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07-03-2013, 03:23 PM
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Jets - General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation (Part XV)

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I could be completely wrong on this...but I recall some NFL beat writers saying it is based on where they play each game. Should be no different for any athlete. So Ladd for example, half his salary is taxed as if he works in Winnipeg, the other half is 3/82 for Minnesota, 3/82 Chicago, 1/82 Edmonton, etc etc.
Thanks, Drumzan. Interesting to say the least. Guess the Jets players didn't really mind all the travel down to Florida during the regular season after all.


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I think he'll earn his 13 spot unlike some thinking he's a reach quite you
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I'm kinda getting excited here. The past couple off-seasons were tense because of all the holes on the roster, we didn't have any idea what would happen. If you look at our current roster, and our RFAs, you'll realize we're pretty full already. If you give the big 3 $15 million, and Burmi $1.5, and the rest of the qualified NHL RFAs minimum raises(not likely but bear with me) including O'Dell, you get this:


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FORWARDS

Andrew Ladd ($4.400m)   / Bryan Little ($5.000m)               / Blake Wheeler ($5.000m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Olli Jokinen ($4.500m)                / Michael Frolik ($2.333m)
Eric O'Dell ($0.660m)      / Alexander Burmistrov ($1.500m) / Mark Scheifele ($1.563m)
James Wright ($0.650m) / Jim Slater ($1.600m)                 / Chris Thorburn ($0.867m)
Eric Tangradi ($0.762m)  / Anthony Peluso ($0.666m)

DEFENSEMEN

Tobias Enstrom ($5.750m)  / Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m)
Grant Clitsome ($2.067m)   / Zach Bogosian ($5.000m)
Mark Stuart ($1.700m)       / Jacob Trouba ($1.828m)
Arturs Kulda ($0.605m)     / Zach Redmond ($0.715m)
Paul Postma ($0.605m)

GOALTENDERS

Ondrej Pavelec ($3.900m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $62,120,300
BONUSES: $1,225,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,404,700
Take away Scheif and Trouba, that frees up two spots (one needed for a backup) and gives us $5.57 million to play with. There are problems however:

1) We have a full roster and nobody is exempt from waivers
2) Marginal NHL players and even young prospects value are at an all time low
3) No roster space to call up Scheifele or Trouba without losing a player to waivers or trade
4) There really isn't a lot of cap space room to pick up a good #4 LHD and a good backup without trades, of which D is most likely

edit: I reposted this from last night, and I forgot to include Cormier who is now also subject to waivers. Just goes to show we have a bit of a jam of waiver eligible talent, and it's entirely possible we may lose one or two players to waivers after training camp.

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I'm kinda getting excited here. The past couple off-seasons were tense because of all the holes on the roster, we didn't have any idea what would happen. If you look at our current roster, and our RFAs, you'll realize we're pretty full already. If you give the big 3 $15 million, and Burmi $1.5, and the rest of the qualified NHL RFAs minimum raises(not likely but bear with me) including O'Dell, you get this:


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FORWARDS

Andrew Ladd ($4.400m)   / Bryan Little ($5.000m)               / Blake Wheeler ($5.000m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Olli Jokinen ($4.500m)                / Michael Frolik ($2.333m)
Eric O'Dell ($0.660m)      / Alexander Burmistrov ($1.500m) / Mark Scheifele ($1.563m)
James Wright ($0.650m) / Jim Slater ($1.600m)                 / Chris Thorburn ($0.867m)
Eric Tangradi ($0.762m)  / Anthony Peluso ($0.666m)

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Tobias Enstrom ($5.750m)  / Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m)
Grant Clitsome ($2.067m)   / Zach Bogosian ($5.000m)
Mark Stuart ($1.700m)       / Jacob Trouba ($1.828m)
Arturs Kulda ($0.605m)     / Zach Redmond ($0.715m)
Paul Postma ($0.605m)

GOALTENDERS

Ondrej Pavelec ($3.900m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $62,120,300
BONUSES: $1,225,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,404,700
Take away Scheif and Trouba, that frees up two spots (one needed for a backup) and gives us $5.57 million to play with. There are problems however:

1) We have a full roster and nobody is exempt from waivers
2) Marginal NHL players and even young prospects value are at an all time low
3) No roster space to call up Scheifele or Trouba without losing a player to waivers or trade
4) There really isn't a lot of cap space room to pick up a good #4 LHD and a good backup without trades, of which D is most likely

edit: I reposted this from last night, and I forgot to include Cormier who is now also subject to waivers. Just goes to show we have a bit of a jam of waiver eligible talent, and it's entirely possible we may lose one or two players to waivers after training camp.

I don't know if I can handle another year of Chris Thorburn on this team anymore.

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I don't know if I can handle another year of Chris Thorburn on this team anymore.
I said it a million times now: Please, please send Thorburn down Chevy. I love the guy and everything but he just takes a spot on the roster for at least a full season now.

I mean don't get me wrong, he isn't soo bad but his time with the team is clearly up. I give him that he, with Slater, are the longest still active players for this franchise and in a weird way, I feel about him very much just like I felt about Boulton in his last season with the Thrashers. He's heart and soul and can fight a guy (well.. Boulton could do that better) and block shots and sometimes toe-drag a highlight goal (though Boulton could definately never do that) but he needs to be send down.

