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Is Mike Gillis a good GM?

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07-07-2013, 06:25 PM
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Do you really believe this? If you play easy teams you are more likely to do better against elite teams...
Apparently so do 100% of NHL coaches. You have the game in the bag, you rest your top players for the next game.

HFboards really has some non-thinkers in here don't they.

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07-07-2013, 06:31 PM
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Its easier to play other teams hard when you have such a soft schedule against your division.
Yeah, it's easy to travel more than every other team too right?

Never mind the fact teams actually get up to play the powerhouse Canucks - unlike they do for crappy teams like the Leafs/Flames/Oilers.

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07-07-2013, 06:33 PM
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Yeah, it's easy to travel more than every other team too right?
Canucks don't have the worst travel schedule. We didn't even crack the top-5 last season.

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07-07-2013, 06:36 PM
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Canucks don't have the worst travel schedule. We didn't even crack the top-5 last season.
Last year wasn't a full season, they didn't play outside of their conference. It's much different in a full season like in 2011 and 2012 when they won the Presidents Trophy.

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07-07-2013, 07:01 PM
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Canucks don't have the worst travel schedule. We didn't even crack the top-5 last season.
What about the previous 41 seasons?

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07-07-2013, 07:06 PM
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LOL, Vancouver got to beat up on Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, and Calgary for the last 3 -4 years. That is impressive?

Get real.
Thus why I pointed out if the Canucks win the division this season I'd call him a pretty good GM. Right now he's got nothing going for him other than a moderatly well priced aging core. If he turns that into winning this new division that's pretty impressive.

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07-07-2013, 07:14 PM
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Cry me a river. We can all make excuses. Year after year Vancouver has failed with a very good core group of players. Injuries are part of the game, Canucks aren't any exception.
Not seeing the point. That team he assembled could easily have won a cup if they'd been as injury free as the Bruins. Bad luck doesn't make a bad GM.

But yeah, he should have canned AV earlier. It was so obvious that the room wasn't listening (in fact, they made a point about how great it was that AV left nearly everything to them).

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The core was there yes, the point you and most of the other people are missing is that they accomplished nothing under Nonis the three previous years. That's why Nonis was fired. Crosby and Malkin are two of the best players in the league, currently, but they can't win a Cup by themselves. You have to surround your best players with a group that can win. This is where Nonis failed and Mike was more successful, that's all I'm saying.
So then the question is what did Gillis do that previous GM's did not to make the core as great as it has been. And this is the point the splits the Gillis lovers/defenders and haters/criticizers. If you believe that the moves Gillis made when he first got to Van are the primary reason for cores progression then you think Gillis is a top GM. If you believe that the players naturally progressed then you don't think Gillis is that great as any GM would have been able to help them reach their potential.

This is a question that I do not think there is an answer to. Many on HF feel one way or the other and will point at many different arguments (such as your yearly points or others pointing out that none of Gillis acquisitions are currently the best players at that position). But I feel without being able to know what other GM's would have done we can't know.

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