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07-05-2013, 09:28 AM
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Offer Sheets -- Pietrangelo

Twitter traffic this morning suggests that AP (among other RFAs) may get an offer sheet from another team pretty quickly today. I know Armstrong has indicated that they'll match, but, <gulp>.

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07-05-2013, 09:31 AM
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It isn't really a surprise, offer sheets are common than the vast majority of fans realise. He's happy in St. Louis, he use any potential offersheet to negotiate a better deal with the Blues rather than actually signing it.

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I think the discussion of offer sheets is pretty common. Given the cost to the offering team, a player actually being offered a sheet and signing it is much less common.

I suspect that an AP offer sheet would be tailored toward breaking the Blues' bank, much like the Shea Weber offer sheet was supposed to do to the Predators last year. Hi Toronto.

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Offer sheets like Weber got can't happen anymore.

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Good lord.

Under the current CBA, a team can offer AP a contract of 7 years. A team with lots of salary cap space (Leafs) could sign him to a deal paying him $12 million next year, $7.8 million in Year 2 (65% of Year 1) and 6 million for every year after that (50% of the highest value). I'd guess that that's probably too rich for the Blues.

More realistically, they could just offer to pay him $8.5 million a year. Also pretty rich for the Blues.

In either case, it's a contract that's designed to break the Blues' bank, much like the Shea Weber contract was designed to do last year.

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The Blues can and will match almost any offer sheet for him. Will it hurt? Yes, but Army is one of the smartest in the biz in terms of cap management. I am 99.99% positive Petro will be a Blue next season.

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The Blues can and will match almost any offer sheet for him. Will it hurt? Yes, but Army is one of the smartest in the biz in terms of cap management. I am 99.99% positive Petro will be a Blue next season.
Agreed. It still stresses me out though.

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No offer sheet of significant money can be made under the new CBA.

If one happens, it's not for the money anywhere close to what he's asking.

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The Blues can and will match almost any offer sheet for him. Will it hurt? Yes, but Army is one of the smartest in the biz in terms of cap management. I am 99.99% positive Petro will be a Blue next season.

I'll 2nd the motion Petro isn't going anywhere.

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No chance of him leaving. None.

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Yea, I'll say it again, a team can make him an offer sheet, but it won't be anywhere close to what Petro wants or to what the blues can't match. The new CBA doesn't allow that.

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Only way an offer sheet gets somewhat interesting is if Calgary offers 8.5+.

That could easily be 4 top 5 picks.

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If another team offers him 8.5+ for max term, I doubt the Blues will be able to match it. Luckily teams can't offer Weber style contracts, because the Blues would really be screwed.

If he does get an offer sheet and signs it, the Blues have no one to blame but themselves!. They keep playing cheap with all of the RFA's and it could very well cost us our best player. And if they do take the 4 1st round picks (anything less and they will match), they should just blow it up and start over, because without Petro we are a borderline playoff team and an immediate first round exit.

I don't have a good feeling about today boys and girls, I guess being a Blues fan for over 25 years has made me an eternal pessimist about this team.

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Stop making these threads, it only leads to people freaking out lol.

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A team really can't offer 8.5mil in the new CBA, but Calgary is the only team that can get close to it. However, I still don't see them doing that.

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Let's wait and see how it plays out before we start getting critical and talking blowing it up.

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A team really can't offer 8.5mil in the new CBA, but Calgary is the only team that can get close to it. However, I still don't see them doing that.
Why can't they offer $8.5m?

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Why can't they offer $8.5m?
The new CBA just doesn't allow that much cap spent on one player. It's possible, but with all the new small details regarding time of pay and the inability of keeping money in the AHL, it just makes no sense to do it. JR explained it in one of his chats I believe, I'm not sure if I'm anywhere close to complaining it correctly.

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It'd be hilarious if someone like the Leafs signed him to a huge contract, we let him go, and then we get like 4 top 10 draft picks.

I'd be very unhappy letting Pietrangelo go, but the Leafs are due for some regression next season... and moves like dropping Grabovski does not make me very hopeful for their future.

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Leafs have a good future, we'd match their offer.

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JR's understanding of the CBA and cap management is hazy at best. Hence why he was posting that Philly couldn't afford Halák the other day, despite them having enough cap space.

Teams can't heavily front load deals like the Weber deal, they can still offer big contracts. It is easier to match because of the structure limitations, but you can argue that that is offset by the fact that the RFA is hugely more favourable for making big offers. That was a bad oversight by the NHL.

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JR's understanding of the CBA and cap management is hazy at best. Hence why he was posting that Philly couldn't afford Halák the other day, despite them having enough cap space.

Teams can't heavily front load deals like the Weber deal, they can still offer big contracts. It is easier to match because of the structure limitations, but you can argue that that is offset by the fact that the RFA is hugely more favourable for making big offers. That was a bad oversight by the NHL.
Okay, got it. I mean a team like Calgary can offer Petro 8.5 if they want, but does it really make sense, especially for a team rebuilding? Not in my book. If they sign petro to big bucks than pretty soon when their draft picks are RFA's they will be handcuffed.

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I think UNSIGNED offer sheets can be pretty useful for the negotiations between Armstrong and Pietro/agent. It helps to establish his value. If he chooses to sign one, great...then the negotiating is over and the Blues just match it. But it may well be that Pietro's been asking for more than his market value, and the offer sheets (unsigned) or simple lack of any will help to demonstrate that.

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It'd be hilarious if someone like the Leafs signed him to a huge contract, we let him go, and then we get like 4 top 10 draft picks.

I'd be very unhappy letting Pietrangelo go, but the Leafs are due for some regression next season... and moves like dropping Grabovski does not make me very hopeful for their future.
yes... because geting petro for free would make them regress.... lol.... what?????

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If the Blues cannot match 7ys at 8.5 then they were never serious bidders for him...They had to know that he was going to command max term and about 7 per so the exra 1.5 should not break them.

Either that or Army was out to lunch with AP value around the league.

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