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Hey truck if a draft pick can clear a bar out in dissapointment and get an entire fan base flaming the GM he qualifies as a pet pick

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I can deal with your lineup 5oh but too me Scheifele is Center and burmistrov is rw

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I can deal with your lineup 5oh but too me Scheifele is Center and burmistrov is rw
If those three were together I'd probably go:
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That wasn't a for sure lineup, just something I threw together to illustrate how we have too many waiver eligible players.

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If those three were together I'd probably go:
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Scheifele is best suited to center IMO

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I don't know if I can handle another year of Chris Thorburn on this team anymore.
I agree. Especially if we end up losing someone who still has potential to waivers to keep him. I will be very upset if that happens.

Thorburn is well liked but he really accomplishes nothing on the ice. By far our worst forward.

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I agree. Especially if we end up losing someone who still has potential to waivers to keep him. I will be very upset if that happens.

Thorburn is well liked but he really accomplishes nothing on the ice. By far our worst forward.
Could you imagine if we lost O`Dell to Thorburn...............

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I agree. Especially if we end up losing someone who still has potential to waivers to keep him. I will be very upset if that happens.

Thorburn is well liked but he really accomplishes nothing on the ice. By far our worst forward.
Agreed. I really like Thorbs, and his goal that he scored against Miller in 11-12 was killer, but as a fan of this team, I hope and expect the GM to not be a fan of the team. Evaluating talent required objectivity. You can't hang onto a player just because you like him.

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Could you imagine if we lost O`Dell to Thorburn...............
That would be very upsetting. I don't expect Jets management to be perfect, but that is a pretty dumb move.

The thing is, you also want to show loyalty to players, and not dump guys who have contracts. Especially guys that are well liked like Thorbs. It's probably a very hard decision, but from a purely hockey POV Thorburn should be gone.

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Are Schiefele, Trouba, Frolik and O'Dell good enough to push us into contention for the top 8 this season?

Is Kulda staying in North America?

Kind of scary to me that our roster as currently constituted is that close to the cap, because it is likely not good enough to make the playoffs. Guess we have room to add one second-tier forward or defenceman, then we'll be right at the cap.

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Are Schiefele, Trouba, Frolik and O'Dell good enough to push us into contention for the top 8 this season?

Is Kulda staying in North America?

Kind of scary to me that our roster as currently constituted is that close to the cap, because it is likely not good enough to make the playoffs. Guess we have room to add one second-tier forward or defenceman, then we'll be right at the cap.
Then someone should be fired.

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Kind of scary to me that our roster as currently constituted is that close to the cap, because it is likely not good enough to make the playoffs. Guess we have room to add one second-tier forward or defenceman, then we'll be right at the cap.
Scary indeed! Desperately need to rid some bodies (D + Burmi +?) to make room for high quality top 6 forward!

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Scary that we are right up against the cap and not even close to a contender...... Our current players better improve by leaps and bounds in the next 2-3 years or we are screwed

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I am not "scared" in the least
If everyone plays to their potential this team will make the playoffs next season

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Then someone should be fired.
As much as they say that missing the playoffs is unacceptable, it seems the way the team has been built - with very low risk moves, no big UFA signings, no huge trades at the deadline or any involving core players, etc - is that they are planning on building their own team and keeping around a few key guys they like. Ladd, Little, Wheeler, Enstrom, Kane. These guys should all be useful 3-4 years from now when TNSE's own brand of the team is a stronger part of its identity. If they miss the playoffs along the way of this team coming together...I think mayyybe they'd let go Noel if expectations of being in the hunt aren't met. But I woudn't count on Chevy getting turfed unless we miss the playoffs 6-7 years in a row as long as we are drafting well. This could take a while. lol

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I'd love to make the playoffs, but I'm just so excited to see some of our young prospects play this year..... Hopefully

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I am not "scared" in the least
If everyone plays to their potential this team will make the playoffs next season
I don't believe it to be acceptable to be in a position of 'should make the playoffs' sitting at a near CAP financial situation. Should work at getting more value 'team wise' for that kind of outlay. We definitely can afford to cleanup a few roster positions, including significant ones that aren't in the long range plans (D + Burmi + future pick or ?), to pickup and/trade for a quality top young forward that is more in line with the overall plan, and still be in a position of 'should make the playoffs' with more upside than where we are now with the present crew.

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I don't believe it to be acceptable to be in a position of 'should make the playoffs' sitting at a near CAP financial situation. Should work at getting more value 'team wise' for that kind of outlay. We definitely can afford to cleanup a few roster positions, including significant ones that aren't in the long range plans (D + Burmi + future pick or ?), to pickup and/trade for a quality top young forward that is more in line with the overall plan, and still be in a position of 'should make the playoffs' with more upside than where we are now with the present crew.
This is allot easier said then done
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As much as they say that missing the playoffs is unacceptable, it seems the way the team has been built - with very low risk moves, no big UFA signings, no huge trades at the deadline or any involving core players, etc - is that they are planning on building their own team and keeping around a few key guys they like. Ladd, Little, Wheeler, Enstrom, Kane. These guys should all be useful 3-4 years from now when TNSE's own brand of the team is a stronger part of its identity. If they miss the playoffs along the way of this team coming together...I think mayyybe they'd let go Noel if expectations of being in the hunt aren't met. But I woudn't count on Chevy getting turfed unless we miss the playoffs 6-7 years in a row as long as we are drafting well. This could take a while. lol
I think this is what Chevy and co are realistically trying to do. But it shouldn't take 6-7 years at all. They're knocking on the doorstep right now. It's time to push the door right on over.

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