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Retain his services 16 12.21%
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07-02-2013, 01:07 PM
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Richards' future on the NYR

Speaking purely theoretically, what would it take for the NYR (barring an injury) to retain Richards' services after next year.

Let's say he plays 79 games in the regular season and puts up 24 goals and 61 assists for 85 points. The Rangers go top 5 on the PP and Richards leads the team with 36 PPP. He puts up 17 points in 23 games in the playoffs and we lose in the Finals. Do you retain his services, or exercise the compliance buyout?

Some things to keep in mind:

At the end of Richards' contract, when he's 39-40, assuming the same growth it has shown thus far, the cap will be at 90ish million. His cap hit with that kind of cap would be equivalent to around 4.8 million at the time he signed his contract.
Horton and Clarkson look like they'll be making 6-6.5 million this year. Richards' cap hit is only slightly above that.
The current contract for stars looks to be around 8.5 million for 8 years. It's likely we see cap hits in the 9+ range very soon.

If you think we should keep him in this scenario, what kind of season would be required of him for you to not use the buyout? Where is the threshold?

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07-02-2013, 01:12 PM
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Hart season.

Seriously, that contract is already a disaster.

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Good point at where the cap will be by the time he's ending his contract, but regardless it's just too risky to not buy him out. He could guide us to a Stanley Cup, win the Conn Smythe and score 100 points and I still think buying him out next year is the right decision. If we trade him off a crazy season like that I'm sure we could get a good deal but even then the Rangers are still in danger of dealing with a cap penalty if he retires before his contract is up.

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Good point at where the cap will be by the time he's ending his contract, but regardless it's just too risky to not buy him out. He could guide us to a Stanley Cup, win the Conn Smythe and score 100 points and I still think buying him out next year is the right decision. If we trade him off a crazy season like that I'm sure we could get a good deal but even then the Rangers are still in danger of dealing with a cap penalty if he retires before his contract is up.
Should the Devils amnesty Kovalchuk? The Sabres Ehrhoff? Hossa? Zetterberg?

It was just one of my thoughts. There's lots of productive players currently out there whose teams will get bit hard later for cap circumvention and I'm a little surprised Richards has a different treatment here. Admittedly, he is coming off a poor season, but if he had a season where he has near a PPG next year, I think the front office would think hard on whether to amnesty him or not.

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Salary Cap ceiling will be higher, no doubt. But a couple of things to consider:

1. The last three years of his contract are dummy years. At the age of 37 and after collecting $40m from the Rangers, will Richards want to hang around making the league minimum?

If YES, the Rangers take a $6.67m cap hit each year he sticks around.

If NO, the Rangers take a $2.83M cap hit for six years.

2. Will the Rangers even want him around? Based on how his career is trending, the answer to that is most likely NO.

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Salary Cap ceiling will be higher, no doubt. But a couple of things to consider:

1. The last three years of his contract are dummy years. At the age of 37 and after collecting $40m from the Rangers, will Richards want to hang around making the league minimum?

If YES, the Rangers take a $6.67m cap hit each year he sticks around.

If YES, the Rangers take a $2.83M cap hit for six years.

2. Will the Rangers even want him around? Based on how his career is trending, the answer to that is most likely NO.
If he wants to play and is still a 50 point player, I'd think, yes, he'd hang around. It's not like he can play elsewhere after retiring. (I know there's players that come back after retiring, but I don't think the league would look kindly on that)

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Should the Devils amnesty Kovalchuk? The Sabres Ehrhoff? Hossa? Zetterberg?
Kovalchuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg are much better players and haven't showed signs of slowing down yet. Erhoff is carrying a $4M cap hit.

Richards was overpaid to begin with, and slowing down quicker than anticipated. The Rangers were gifted an out by the new CBA. They would be idiotic not to take it.

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Kovalchuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg are much better players and haven't showed signs of slowing down yet. Erhoff is carrying a $4M cap hit.

Richards was overpaid to begin with, and slowing down quicker than anticipated. The Rangers were gifted an out by the new CBA. They would be idiotic not to take it.
Yet being the key word.

And the hypothetical here is the scenario in the OP. If he puts up a PPG, he would be in the same boat as these other players, no?

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Yet being the key word.

And the hypothetical here is the scenario in the OP. If he puts up a PPG, he would be in the same boat as these other players, no?
Depends if Richards is still a PP specialist and mediocre ES player like he was in Dallas, I'd say no.

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Brad Richards is already finished. He isn't going to bounce back next year and be some elite skating, playmaking, goal scoring force who dangles through everyone every shift.

He will be the same beaver as last year. Slow, mentally weak, and a ****ing liability every ******* time he's on the ice.

