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07-08-2013, 01:10 PM
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LOL you dont think it would be all over the media if there was a bidding war? There is MINIMAL interest. This is what it comes down too, the guy was a -10 in the boston series, never wins big draws, never starts with the puck, obviously is incredibly selfish for the comments he made, isnt a primary scorer, isnt a shutdown guy, his stock was crippled with the randy comments, hes 29, he gets crumbled into the boards almost every shift, he cant play a stop go cycle game, yeah thats really appealing buddy. The guy scored some goals under a run and gun style system. that system doesnt exist in the nhl anymore because teams actually want to win games. If you think there has been a bidding war for grabo for 4 days... idk what to say.
So bizarre I don't even know where to begin. First off, the guy just got married is gone on his honeymoon. I would be surprised if he signed within the week. This means nothing, Semin last year had many suitors, yet didn't sign until a month after the free agent period began. I will reiterate my point since you didn't understand the first time: you cannot claim to know anything since you are not the agent nor GM. Everything else you spat out was your theories which was an attempt to rationalize your speculations...

Since I don't know the future, hence I cannot make any guarantees, I can only speculate. I speculate that Grabo puts up more points than Clarkson this season and whichever team he plays on finishes higher than the Leafs in the standings.

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07-08-2013, 01:15 PM
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Sad to see a fanbase so quickly turn on a guy they were just supporting...
I agree. If you read many leafs bloggers, specifically Steve Dangle, other NHL analysts still had good things to say about the guy.

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07-08-2013, 01:19 PM
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I agree. If you read many leafs bloggers, specifically Steve Dangle, other NHL analysts still had good things to say about the guy.
its just how the leafs role

no , every team does it and I think its done to justify the move that is made

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07-08-2013, 01:22 PM
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So bizarre I don't even know where to begin. First off, the guy just got married is gone on his honeymoon. I would be surprised if he signed within the week. This means nothing, Semin last year had many suitors, yet didn't sign until a month after the free agent period began. I will reiterate my point since you didn't understand the first time: you cannot claim to know anything since you are not the agent nor GM. Everything else you spat out was your theories which was an attempt to rationalize your speculations...

Since I don't know the future, hence I cannot make any guarantees, I can only speculate. I speculate that Grabo puts up more points than Clarkson this season and whichever team he plays on finishes higher than the Leafs in the standings.
Depends if you're including CSKA or Ak Bars' records up against the Leafs record.

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07-08-2013, 01:49 PM
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Sad to see a fanbase so quickly turn on a guy they were just supporting...
Reasons:

A large portion didn't want him signed to his current contract.
Hasn't come close to living up to his contract since Carlyle took over.
Demoted to the third line after Bozak and Kadri secured the top six spots.
Zero production (negative if you count goals against while he's on the ice) in the playoffs.

He fit Ron WIlsons run and gun system but that failed era is long gone. Time to move on.

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07-08-2013, 01:51 PM
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I agree. If you read many leafs bloggers, specifically Steve Dangle, other NHL analysts still had good things to say about the guy.
These small/mid sized Leaf bloggers fall in love with these players. They hate change and would rather see the same line up regardless of improvement or not. They literally have crushes on these guys. If you don't believe me just read their twitter feeds, its disgusting.

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He needs to play on the top 2 lines or he's being misused.

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I agree. If you read many leafs bloggers, specifically Steve Dangle, other NHL analysts still had good things to say about the guy.
They also think Carlyle is a bad coach.

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07-08-2013, 02:46 PM
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He should sign in Montreal playing on a line with Max Pacioretty.

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Sad to see a fanbase so quickly turn on a guy they were just supporting...
I was one of the Leafs fans who didn't see him as part of the picture long-term. Not that I don't like him, I really do. Up until last year he was a fantastic player for us, plenty of heart, good scoring for a second line player, and was decent defensively as well. My issue all along is that he gets demolished far too often, skating around with his head down. At some point in his career he is going to get carried off the ice. I also think his lack of production last year may have been due to the illness, as much as his role. Hope he recovers and gets back to playing the way he did elsewhere.

Really the emergence of Kadri last year is what made him expendable, still a good little player though. Nothing bad to say about him (except for the head down stuff), and really loved him as a Leaf.

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If the hatred stems from Grabo not living up to his contract then I expect assassination attempts on Clarkson and Bozak within a few years.

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07-08-2013, 03:00 PM
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If the hatred stems from Grabo not living up to his contract then I expect assassination attempts on Clarkson and Bozak within a few years.
not quite...

grabo was used as a 3rd/4th liner which he most definitely is not. He needs a top 6 role to be efficient and useful.

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07-08-2013, 03:15 PM
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So bizarre I don't even know where to begin. First off, the guy just got married is gone on his honeymoon. I would be surprised if he signed within the week. This means nothing, Semin last year had many suitors, yet didn't sign until a month after the free agent period began. I will reiterate my point since you didn't understand the first time: you cannot claim to know anything since you are not the agent nor GM. Everything else you spat out was your theories which was an attempt to rationalize your speculations...

Since I don't know the future, hence I cannot make any guarantees, I can only speculate. I speculate that Grabo puts up more points than Clarkson this season and whichever team he plays on finishes higher than the Leafs in the standings.
Semin had VALUE, coming of of a great season, grabo doesnt have that. I can claim to know anything I want to, all of the statements I said characterizing grabo were true and justified. I guarantee you clarkson will have more points then him, I wrote your name down, cant wait until 1 week becomes two I think you are trying to seem witty but its really not the case.

