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[PHI] Flyers sign Vincent Lecavalier (5 years, $4.5M, full NMC)

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07-03-2013, 11:06 AM
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Shhh...stop putting out facts. They don't respond to that. We are all still waiting on WHO SHOULD THE FLYERS TRADE FOR THAT IS A #1 D-MAN? WAITING....
That's for your GM to figure out...

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07-03-2013, 11:09 AM
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And they tried for Suter last summer.

I'm sure if a team calls Philly and has a #1 D-man available, Holmgren will overpay to get him so that need is then gone. Maybe all of these fans mentioning it should tell us WHO IS AVAILABLE FOR PHILLY TO TRADE FOR?
Flyers reportedly had the most money on the table for Suter. They have drafted 8 defensemen over the last 2 seasons, including a 1st,2nd, and 3rd rounder. They traded for a former top 5 overall selection defenseman.

The Flyers certainly made a lot of effort to find defense, but just haven't been as successful as they need to be.

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07-03-2013, 11:21 AM
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most of those are bad as well
Uh, it's not bad if its the standard.

I can't wait to see what guys like Iginla, Briere, Elias, Ribeiro and Morrow sign for in the next few weeks.


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07-03-2013, 11:25 AM
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Uh, it's not bad if its the standard.
8 contracts or so are the standard now? 2 wrongs don't make a right? If everyone jumped off a cliff would you?

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07-03-2013, 11:28 AM
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Lecavalier (33 years old)- 5 years $4.5m ends in 2018.
Alex Burrows (32 years old)- 4 years 4.5m ends in 2017.
RJ Umberger (31 years old)- 5 years $4.6m ends in 2017.
Brooks Laich (30 years old)- 6 years $4.5m ends in 2017.
Ray Whitney (41 years old)- 2years 4.5m ends in 2014.
Erik Cole (34 years old)- 2 years $4.5m ends in 2015.
Ville Leino (29 years old)- 6 years $4.5m ends in 2017.
Jeff Carter (28 years olf)- 11 years $5.3m ends in 2022.
Marian Hossa (34 years old)- 12 years $5.3m ends in 2021.
Shane Doan (36 years old) 4 years $5.3m ends in 2016.

How exactly is this a bad signing?
Wow, I didn't realize Umberger was 31 already. Shame we had to dump him to fit under the cap.

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07-03-2013, 11:31 AM
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Flyers reportedly had the most money on the table for Suter. They have drafted 8 defensemen over the last 2 seasons, including a 1st,2nd, and 3rd rounder. They traded for a former top 5 overall selection defenseman.

The Flyers certainly made a lot of effort to find defense, but just haven't been as successful as they need to be.
100% agree....but people will overlook that. Rather have a GM that tries to be competitive than one who accept being bad. I still feel Holmgre isn't done. He will get Thomas AND make a painful trade for a d-man.

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07-03-2013, 11:33 AM
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The term and NMC is the big problem here. 3 years would have been ideal. 3 years, $18MM?

Whatever, this is good deal for 2-3 years then a terrible one in the last two. So it sounds like every other big name FA contract signed in the NHL these days.
exactly.

The reason why montreal , detroit, and maple leafs did not get vinny is because of that last year.

the reason why philly did get him is because they made it a 5 year deal. It is a gamble. Flyers are banking on 3 things.

1. Vinny can sustain a 3rd line center level of play for his final 2 years

2. the cap goes up to the point where this contract is nothing to complain about

3. He agrees to come home to tampa for his final year or two to retire a Bolt.

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07-03-2013, 11:45 AM
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8 contracts or so are the standard now? 2 wrongs don't make a right? If everyone jumped off a cliff would you?
I'm Ron Burgundy?

I picked 9 other contracts that were multi year deals signed by older players or players that would be older when they expired. When someone signs as a UFA they usually get a year or so more than most people would like to give, that's how you land the player. Anyway, yes, when I can find 9 other similar contracts, signed by similar players, it's not a rare signing at all, it's pretty standard. Vinny isnt the first player to sign until he's 38 and surely wont be the last and at a discounted rate, I love it.

The Pens just signed Kunitz and Dupuis to multi year deals expiring when they're 37 years old to $3.75m and $3.85m each and everyone says those are great deals but Lecavalier signed until 38 at $4.5m is bad? Neither of them are on Lecavalier's level. Can you imagine the amount of points Vinny would put up playing with Crosby or Malkin?


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exactly.

The reason why montreal , detroit, and maple leafs did not get vinny is because of that last year.

the reason why philly did get him is because they made it a 5 year deal. It is a gamble. Flyers are banking on 3 things.

1. Vinny can sustain a 3rd line center level of play for his final 2 years

2. the cap goes up to the point where this contract is nothing to complain about

3. He agrees to come home to tampa for his final year or two to retire a Bolt.
One of those 3 will happen. My guess. Lets enjoy the first year for now. Best pp of the league not too much to ask now. 3rd last year without new guys.