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He's not going to finish this contract, not at only 1M for each of the last 3 years, for that alone he has to be bought out next year.

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Salary Cap ceiling will be higher, no doubt. But a couple of things to consider:

1. The last three years of his contract are dummy years. At the age of 37 and after collecting $40m from the Rangers, will Richards want to hang around making the league minimum?

If YES, the Rangers take a $6.67m cap hit each year he sticks around.

If NO, the Rangers take a $2.83M cap hit for six years.

2. Will the Rangers even want him around? Based on how his career is trending, the answer to that is most likely NO.
According to Cap Geek, if he retires before those three years start, the penalty is actually $5.66 million until the end of the contract. It's the same number you put out except it isn't spread out over 6 years.

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Brad Richards is already finished. He isn't going to bounce back next year and be some elite skating, playmaking, goal scoring force who dangles through everyone every shift.

He will be the same beaver as last year. Slow, mentally weak, and a ****ing liability every ******* time he's on the ice.
Yep. As brutally honest as it is, this is how I feel about Richards.

Bad contract for a player who is done here. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Broadway Brad.

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According to Cap Geek, if he retires before those three years start, the penalty is actually $5.66 million until the end of the contract. It's the same number you put out except it isn't spread out over 6 years.
Whoops you are right, the $17m would be spread out over the remaining years, not over twice the remaining years.

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I think the better poll would have been:

"Do you expect a rebound season from BR?"

A buyout after this season is almost inevitable, regardless of his performance.

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Brad Richards is already finished. He isn't going to bounce back next year and be some elite skating, playmaking, goal scoring force who dangles through everyone every shift.

He will be the same beaver as last year. Slow, mentally weak, and a ****ing liability every ******* time he's on the ice.
Exactly this. I'm expecting him to be the same idiot on every shift he was last year. He'll still be a beaver who sucks at hockey. Plus that 5.66 number is scary as hell for when he retires early. Buy him out and be done with this disaster.


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Exactly this. I'm expecting him to be the same idiot on every shift he was last year. He'll still be a beaver who sucks at hockey. Plus that 5.66 number is scary as hell. Buy him out and be done with this disaster.
what if i told you it's 6.67.

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Unless he pulls a Conn Smythe out of his ass then he has to be bought out after this season.

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Speaking purely theoretically, what would it take for the NYR (barring an injury) to retain Richards' services after next year.

Let's say he plays 79 games in the regular season and puts up 24 goals and 61 assists for 85 points. The Rangers go top 5 on the PP and Richards leads the team with 36 PPP. He puts up 17 points in 23 games in the playoffs and we lose in the Finals. Do you retain his services, or exercise the compliance buyout?

Some things to keep in mind:

At the end of Richards' contract, when he's 39-40, assuming the same growth it has shown thus far, the cap will be at 90ish million. His cap hit with that kind of cap would be equivalent to around 4.8 million at the time he signed his contract.
Horton and Clarkson look like they'll be making 6-6.5 million this year. Richards' cap hit is only slightly above that.
The current contract for stars looks to be around 8.5 million for 8 years. It's likely we see cap hits in the 9+ range very soon.

If you think we should keep him in this scenario, what kind of season would be required of him for you to not use the buyout? Where is the threshold?
The onlt sceanrio in which I can see the Rangers retaining his salary beyond next summer is if the above happens AND Cap increases to 70 million.

Other wise, even if the above happens, it's my guess he's a goner.

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The cap has to rise more than to 70 million to retain his rights. I think Gaborik will come back for a cheaper contract, and Vanek is also a free agent next year

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He must be bough out next offseason.

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No ifs ands or buts he should have been bought out this year. Best case scenario now is amnesty buyout ASAP.

Another thing about his contract it's going to start costing us players. This year we're going into the season pretty much with last year's team because of no cap flexibility. We probably have enough to cover our RFA's but if someone were to offer sheet McDonagh for us to match this year might cost us Zuccarello because we wouldn't have the cash to pay him to keep McDonagh. For as long as Richards and his contract are here this scenario is going to play out again and again each and every year. It's also going to limit our options in the free agent market. Unless he turns into Sidney Crosby overnight he has to go.

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My apologies to the Mods and HF group if this isn't on subject. What would happen if Richards gets hurt and you can't buy him out. Would any of you suggest using the compliance buyout anywhere else? Just for the cap space, would you guys use the compliance on Rick Nash?

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My apologies to the Mods and HF group if this isn't on subject. What would happen if Richards gets hurt and you can't buy him out. Would any of you suggest using the compliance buyout anywhere else? Just for the cap space, would you guys use the compliance on Rick Nash?
Definitely not.

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