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06-11-2005, 07:23 PM
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Certainly not. In today's NHL there are only a select few who deserve to be referred to as PPG players. Although Havlat has the potential, he doesn't deserve to yet be referred to as such. If you're certain Sens fans are going to lambast Ruutu as an unproven player, then don't refer to their own 'unproven' Havlat as a 'PPG player'.
68 points divided by 68 games = 1 point per game. He's a point per game player, end of story. 68 games is more a large enough sample size to be statistically reliable. Jeez, it's not like he played 27.

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Martin Havlat works just fine.


Personally, I'm gonna go with Mark Ten Hard Hat. Who's with me?

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68 points divided by 68 games = 1 point per game. He's a point per game player, end of story. 68 games is more a large enough sample size to be statistically reliable. Jeez, it's not like he played 27.
Actually he's not a point per game player. 219 points in 280 games...end of story.

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Actually he's not a point per game player. 219 points in 280 games...end of story.
I agree. One season does not give enough merit to be labelled a PPG player, if that is the case, Cory Stillman should be given the same status as well.

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Actually he's not a point per game player. 219 points in 280 games...end of story.
By that defenition the only ppg players in the nhl are

Steve Yzerman
Joe Sakic
Ron Francis
Luc Robitaille
Mario Lemieux
Jaromir Jagr
Eric Lindros
Sergei Federov
Peter Forsberg
Mats Sundin
Mike Modano
Alexander Mogilny

But the only players that scored at a ppg last year were Sakic and Forsberg so by your defenition the only ppg players in the NHL are Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic.

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06-11-2005, 09:11 PM
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By that defenition the only ppg players in the nhl are

Steve Yzerman
Joe Sakic
Ron Francis
Luc Robitaille
Mario Lemieux
Jaromir Jagr
Eric Lindros
Sergei Federov
Peter Forsberg
Mats Sundin
Mike Modano
Alexander Mogilny

But the only players that scored at a ppg last year were Sakic and Forsberg so by your defenition the only ppg players in the NHL are Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic.
That pretty much sums it up how I feel that term should be used. I'd add players like Thornton, Hossa, Bertuzzi, Naslund and a few others as well since they've hit the PPG pace in numerous seasons--unlike Havlat.

Are you willing to call Cory Stillman a 'point per game' player? I'm not.


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Havlat is a very good offensive player. Maybe great someday. Fairly apparent though that a lot of people haven't seen Ruutu play much. Ask Joe Sakic what he thinks after he had to go back for his jock in Colorado. Ask the 3 guys Ruutu got around playing for Finland & scoring the most spectacular goal of the tournament. Physical play is the biggest difference between these 2 guys.

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That pretty much sums it up how I feel that term should be used. I'd add players like Iginla, Hossa, Bertuzzi, Naslund and a few others as well since they've hit the PPG pace in numerous seasons--unlike Havlat.

Are you willing to call Cory Stillman a 'point per game' player? I'm not.
Actually, Iginla's only hit it once, Bertuzzi only twice, and Hossa only twice. Hossa can get the benefit of the doubt though, as he's hit it twice in the past 2 seasons. Iginla hasn't been ppg since 01-02.

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Actually, Iginla's only hit it once, Bertuzzi only twice, and Hossa only twice. Hossa can get the benefit of the doubt though, as he's hit it twice in the past 2 seasons. Iginla hasn't been ppg since 01-02.
touche ... and fixed.

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That pretty much sums it up how I feel that term should be used. I'd add players like Thornton, Hossa, Bertuzzi, Naslund and a few others as well since they've hit the PPG pace in numerous seasons--unlike Havlat.

Are you willing to call Cory Stillman a 'point per game' player? I'm not.
Ok another question... do you consider Alfredsson a PPG player? He's done 4 times in his career:

99-00 ==> 58GP: 21G + 38A = 59PTS
00-01 ==> 68GP: 24G + 46A = 70PTS
02-03 ==> 78GP: 27G + 51A = 78PTS
03-04 ==> 77GP: 32G + 48A = 80PTS

He's consistently been right at or just below PPG the last 5 seasons, but is still <PPG for his career (629GP 568PTS). I consider him a proven PPG before Hossa. Just thought I'd throw the question out there since he hadn't been mentioned yet.

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Havlat is a very good offensive player. Maybe great someday. Fairly apparent though that a lot of people haven't seen Ruutu play much. Ask Joe Sakic what he thinks after he had to go back for his jock in Colorado. Ask the 3 guys Ruutu got around playing for Finland & scoring the most spectacular goal of the tournament. Physical play is the biggest difference between these 2 guys.
As pretty as Ruutu's goal was, Kovalev's actually stunned me into silence.

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Ok another question... do you consider Alfredsson a PPG player? He's done 4 times in his career:

99-00 ==> 58GP: 21G + 38A = 59PTS
00-01 ==> 68GP: 24G + 46A = 70PTS
02-03 ==> 78GP: 27G + 51A = 78PTS
03-04 ==> 77GP: 32G + 48A = 80PTS

He's consistently been right at or just below PPG the last 5 seasons, but is still <PPG for his career (629GP 568PTS). I consider him a proven PPG before Hossa. Just thought I'd throw the question out there since he hadn't been mentioned yet.
Yep.

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06-12-2005, 03:25 PM
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If Ottawa had a legit 1st line LW'er and/or 1st line center to play with Alfie since Yashin left Alfredsson's stats would be even more sick.

Our best forward IMO, though all of Havlat, Spezza, and Hossa will likely pass him soon. The latter is <-> this close already, but right now I'd put them on equal footing.

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Disgruntled, Kovalev's was nice. I'm such a homer.

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