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07-03-2013, 11:58 AM
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most of those are bad as well
And not to mention signed under the old CBA which allows "fake years" to be tacked on to lower the cap hit, but hey why try talking facts and logic!

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And not to mention signed under the old CBA which allows "fake years" to be tacked on to lower the cap hit, but hey why try talking facts and logic!
Your own team just signed two players older than Lecavalier to three/four year deals.

And of that list only Hossa has fake years at the end. You are so obviously hypocrtical that it's embarrassing.


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Wow, I didn't realize Umberger was 31 already. Shame we had to dump him to fit under the cap.
Granted, I think he would have took a bit less to stay in Philly, CBJ def had to over-pay him to get him to stick around columbus. I can't blame him for signing there, and he is a decent player I just would never want him on my team that has to watch their cap like a hawk with a that cap number to production.

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IMO the only thing wrong with this is the term. 4.5 is good cap hit for a near PPG guy and he will fit well with the flyers.

That 4th or 5th year might be tough to take later on, that would be my only concern if I was a flyer fan....
Then buy him out after his fourth year.

2017-18: $2,500,000
2018-19: $1,000,000

Cap goes up anyways. Definitely worth the risk for Vinny on your team now.

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And not to mention signed under the old CBA which allows "fake years" to be tacked on to lower the cap hit, but hey why try talking facts and logic!
Exactly, it's not like anyone is expecting the youngest of that bunch (Carter) to play until he is 39 years old. I think the beauty of it is when he retires, the Flyers get the cap hit back, if I am not mistaken. Same with Richards.

IMO, the term associated with the Lecavalier deal is going to make him untradeable in the future.

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I like this move a lot. Now they have to focus the effort on their blue line.

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Then buy him out after his fourth year.

2017-18: $2,500,000
2018-19: $1,000,000

Cap goes up anyways. Definitely worth the risk for Vinny on your team now.
Flyers used their two buyouts already, I don't think teams are going to be allowed to get more without the cap dropping again.

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Exactly, it's not like anyone is expecting the youngest of that bunch (Carter) to play until he is 39 years old. I think the beauty of it is when he retires, the Flyers get the cap hit back, if I am not mistaken. Same with Richards.
You are totally mistaken. The Flyers do not face any cap recapture penalties for the Carter or Richards contracts.

This thread has been a real eye opener for just how ignorant and uninformed a lot of posters on HFBoards are.

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Your own team just signed two players older than Lecavalier to three/four year deals.
yeah at lower cap hits less year(s) who bring about the same (if not more) production than Vinny and there are no Full NMC attached, making then a lot easier to move. Not to mention you know how these guys fit in and perform on your team and are very durable.

There is A LOT less risk in signing the player the pens did, than the deal homer gave Vinny. I just dont get how you can't see that.

There are TONS of questions with Vinny going to the Flyers for the term... all in all it is a pretty big gamble the Flyers have made. I am not saying it is the worst signing / deal i've ever seen and I'm sure homer did have to add the term length and NMC to get Vinny to choose philly.

Just all in all risky, well sit back and see how it plays out thats all man!

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Flyers used their two buyouts already, I don't think teams are going to be allowed to get more without the cap dropping again.
That's a regular buyout.

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Flyers used their two buyouts already, I don't think teams are going to be allowed to get more without the cap dropping again.
they used their two compliance buyouts...

they can buyout whoever else they want, it will just count against the cap



...i think lol

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You are totally mistaken. The Flyers do not face any cap recapture penalties for the Carter or Richards contracts.

This thread has been a real eye opener for just how ignorant and uninformed a lot of posters on HFBoards are.
Actually I'm curious... Would they be? A team trading for Luongo would be responsible I Think, if he retires.

Anyhow, on a typical team, Vinny would be a good gamble. On Philly, in desperate need for goaltending and defense, not So much. Philly's GM has trouble setting priorities.
The biggest idiot isn't the Flyers ' Gm, it's Vinny. Happy to leave Tampa because they play too much offense with no goaltending or defense... and goes to Philly. LOL

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they used their two compliance buyouts...

they can buyout whoever else they want, it will just count against the cap



...i think lol

Gotcha, I didn't realize the ordinary buyout's cap hit was less than the salary.

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Actually I'm curious... Would they be? A team trading for Luongo would be responsible I Think, if he retires.
No, the Flyers wouldn't be. See for yourself.

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Actually I'm curious... Would they be? A team trading for Luongo would be responsible I Think, if he retires.

Anyhow, on a typical team, Vinny would be a good gamble. On Philly, in desperate need for goaltending and defense, not So much. Philly's GM has trouble setting priorities.
The biggest idiot isn't the Flyers ' Gm, it's Vinny. Happy to leave Tampa because they play too much offense with no goaltending or defense... and goes to Philly. LOL
The off-season is still young, so hold off on your "priority" spiel.

There was no time to wait for Lecavalier.

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is there room for him on the top PP unit? Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Timonen then between Streit and Vinny?

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