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07-08-2013, 03:16 PM
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A certain twitter account that is a favorite around here is reporting the Jets are making an offer to Grabovski today. So that means it's very unlikely.

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#CapitalsTalk McPhee on staying quiet in free agency: 'It wasn’t a great pool of players to invest in, so we didn’t.'

Does that means Caps are out on Grabo?? Where is this guy gonna sign?

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Sad to see a fanbase so quickly turn on a guy they were just supporting...
Most fans turned on him well before he was bought out.

Bad contract or not, a poor 48 games apparently wipes away 4 solid seasons in the minds of many.

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Most fans turned on him well before he was bought out.

Bad contract or not, a poor 48 games apparently wipes away 4 solid seasons in the minds of many.
I think there's more to it than that. Grabo doesn't fit into the current team any longer. I myself loved Grabo but I also recognize he is a train wreck under Carlyle.

Fans like myself haven't turned on Grabo, we just recognize that he is ineffective as a #3C. There are many teams where Grabovski can score 25+ goals, the Leafs just are no longer one of them.

It's not 48 games but the 70+ that he played under Carlyle. Poor guy tried, he really did but watching him get pasted in the boards night in and night out trying to play Carlyle's system was just hard to watch some nights.

I really hope he signs with the right team and resumes his career. Grabo is a fantastic player, albeit with limitations.

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#CapitalsTalk McPhee on staying quiet in free agency: 'It wasnít a great pool of players to invest in, so we didnít.'

Does that means Caps are out on Grabo?? Where is this guy gonna sign?
Yup. McPhee also said that Brooks Laich will be the Caps 2C going forward.

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Semin had VALUE, coming of of a great season, grabo doesnt have that. I can claim to know anything I want to, all of the statements I said characterizing grabo were true and justified. I guarantee you clarkson will have more points then him, I wrote your name down, cant wait until 1 week becomes two I think you are trying to seem witty but its really not the case.
Hit the breaks... You guaranteed me that Grabo wasn't talking to several NHL teams. (There was a Toronto Star report saying he was about 20min ago...so which source is more credible, you or his agent?).. Also, it was the same rap with Semin, only worse ie. bad attitude, inconsistent, negative reaction from former teammates (Brouwer) in the press... Mr. Semin, patiently weighed his options, then made a decision in time and got a nice contract. Same will happen for Grabo...
I am not trying to be witty, I am using pure logic. I said that you cannot guarantee anything unless you can for see the future. Just because you have a list of reasons (which is bias) to support your speculation, doesn't mean you are correct, hence you cannot guarantee anything. So either you don't understand the definition of the word, or you think you can see the future? So you cannot further guarantee me that Clarkson will outscore Grabo. You are entitled to speculate, as am I, which is why we now have a bet going, but no guarantees.

Also, note that Clarkson has made off with one good year statistically. Being a Kovy fan I have seen plenty of Clarkson... Look at Clarksons big year (thats being generous for 46 points) - he was getting powerplay time on a very fruitful power play which featured Parise and Kovalchuk... Look what happened this year, Kovy slumped, no Parise and already a dip in production for Clarkson. He will fit Carlyle's system better than Grabo, but Grabo has hit 20g already 3 x and Clarkson only once. Every player has that big year where they land with the right guys and things are clicking for them, I think that year already happened for Clarkson, I just don't see it happening again... So bets on. Better hope Caps don't pick up Grabo and put him on the PP, but if he goes to Winterpeg I'm about screwed

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#CapitalsTalk McPhee on staying quiet in free agency: 'It wasnít a great pool of players to invest in, so we didnít.'

Does that means Caps are out on Grabo?? Where is this guy gonna sign?
They can't afford him anyway.

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They can't afford him anyway.
Yes, the Caps can afford him. Caps went after Lecavalier. If they went after Lecavalier, then they can afford Grabovski. McPhee is content with his current lineup because that is what owner Ted Leonsis wants. Caps are not going for the Cup. The owner just wants make the most money and not spend anymore, as he emphasizes his focus on his basketball team.

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Hmmmm....

Winnipeg seems like the best fit IMO. Would be a perfect guy to play with Kane.....however what do they do with Jokinen and would Grabo want to go there?

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Grabo on the Isles with the addition of PMB would take them from number 8 in GF to maybe even #3

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Most fans turned on him well before he was bought out.

Bad contract or not, a poor 48 games apparently wipes away 4 solid seasons in the minds of many.
Yet Dave Bolland is the saviour who had an equally poor year, playing with Patrick Kane for a big portion of it.

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Hmmmm....

Winnipeg seems like the best fit IMO. Would be a perfect guy to play with Kane.....however what do they do with Jokinen and would Grabo want to go there?
Now that Burmistrov is off to the KHL we have room for an upgrade at 2nd line center. It would definitely be a "make the playoffs NOW" type move though as it would (rightfully) bump Jokinen to the 3rd line. It would be taking up a guaranteed center spot that fans are hoping Scheifele could seize though.

Grabovski always struck me as an exceptional possession and zone entry player. And he seems to hustle all the time. As long as its one or two years why not bring him in and have some actual forward depth?

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