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07-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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I would not be opposed to offering Shea Weber money to Pietrangelo. I fully expect the Blues to match, but I would structure it in a way that it would hurt their bottom line.
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07-05-2013, 01:30 PM
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Dreger seems to be talking out of his ass.

Isles have like, $30 million in available cap space--there is 0% chance the Isles wouldn't be able to match.
You're right. I mean the Islanders spend right up to the cap every year, don't they?

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You're right. I mean the Islanders spend right up to the cap every year, don't they?
As I said before--look at their salaries before they decided to go full rebuild.

They spent.

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07-05-2013, 01:49 PM
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Don't forget the 4 million tied to Whitneys lame ankle.
I would offer 7.5/8yrs for Pietrangelo or maybe 5.5/8 for McDonagh
Did they change the max length when determining offersheet compensation for offersheets was 5 years? Just as an example - Pietro would be $60M/5 years = $12M per year, which results in 4 1st round DP's as compensation. $44M/5 = 8.5M per year for RMD would I think also be 4 1st round DP's as compensation.

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07-05-2013, 01:52 PM
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As I said before--look at their salaries before they decided to go full rebuild.

They spent.
You may be 100% correct, that's not my point. My point was that just because NYI has cap space does not mean they will use it.

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07-05-2013, 02:09 PM
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You're right. I mean the Islanders spend right up to the cap every year, don't they?
Last Sept. Wang got his arena issue settled, signing the Brooklyn lease. This the first season Wang gets revenue sharing. Wang + Ratner are trying to get the isles out of their Coliseum lease a yr early. It will likely come down to the arena land development bid.



.$35m extra in luxury suites + huge cable deal+ revenue sharing.

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07-05-2013, 02:11 PM
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Pretty sure the new CBA changed that rule.
It changed the rule, but that change doesn't affect Stepan because he is not arbitration eligible and cannot be protected from an offer sheet.

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07-05-2013, 02:48 PM
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Last Sept. Wang got his arena issue settled, signing the Brooklyn lease. This the first season Wang gets revenue sharing. Wang + Ratner are trying to get the isles out of their Coliseum lease a yr early. It will likely come down to the arena land development bid.



.$35m extra in luxury suites + huge cable deal+ revenue sharing.
As above, my point is that just because the Islanders have cap space to spend doesn't mean they will spend it, which is what the other poster implied.

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07-05-2013, 03:01 PM
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The offersheet game did manage to let SJ get Niemi.
My recollection was Niemi went to arbitration, and Chicago refused to pay the arbiter's decision. I think the offersheet role is a bit tenuous. You could just as easily say that their screw-up with qualifying a couple RFAs drove some salaries up enough to price Niemi (I think it was 2.5M) out of their range.

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Hopefully no one will throw money at Nyquist now when Detroit has just 2M under the cap.

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My recollection was Niemi went to arbitration, and Chicago refused to pay the arbiter's decision. I think the offersheet role is a bit tenuous. You could just as easily say that their screw-up with qualifying a couple RFAs drove some salaries up enough to price Niemi (I think it was 2.5M) out of their range.
You are correct that Niemi went to arbitration. From my perspective though, I thought that Hjalmarsson would get a deal at about $2.5M. The "extra" $1M in the offersheet ate up the available cap room and the Hawks were unable to pay the arbitrators award. It was a perfect example of a tactical way to use an offersheet to allow a poaching attempt on a 2nd asset. Of course, the Hawks were right up against the cap which isn't the case for the teams mentioned.

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Hopefully no one will throw money at Nyquist now when Detroit has just 2M under the cap.


Thanks for the idea.

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Thanks for the idea.

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we will find a way to match anything up to 3.5M but... mote than that will be tough while the return for up to 5M is not really significant.

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As above, my point is that just because the Islanders have cap space to spend doesn't mean they will spend it, which is what the other poster implied.
And crew's point is that just because they haven't spent in the rebuilding years prior to these events, it doesn't mean they won't spend.

Nor that there is even a history to compare it to given Wang's willingness to spend earlier in his tenure before the Lighthouse development plan became a political football.

