that this kid has serious Personality, attitude, dedication, however you want to call it issues as a professional athlete.

That's one of the scarier red flags you can put up.

I wouldn't touch this if I was Winnipeg.

(Now, maybe it was calculated and there just tryign to light a fire under Seguin, if so, kinda smart in that sense.)
I don't think it's serious, it is a lack of being serious though.

Tyler is a great kid but that is just it. He is still a kid and needs to look at things differently.

I am happy he wasn't moved.

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Kane is worth more than Seguin.

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