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Danny looking at Buffalo (Signs with Montreal)

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...e-considering/

Briere is looking at Buffalo among seven other teams.

yes, rebuilding....

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Transition veteran. If/when they move Vanek and Stafford, they will need someone to play a scoring role on the wing.

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Sucks defensively, sucks offensively (at ES) takes away important minutes from Hodgson/Ennis/Grigorenko a-la Grigorenko last season.

Noooooooope.

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I'm sure that it is in his financial interest to have as many teams interested as possible. That being said, he is certain to prefer playing for a contender than to sign on to a rebuilding program at this stage of his career. I would be amazed if he were to end up back in Buffalo.

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Sucks defensively, sucks offensively (at ES) takes away important minutes from Hodgson/Ennis/Grigorenko a-la Grigorenko last season.

Noooooooope.
Who cares? This team is in tank mode and you don't want to throw these kids to the wolves and ruin their development by rushing them into spots they can't possibly handle. I have no issue with going this direction.

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Who cares? This team is in tank mode and you don't want to throw these kids to the wolves and ruin their development by rushing them into spots they can't possibly handle. I have no issue with going this direction.
We want smart, hard-working, lead by example vets.
Unfortunately, so do the contenders.

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Sucks defensively, sucks offensively (at ES) takes away important minutes from Hodgson/Ennis/Grigorenko a-la Grigorenko last season.

Noooooooope.
I dunno, I might be in the minority, but I'm really not that high on Hodgson or Ennis.

They are complementary players in my book, and they'll need either perfect chemistry or someone to carry the line for them.
And neither are exactly rookies (Ennis 4th full season, Hodgson 3rd).
I wouldn't lose sleep over Briere eating away at their ice time.
(but that's just me... If the menagement sees them as core, they'll treat them as such)

You can't build a team for the future without veterans there to teach the young guys.
I mean, you can, but you end up like the Oilers, perpetually up-and-coming and never arriving.

Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, Larsson, Hodgson, Ennis, etc.
They all need someone to learn from, someone to rub off on them...

And no offense to Vanek and Ott (regardless of how long they're still in Buffalo), but I'd want veterans there to help guide this kids early on.

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I'm sure that it is in his financial interest to have as many teams interested as possible. That being said, he is certain to prefer playing for a contender than to sign on to a rebuilding program at this stage of his career. I would be amazed if he were to end up back in Buffalo.
Hes looking to go a minimal distance from his kids. If the sabres are the team that is closest to his children then there is a good chance he chooses buffalo. That being said, Im indifferent to the idea.

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Briere in basically means one of Stafford/Vanek (or both) out.

A) Vanek/Miller weren't the only trade candidates on the roster (he clarified this several times)
B) UFA's would be to fill roles (also, specified that they would be high character guys, and could potentially be in a checking or scoring role "depending on trades", so again, more moving parts than just Vanek at this point)

I like Briere and I think he'd potentially be a good fit. However, in the end, I believe he's going to opt for a better fit close to his family and a team a bit closer to contention.

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I'm all for this on short term. I want Danny back. Some things in this universe need to be set right.


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Who cares? This team is in tank mode and you don't want to throw these kids to the wolves and ruin their development by rushing them into spots they can't possibly handle. I have no issue with going this direction.
So who's playing tough defensive minutes out of Hodgson-Briere-Grigorenko/Ennis?

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So who's playing tough defensive minutes out of Hodgson-Briere-Grigorenko/Ennis?
Why does Briere have to play center? Why does anyone have to play tough defensive minutes? Why not do it by committee and see who excels?

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This would be such a stupid idea.

Screw all the nostalgic BS. Why the. He'll would we want to go back in time? There are other veterans that can help the rebuild.

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I dunno, I might be in the minority, but I'm really not that high on Hodgson or Ennis.
So why would you want them having all the responsibility again? Because you're willing to completely waste their development?

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They are complementary players in my book, and they'll need either perfect chemistry or someone to carry the line for them.
And neither are exactly rookies (Ennis 4th full season, Hodgson 3rd).
I wouldn't lose sleep over Briere eating away at their ice time.
(but that's just me... If the menagement sees them as core, they'll treat them as such)
Yeah, this is a terrible opinion. Especially trying to paint Ennis/Hodgson as fourth and third year players like they've had sufficient opportunities and stopped developing. The reason you think they're "complimentary players" is because they were young, offense-first players being forced into two way roles because the only decent defensive center on the roster wasn't there until game 20-25.

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You can't build a team for the future without veterans there to teach the young guys.
I mean, you can, but you end up like the Oilers, perpetually up-and-coming and never arriving.
Which can be found without forcing Hodgson/Ennis/Grigs into having all the responsibility again.

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Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, Larsson, Hodgson, Ennis, etc.
They all need someone to learn from, someone to rub off on them...

And no offense to Vanek and Ott (regardless of how long they're still in Buffalo), but I'd want veterans there to help guide this kids early on.
Yeah, but those vets probably shouldn't be third line power play specialists who are complete AIDS defensively.

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Briere is no longer a center. The best fit may be the Islanders where he can replace Boyes on Tavares wing. Close to his kids, good mentor for the young players with the Isles, opportunities to break one off up Homer's backside 5-6 times a year...