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07-05-2013, 04:15 PM
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Hamonic had no chance of ever getting stolen. Isles would have paid whatever it needed to keep him.

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McDonagh would be the perfect guy for the Oilers in my mind. Would be awesome to have him playing with Justin Schultz. Don't think MacT is quite BOLD enough to try to get him though, and no doubt NYR match unless the deal is insane and completely ruins the oilers future.

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07-05-2013, 05:18 PM
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And crew's point is that just because they haven't spent in the rebuilding years prior to these events, it doesn't mean they won't spend.

Nor that there is even a history to compare it to given Wang's willingness to spend earlier in his tenure before the Lighthouse development plan became a political football.
Of course it doesn't mean they won't spend to the cap.

That said, if you're hedging your bets, which Dreger was in the original post I replied to, do you hedge towards the Islanders suddenly spending to the cap?

Of course not.

I'm not trying to get a bunch of Isles fans panties in a knot here, but get real. The odds Wang suddenly breaks open the bank to the tune of over $60 million is unlikely. Can the dude afford it? Likely. Will he? Maybe, but highly doubtful this year.

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Better hope Holmgren isn't getting bored!

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Hopefully no one will throw money at Nyquist now when Detroit has just 2M under the cap.
Detroit has over 4 million in cap space and it'd have to be a massive overpayment to rip him away from Detroit.

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07-05-2013, 06:07 PM
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I would not be opposed to offering Shea Weber money to Pietrangelo. I fully expect the Blues to match, but I would structure it in a way that it would hurt their bottom line.
7 years

Year...

1- 500k - $46 million signing bonus
2- 500k
3- 500k
4- 500k
5- 500k
6- 500k
7- 500k

7.5 mill cap hit

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07-05-2013, 06:09 PM
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Hopefully no one will throw money at Nyquist now when Detroit has just 2M under the cap.
More interested in Smith.

But over $3.2 mill to both and see what happens.

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Of course it doesn't mean they won't spend to the cap.

That said, if you're hedging your bets, which Dreger was in the original post I replied to, do you hedge towards the Islanders suddenly spending to the cap?

Of course not.

I'm not trying to get a bunch of Isles fans panties in a knot here, but get real. The odds Wang suddenly breaks open the bank to the tune of over $60 million is unlikely. Can the dude afford it? Likely. Will he? Maybe, but highly doubtful this year.
No one said they would be a cap ceiling team, they only said they would match harmonic unless it was an insane deal. You blathering on about not utilizing the whole cap is a joke when they need to spend another 12+ million just to hit the cap floor.

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07-05-2013, 07:04 PM
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As above, my point is that just because the Islanders have cap space to spend doesn't mean they will spend it, which is what the other poster implied.
Press is reporting the isles signed Hamonic to a 7 yr/ $27m extension.

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There is "talk of RFA offer sheets" every summer.

And every summer there is a token offer/signing and that is it.

Expect same this summer regardless of what the clueless coiffed one (Dreger) throws out there.

Think the salary structure is out of whack now? It would be exponentially so were GMs to start artificially raising the going rate for younger players.

They will continue to avoid NHLPA claims of collusion by putting out an odd offer sheet here or there, but nothing else.

Thankfully.

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It's funny because of all the prized RFAs out there, you'd think the Rangers would be the biggest target simply because they have quite a few to sign. They have enough space but a bloated offer sheet can really screw with their plans.

Devils have already said they'd match any offer sheet to Henrique btw.
Teams would be stupid to offer sheet a Ranger RFA. When it comes down to their team having RFAs, Sather would be stupid not to get revenge, and with a team as rich as the Rangers, no team would want a grudge by him.

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We hear about revenge offer sheets all the time but in reality, they are very hard to come to fruition. It requires some very good timing.. a team with cap space, a team without cap space that has spent a full year not negotiating with their RFAs.

Quite honestly I don't think any GM ever really cares about the revenge factor, especially in a salary cap world. Just weighing compensation vs. acquiring player.
If teams take Rangers' RFAs away, we will have enough cap space.

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