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07-05-2013, 09:39 PM
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All the problems of Chicago with none of the success!

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Its why some fans believe Kessel is the best asset and option in trade to bring in a #1 center and or top pairing DMan to build up core positions.

Move strength from the Wings towards strength down the middle or defense to "build from the goalie out, with strong defense and strength down the middle" a blue print we hear Nonis\Carlyle quoting. Leafs presently have > $20 mil allocated to their top 4 wingers (Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson and JVR) and its also their 4 highest paid forwards. While giving Kessel a +$2-3 mil raise will make the wing position even more costly and less room for core positions.

If you're tight against the cap you need to move money around and apply it towards your most important positions with higher priorities.

Chicago has\had their strength down the middle (Toews, Sharp, Bolland) and defense (Keith, Seabrook) that they have been successful with, following the standard team building blue print. Lots of self drafted and developed players on the Hawks roster and they regularly insert AHLers to supplement their stars based on strong drafting.

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I would rather have Gunnarsson than Franson, if it came down to that.

Gunnarsson is a 3 zone reliable Dman, while Franson is an Offensive zone specialist. We need more of the former.

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Its why some fans believe Kessel is the best asset and option in trade to bring in a #1 center and or top pairing DMan to build up core positions.

Move strength from the Wings towards strength down the middle or defense to "build from the goalie out, with strong defense and strength down the middle" a blue print we hear Nonis\Carlyle quoting. Leafs presently have > $20 mil allocated to their top 4 wingers (Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson and JVR) and its also their 4 highest paid forwards.

If you're tight against the cap you need to move money around and apply it towards your most important positions with higher priorities.

Chicago has\had their strength down the middle (Toews, Sharp, Bolland) and defense (Keith, Seabrook) that they have been successful with, following the standard team building blue print.
Is that why Handzus the great played #2C?

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07-05-2013, 09:45 PM
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Its why some fans believe Kessel is the best asset and option in trade to bring in a #1 center and or top pairing DMan to build up core positions.

Move strength from the Wings towards strength down the middle or defense to "build from the goalie out, with strong defense and strength down the middle" a blue print we hear Nonis\Carlyle quoting. Leafs presently have > $20 mil allocated to their top 4 wingers (Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson and JVR) and its also their 4 highest paid forwards.

If you're tight against the cap you need to move money around and apply it towards your most important positions with higher priorities.

Chicago has\had their strength down the middle (Toews, Sharp, Bolland) and defense (Keith, Seabrook) that they have been successful with, following the standard team building blue print. Lots of self drafted and developed players on the Hawks roster and they regularly insert AHLers to supplement their stars based on strong drafting.
For the last time, Handzus was Chicago's 2nd line center. Sharp is a winger, A WINGER!!!! Bolland was given 2nd line center for large streches the last 2 years, he couldn't cut it. We're missing a no.1 guy.

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All the problems of Chicago with none of the success!

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Nonis ********ed up our cap situtation. Good job.

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Nonis ********ed up our cap situtation.
Nonis did a great job today and showed Kessel he was serious about competing. Our cap is fine. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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We have 11.5 mill to sign kadri gunnarson franson and colborne
4.0, 3.25, 3.25, 1
cap geek counts holzers cap in dere.

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Nonis did a great job today and showed Kessel he was serious about competing. Our cap is fine. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Point by point refutation, nice.

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I am a firm believer in building from the net out and through the middle.

We have allocated too much money on the wings in my opinion. We needed a couple cheap wingers and improved D corpse.

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We've gone from a team with no cap problems to a team with cap problems.
No, they were there yesterday too. Some just weren't looking far enough ahead.

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I am a firm believer in building from the net out and through the middle.

We have allocated too much money on the wings in my opinion. We needed a couple cheap wingers and improved D corpse.
Positions in order of priority of successful team building.

1) Goalie
2) Defense
3) Center
4) Wingers

Leafs top 4 paid forwards are all wingers that consume more than $20 mil in cap alone.. We're in a position of deciding how much of big raise Leafs are about to pay Kessel, making the wing position even more expensive at the expense of the other more important positions.

Is there another NHL team that has their highest paid players\forwards all wingers?

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Leafs are tight this year, but so is everyone. Just the nature of the big cap drop. With the cap estimated at 70 or more for 2014-15, along with our Buyouts and Retained Salary no longer being on the books we will be fine after this season as that is 8 million or so that opens up. Phaneuf with a million raise and kessel with a 2.5 and were still good, and those are over estimates for their raises. Leafs just gotta tough this season out cap wise, as do most teams. Getting rid of Liles even for just a 3rd or something would go a long way in helping us this year and next aswell.

