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07-03-2013, 12:24 PM
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Toews named to 2nd All-Star team

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...id=DL|NHL|home

Congrats to Toews.

Ovechkin was so good he made both teams in different positions.

Kane got blocked by St. Louis and Ovechkin, but I'm sure Conn Smythe will help comfort him.

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07-03-2013, 12:30 PM
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Funny thing is the year Toews won the Smythe, Kane made the allstar team. This year things reversed.

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07-03-2013, 12:37 PM
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Ovechkin making the All-Star team over Kane is a joke. The leading scorer in the West, loses out to a guy that had 1 more point, playing in the weakest division in the NHL and in the higher scoring conference?

Yeah, Kane got the Conn Smythe, but a little more respect from NHL voters would be great once in a while..

And no one should bring up the fact that Ovechkin won the Hart as a clear reason why he should be on the All-Star team over Kane.. John Tavares was top-3 in Hart voting this year and Jonathan Toews made the 2nd All-Star team over him.

In summation: Voters are dumb.

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07-03-2013, 12:38 PM
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Ovechkin making the All-Star team over Kane is a joke. The leading scorer in the West, loses out to a guy that had 1 more point, playing in the weakest division in the NHL and in the higher scoring conference?

Yeah, Kane got the Conn Smythe, but a little more respect from NHL voters would be great once and a while..

And no one should bring up the fact that Ovechkin won the Hart as a clear reason why he should be on the All-Star team over Kane.. John Tavares was top-3 in Hart voting this year and Jonathan Toews made the 2nd All-Star team over him.

In summation: Voters are dumb.
Yeah, all this is really is a confirmation of an already well-known fact:

NHL writers suck.

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Ovechkin making the All-Star team over Kane is a joke.

And no one should bring up the fact that Ovechkin won the Hart as a clear reason why he should be on the All-Star team over Kane.. John Tavares was top-3 in Hart voting this year and Jonathan Toews made the 2nd All-Star team over him.

In summation: Voters are dumb.
I agree that voters could be dumb but saying that you can't argue an MVP over a non MVP is kind of a silly argument to make.

Also, Tavares and Toews Hart voting was extremely close with those two distanced by 33 points.

I think it would be much more absurd if the league MVP didn't make the all star team and two players who weren't voted MVP did.

RW this year was a very competitive position. I wish the NHL would have a third team allstar to recognize more players since the league has constantly grown since the original six era and I feel many careers don't get recognition due to franchise players reigning supreme.

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Toews is a scrub. Can't even be named an All-Star in two different positions like the Russian.

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07-03-2013, 01:08 PM
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Glad Kane won the Conn Smythe. Toews is awesome and probably the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league, but I get tired of hearing all the Toews stuff.

Congratulations it was another solid year for Toews. Both Kane and him had nice years. It will be interesting if they sign identical contracts like they did last time.

We still have them under contract I think for 2 more seasons. I'm thinking Kane might be looking at 7.5m a season and Tows 8 million a season. Neither player is deserving of Ovechkin or Crosby money.

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Apparently the writers were given a memo beforehand to consider ovechkin a RW and they still screwed it up.

Kane was only 3 points off from making it. Darn.

And if they have the writers name their top 3s at each position there really should be 3 all star team selections at each position.

P.s. will there be a separate thread for keith being an allstar selection? Err never mind I'm an idiot and was looking at a writers ballot and not the results.

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I agree that voters could be dumb but saying that you can't argue an MVP over a non MVP is kind of a silly argument to make.

Also, Tavares and Toews Hart voting was extremely close with those two distanced by 33 points.

I think it would be much more absurd if the league MVP didn't make the all star team and two players who weren't voted MVP did.

RW this year was a very competitive position. I wish the NHL would have a third team allstar to recognize more players since the league has constantly grown since the original six era and I feel many careers don't get recognition due to franchise players reigning supreme.
I've made my stance on Ovechkin winning the Hart pretty well known. I don't even believe he should have been nominated. It may sound silly to leave off the Hart winner, but when the Hart winner was Ovechkin, it's really not.

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Ovechkin made it twice over Kane

Ovechkin >> Kane

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I wish Toews made the team twice like OV.

The voting members of the media are a disgrace to the profession. Funny, they want accountability from organizations and players but they don't have to provide any themselves to those groups or the fans for so many of these votes.

I hate when they give Tortella a good excuse to be himself. Instead of getting their colleagues to understand what they're doing as a group they're busy letting us know they got it right.