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Why does Briere have to play center? Why does anyone have to play tough defensive minutes? Why not do it by committee and see who excels?
Because he hasn't played anywhere else aside from a stint at RW in 2010 that ended with him back at center in the playoffs?

Because somebody does, that's sort of how hockey works...

The "committee" as it stands is Porter and Porter.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...vid=nhl-search

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"There's a bunch of things I'm looking for," he said. "Obviously, hopefully a team that has a chance to win, a team that would have a role for me, a team that feels that I could help out. Hopefully a team that I feel I have a fit with, as well. Those are all things that we have to evaluate. At this point it's tough to tell. I'm not really sure where it would be. We have to wait for the teams to be able to talk and see what they see in the future and how they see the situation."
The Sabres may not have the best chance to win, but they certainly fit the rest of the criteria.

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Briere also is a single father to three sons who will continue to live in the Philadelphia suburbs, and while staying close to them would be ideal, he said it won't restrict the teams he considers.

"It might play into it a little bit … if it becomes a decision between teams and I'm not sure and it's similar situations," he said. "Probably not going to factor in right away. I think the most important factor is to see first of all who's interested and we'll go from there."
He doesn't seem too concerned about the home life. If it comes down to two teams equal in all criteria, but one trumps the other in proximity to his children, then sure, it'll play a role. But I don't think it will factor in as much as some are assuming.

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Because he hasn't played anywhere else aside from a stint at RW in 2010 that ended with him back at center in the playoffs?

Because somebody does, that's sort of how hockey works...

The "committee" as it stands is Porter and Porter.
There don't need to be strictly defined roles. Rolston can have an idea, but as the team changes and grows, roles will define themselves. This is a team in which the seeds have just been planted. You can't have such rigid ideas about it.


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If there's a way for these kids (grigorenko, Hodgson, Ennis) to develop faster by LEARNING by a respected veteran, I'm all for it. The way I look at it, even if the guy has lost a step, his commitment to the game, his workout routines, his knack for clutch goals, will be helpful for the learning curve for these guys.

You would do a disservice to the young guys if you didn't do everything you can to help these kids grow. If anybody, anywhere, had something to teach these kids, I would want them around these guys.

IF you're expecting Buffalo to be vying for a playoff spot or to be competitive then maybe you look for someone else, but these next 2-3 years are the learning years.

This is where you learn to win, these are the years you learn to fight back, find your identity as a player and as a team. Unfortunately, I think the fact that when the old Rochester core came in, they didn't have that time period of learning to come back and how to fight back in a game, they won in Rochester, they won when they were called up with the big club. They didn't learn how to come back, or how to dig in a win the close games. This led to them losing leads, and coming off as paper leaders.

Of course, this is my opinion.

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There don't need to be strictly defined roles. Rolston can have an idea, but as the team changes and grows, roles will define themselves. This is a team in which the seeds have just been planted. You can't have such rigid ideas about it.
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Briere is known to have brought both Giroux and Couturier into his home as they transitioned into the league. Both of them have adjusted well to the rigors of the NHL as youngsters, so that is going to factor into the off-ice side of what teams are looking at from Danny: his example and guidance to high-end young players. This isn't about past-based narratives, it's about looking for transition vets who can help bring forward the youth on this team.

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Come home Danny this is your true team. Briere was at his best in Buffalo, not Philly and not Phoenix. 3 years/12 million with a limited Ntc. I think a Briere signing might sway Vanek to change his mind.

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Briere is known to have brought both Giroux and Couturier into his home as they transitioned into the league. Both of them have adjusted well to the rigors of the NHL as youngsters, so that is going to factor into the off-ice side of what teams are looking at from Danny: his example and guidance to high-end young players. This isn't about past-based narratives, it's about looking for transition vets who can help bring forward the youth on this team.
100% of my interest in bring Briere back is in this context.

I don't really care where he plays, what ability he has left, if he fits, if he pushes someone down the lineup...

I want a guy who has done it, and done it right, who has a level of success to which the younglings can look up to...

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The Sabres may not have the best chance to win, but they certainly fit the rest of the criteria.



He doesn't seem too concerned about the home life. If it comes down to two teams equal in all criteria, but one trumps the other in proximity to his children, then sure, it'll play a role. But I don't think it will factor in as much as some are assuming.
Heck, for all we know Terry might use some Pegula bucks to fly his kids to see his games, or even for Danny to see his kids. Pegula IS a family man, I can see him being very open to this sort of thing.

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There don't need to be strictly defined roles. Rolston can have an idea, but as the team changes and grows, roles will define themselves. This is a team in which the seeds have just been planted. You can't have such rigid ideas about it.
This is a team that is a season removed from firing a coach with pretty much this exact philosophy, which caused young players to complain about a lack of communication and defined roles.

[paraphrasing]I want the team to play the same way whether it's Pominville or Ellis out there against Malkin [/paraphrasing]

You know who can afford to say **** like that? Teams like Detroit and LA, teams with multiple first line shutdown centers. Team Kevin Porter 4 Selke doesn't have the same luxury.

Briere's professionalism is excellent. His off-ice influence is excellent. But as it stands now, there's no place on the roster for him to abet the development of our guys on the ice. Period.

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