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Nonis did a great job today and showed Kessel he was serious about competing. Our cap is fine. You have no idea what you are talking about.
look again genius.

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Positions in order of priority of successful team building.

1) Goalie
2) Defense
3) Center
4) Wingers

Leafs top 4 paid forwards are all wingers that consume more than $20 mil in cap alone.. We're in a position of deciding how much of big raise Leafs are about to pay Kessel, making the wing position even more expensive at the expense of the other more important positions.

Is there another NHL team that has their highest paid players\forwards all wingers?
Minnesota? Washington? I'm not sure just guessing.

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I can't believe after this season that there are so few people that believe Kadri can be a number 1 centre. What more do you want? Let him develop and upgrade the D and we're fine.

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Positions in order of priority of successful team building.

1) Goalie
2) Defense
3) Center
4) Wingers

Leafs top 4 paid forwards are all wingers that consume more than $20 mil in cap alone.. We're in a position of deciding how much of big raise Leafs are about to pay Kessel, making the wing position even more expensive at the expense of the other more important positions.

Is there another NHL team that has their highest paid players\forwards all wingers?
Chicago has Hossa, Kane, Sharp, Bickel. Thats a lot of money on the wings.

Only good center they have is Toews.

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I can't believe after this season that there are so few people that believe Kadri can be a number 1 centre. What more do you want? Let him develop and upgrade the D and we're fine.
I wanted a strong two-way center to compliment Kadri. Neither Bolland or Bozak are good enough.

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Leafs are tight this year, but so is everyone. Just the nature of the big cap drop.
Actually the Cap went down by ~$5 mil and Leafs letting Connolly ($4.75) walk away as a UFA without replacement already addressed the cap reduction essentially via his contract expiring naturally.

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Who were the people telling me I was crazy for being so pessimistic about our cap situation just a week or so ago? You see it now?

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Who were the people telling me I was crazy for being so pessimistic about our cap situation just a week or so ago? You see it now?
Kessel/Phaneuf/Gardiner/Reimer/Kulemin/Bolland/McClement next year

GOOD LUCK!!

The only guy that might not be there is Reimer if Bernier establishes himself.


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We still have 2 more months to ponder on how to use our remaining cap space on our RFA until September...I can't wait to see them get back on the ice...

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Kessel/Phaneuf/Gardiner/Reimer/Kulemin/Bolland/McClement next year

GOOD LUCK!!

The only guy that might not be there is Reimer if Bernier establishes himself.
Realistically, we're now putting all ours eggs in the "Morgan Rielly must be ready to replace Phaneuf by 2014" basket.

There's no other way to sign all these guys.

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JVR (4.25) - Bozak (4.2) - Kessel (5.4)
Lupul (5.25) - Kadri (?) - Clarkson (5.25)
D'Amigo (1.08) - Bolland (3.375) - Kulemin (2.8)
McLaren (.7) - McClement (1.5) - Orr (.925)

Phaneuf (6.5) - Gunnarsson (?)
Gardiner (1.1) - Franson (?)
Holzer (.787) - Brennan (.6)/Granberg (.9)/Blacker (.87) - One gets 3rd pairing and the other gets 7th D

Reimer (1.8)
Bernier (2.9)

A couple of things:

1) Would a 3rd pairing of Holzer with either Brennan/Granberg/Blacker make you really really nervous or is that something people think can work given sheltered minutes under Carlyle?

2. If we go with this option which includes trading Liles (and taking Granberg and Blacker's cap hits because they're the highest of the 3, the Leafs are left with $14, 693,333.

That's definitely enough money to sign Kadri, Franson and Gunnarsson. Even if you paid each of them 4M, that still leaves more than 2M in cap space and the possibility of packaging our young d showcased (Holzer, Blacker, Granberg, Brennan) + prospects/picks for a #2 D (assuming that a combination of Liles, prospects and picks can't land us a #2). I'm just rambling right now so if you think I'm insane, I won't be offended. I haven't gone through it thoroughly and I admittedly don't know much about the development of Holzer (haven't seen him since he was demoted), or Blacker, Granberg or Brennan.

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I wanted a strong two-way center to compliment Kadri. Neither Bolland or Bozak are good enough.
Bolland when completely healthy is one of the best third line centres in the league. Bozak I think would excell in a second line role. You can't always get what you want unfortunately but those two should hold up the 2/3 centre spots just fine. If you still don't think so then worst case scenario you wait for Gauthier to develop lol.

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Minnesota? Washington? I'm not sure just guessing.
Mikko Koivu and Nick Backstrom both centers are among those teams top paid forwards.

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