Great for Toews I guess. Maybe the league will give out a "cheatsheet" next year.

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Great for Toews.

Imagine if Bollig was competent enough to score on an open net, Kane would have tied with Ovechkin in points. The people who vote for these things are a joke.


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Kane got robbed, not by OV, but by the idiot that gave him a 1st place vote at LW. That would have been enough to push him ahead of St. Louis for 2nd team RW.

Good to see Toews get recognized at C, but it just further illustrates to me how ridiculous the Hart voting is. Just remove the "to his team" crap and make it the MVP like every other league. The fact that Toews can finish 2nd at centre in all star voting (by a significant margin) and yet finish 4th behind 2 centres in Hart voting is absurd.

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Kane got robbed, not by OV, but by the idiot that gave him a 1st place vote at LW. That would have been enough to push him ahead of St. Louis for 2nd team RW.

Good to see Toews get recognized at C, but it just further illustrates to me how ridiculous the Hart voting is. Just remove the "to his team" crap and make it the MVP like every other league. The fact that Toews can finish 2nd at centre in all star voting (by a significant margin) and yet finish 4th behind 2 centres in Hart voting is absurd.
What do you mean like every other league? What leagues.. the NFL is also most valuable to his team. The MLB doesn't have a label for it and the NBA is 'the best preforming player'.. so it isn't every league, but the NBA that you want it to be like. I dont about other ones besides those.

That someone voted Kane for LW at all is the most disturbing thing in this outcome.

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Kane got robbed, not by OV, but by the idiot that gave him a 1st place vote at LW. That would have been enough to push him ahead of St. Louis for 2nd team RW.

Good to see Toews get recognized at C, but it just further illustrates to me how ridiculous the Hart voting is. Just remove the "to his team" crap and make it the MVP like every other league. The fact that Toews can finish 2nd at centre in all star voting (by a significant margin) and yet finish 4th behind 2 centres in Hart voting is absurd.
The Hart trophy is for the MVP of the league, not to the player most valuable to his team - though that's part of it, obviously. It's just interpreted differently by different people/voters as how to determine who/what that is.

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What do you mean like every other league? What leagues.. the NFL is also most valuable to his team. The MLB doesn't have a label for it and the NBA is 'the best preforming player'.. so it isn't every league, but the NBA that you want it to be like. I dont about other ones besides those.

That someone voted Kane for LW at all is the most disturbing thing in this outcome.
I was unaware about the NFL (though thats a little different since there are positions that are inherently more "valuable" than others, which explains why a non QB/RB has only won 3 times in 55 years). In virtually every other league it goes to simply the most "valuable" or the most "outstanding" as it should.

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The Hart trophy is for the MVP of the league, not to the player most valuable to his team - though that's part of it, obviously. It's just interpreted differently by different people/voters as how to determine who/what that is.
I agree, which is why I wish they would just get rid of the "to his team" part and stick with the most valuable player in the league. Some people take it too literally, which explains, among other things, how Tavares can finish ahead of Toews for the Hart and yet well behind in All-Star voting.

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Just strip every single one of them of their voting rights. Pick new writers.

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Just strip every single one of them of their voting rights. Pick new writers.
I think 2 things need to come out of this debacle: 1) Reveal who voted for who. You want to vote Kane for All Star LW? Defend it. You want to leave Suter off your Norris ballot? Defend it. 2) Eliminate the LW/RW designation and just have 2 all star wingers on each team.

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I think 2 things need to come out of this debacle: 1) Reveal who voted for who. You want to vote Kane for All Star LW? Defend it. You want to leave Suter off your Norris ballot? Defend it. 2) Eliminate the LW/RW designation and just have 2 all star wingers on each team.
I don't see a problem with that. But the problem is, IMO, these guys don't take it seriously or put the time in, so why give a second chance when there are plenty of writers out there who would be more than happy to do it right.

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For anyone interested here are the full voting results.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/0...ll-star-teams/

Like Kane, Marty St. Louis also had someone give him a first place vote for him for left wing.

Unlike in Vezina, Crow bested Emery in all-star voting.

Also the only CHI defenseman besides Keith to get votes was Nick Leddy who got 2 third place votes for some reason.

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Even the 12 year old girls who drop their jaws at the sight of Kane know that he's a RW...

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glad for Toews... still hate this east coast bias

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Ovechkin makes it twice, but the guy who led the Western Conference in scoring didn't make it at all?? Stupid.

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I vote for Toews as our #1 and #2 center next year. That works right? Solves all our problems.

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