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07-05-2013, 03:42 PM
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Because it sets a precedent for other rookies?
Explain the precedent that it sets, and then maybe we can get on the same page.

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Explain the precedent that it sets, and then maybe we can get on the same page.
You show potential, we'll match the market price?

BTW if we really want to compare Leddy's contract with Spurgeon, you got to remember Leddy was making a ton more than Spurgeon. Around 1.17 million compared to Spurgeon getting 540K. The jump for Leddy from 1.17 to 2.7 isn't as huge as Spurgeon going from 540K to 2.66 million. If anything I still see Raphael Diaz's contract as a better equivalent than Leddy, maybe a tad bit more for Spurgeon due his potential.

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they're about as valuable. Leddy has more potential but Spurge has played a more important role here with no ready replacement. i think Leddy was overpaid too.

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I've been told, by you, that "every little bit counts"
Correct. A little bit here and a little bit there makes the difference between still having Tom Gilbert on defense versus a Clayton Stoner. Case in point this offseason how it adds up.

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they're about as valuable. Leddy has more potential but Spurge has played a more important role here with no ready replacement. i think Leddy was overpaid too.
Fair enough.

It'll be interesting to see what Minnesota does with Coyle, Zucker, Granlund and Brodin.

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Correct. A little bit here and a little bit there makes the difference between still having Tom Gilbert on defense versus a Clayton Stoner. Case in point this offseason how it adds up.
Rabble, rabble, "I hope this garbage team gets swept out of the playoffs", rabble, rabble.

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And Kuba was our #1 defenseman for years. Also Gilbert was our number 1 defenseman for stretches at a time. His durability has me a bit concerned (he has a few injuries the past few seasons).

The contract is bad when you are pushing up against the cap. Spurgeon hasn't shown enough to warrant a big contract yet. I mean if that's the case, should we give Brodin 6 million? Zucker 4-5 million? Spurgeon was a cost-controlled player. He wasn't going to hit free agency if we didn't sign him back immediately. So why didn't Fletcher push for a discount and tell Spurgeon to prove it? Show that you can be a healthy top 4 defenseman these next two years and then we'll talk about a very large extension.
We're in a poor position cap-wise because of other decisions. Our forward group is making far too high % of our cap to be a middling group. Our 4th line wingers are slated to make basically what our 2nd d pairing will make with this "albatross" contract.

There was a time when 2nd contracts were smaller but that time has passed. They aren't UFA value mostly, but they are bigger than they were. People praised Fletcher for his Clutterbuck extension 3 years ago when he was a 3rd line winger for 1.4M, but now he's an idiot for giving a top-4 d-man 2.66M?

Right now I'd say Brodin is lining himself up for a nice payday on his 2nd contract, and if he's a #2 d-man, that's perfectly fine. Zucker doesn't warrant anything at this point really, he hasn't even established himself as a full-time NHLer. By comparison, Devin Setoguchi had 60+ NHL goals in 3 seasons and got 1.8M on his 2nd deal(1-year), before signing his 3/9M as a RFA coming off a 22g season.

As for what Spurgeon's next contract is, who knows. Who knows what the cap will be and if we'll improve the D to the point that he's not needed in the top-4.

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Correct. A little bit here and a little bit there makes the difference between still having Tom Gilbert on defense versus a Clayton Stoner. Case in point this offseason how it adds up.
Except Jared Spurgeon isn't the reason we bought out Tom Gilbert. Tom Gilbert himself is the main reason he was bought out, though was required because we have many overpaid forwards on this roster, though none to the extent Gilbert was overpaid.

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Slightly more than expected, but fits the role/experience of the player. The deal is solid. May actually be a bit of a bargain in yr 3.
That's the hope.

I just hope he spends the summer learning to hold the zone - he should pay Suter to teach him; yet another area at which #20 excels.

I'm happy for Spurgeon; his story will give hope to developmental camp invitees everywhere.

From this:


To this:


All in a few short years.

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I am not happy with three years nor the 2.6, both seem too high for what he brings.

I hope Fletch knows what he is doing and that this works out for the better...

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07-05-2013, 11:09 PM
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That's the hope.

I just hope he spends the summer learning to hold the zone - he should pay Suter to teach him; yet another area at which #20 excels.

I'm happy for Spurgeon; his story will give hope to developmental camp invitees everywhere.

All in a few short years.
Very short years, he literally hasn't grown a lick since we picked him up.

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07-06-2013, 12:08 AM
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Very short years, he literally hasn't grown a lick since we picked him up.
Its not all about height. Hes a thick kid. Hard to knock off the puck. He can push anyone around.

please don't believe this

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Well, GMCF pretty much had no choice.

Didn't think Spurgeon had that much of leverage honestly.
That's just the things tho..... The players do NOT have that much leverage this off-season. They just agreed to a CBA that gives them a smaller piece of the pie. The players will have to bite the bullet and sign smaller contracts until the cap gets back up to $70+ million (which could be just a few years if the NHL continues solid growth)

IMO, neither Cooke nor Spurgeon should have gotten more than Torrey Mitchell did last off-season.

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This cap hit isn´t so bad if the cap rises again next season to about 70 Mil.

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This cap hit isn´t so bad if the cap rises again next season to about 70 Mil.
Based on revenue projections, we're looking at a cap of $75m actually...

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Based on revenue projections, we're looking at a cap of $75m actually...
That is absolutely insane.

But oh well. Pominville's extenstion,plus Zucker's new contract, tthen saving for the other younger players would cover most of it.

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That is absolutely insane.

But oh well. Pominville's extenstion,plus Zucker's new contract, tthen saving for the other younger players would cover most of it.
With enough leftovers for Vanek ()

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That is absolutely insane.

But oh well. Pominville's extenstion,plus Zucker's new contract, tthen saving for the other younger players would cover most of it.
Thats what Stan Bowman projects. And he is about a million too low. This is what it will be if NHL continues the same growth.


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Remember during the last CBA the cap went from 39M to 70M. Same pattern, just bigger numbers.

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With enough leftovers for Vanek ()
There is plenty leftover with that big an increase. I feel better about Vanek coming here than I did Parise/Suter


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Not a bad signing. He plays good minutes for us. I like it

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He needs to be meaner though in an responsible way.....

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Considering that it's for 3 years, and he still has a lot of upside, I like it. I agree that it's more than I expected, but I also hope that he can finally prove himself as a top-4 D-man.

To be honest, I'm just glad that we got to keep him. Would've been tough to see him going to somewhere like EDM or VAN. They don't deserve him.

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Hes got a ring on his finger Puhis, you're a no go.

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Hes got a ring on his finger Puhis, you're a no go.
I didn't mean it that way, you silly thing.

I saved it in case someone calls him a skinny toothpick with no muscle again.

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I didn't mean it that way, you silly thing.

I saved it in case someone calls him a skinny toothpick with no muscle again.
uh huh. Yea. Suuuuuuuuuure.

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Of all the moves the Wild made over the past week, this is the one that has me scratching my head the most. I think $2.66 m AAV is too much for a PP specialist. Prove me wrong Spurg!!!!

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Of all the moves the Wild made over the past week, this is the one that has me scratching my head the most. I think $2.66 m AAV is too much for a PP specialist. Prove me wrong Spurg!!!!
I think this sums up our thoughts.

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