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07-05-2013, 02:10 PM
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I was being sarcastic. I don't necessarily like the Goulbourne pick, but I am not questioning about it (as I pointed out in the Goulbourne thread...I know nothing about him or the other available options, so I am not going to say it was a bad pick because I read a Tweet somewhere that said there was a bette rplayer available).
Hopefully we will come out golden with the lad !

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All I can say is that I much prefer Lecavalier's deal to any of the deals for other comparable players signed today.

Horton: 7 yrs, $5.30m
Clarkson: 7 yrs, $5.25m
Clowe: 5 yrs, $4.85m
Weiss: 5 yrs, $4.94m
Lecavalier: 5 yrs, $4.50m
Bozak: 5 yrs, $4.20m

I believe Vinny is the best player out of those 5, and he's cheaper than all but Bozak, who I'd say is the worst of the bunch, and tied for the shortest deal.

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07-05-2013, 02:13 PM
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All I can say is that I much prefer Lecavalier's deal to any of the deals for other comparable players signed today.

Horton: 7 yrs, $5.30m
Clarkson: 7 yrs, $5.25m
Clowe: 5 yrs, $4.85m
Weiss: 5 yrs, $4.94m
Lecavalier: 5 yrs, $4.50m
Bozak: 5 yrs, $4.20m

I believe Vinny is the best player out of those 5, and he's cheaper than all but Bozak, who I'd say is the worst of the bunch, and tied for the shortest deal.
That Clarkson deal is really bad.

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07-05-2013, 02:13 PM
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As of right now, I'm very pleased with how this has gone down. Let's go Flyers!!!!!

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07-05-2013, 02:16 PM
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Practice isn't the same as NHL game experience. Your argument about captains also makes no sense whatsoever. So if someone has the C that somehow guarantees that they have leadership experience? So there's never been a bad captain in the history of the NHL? How do you know Lecavalier has leadership ability? Answer that question and I'll leave it be.

The money Streit got isn't the problem, it's the length.
I actually think on the faceoff % thing that Couturier will be helped by Lecavalier being there, as he will have less responsibility on faceoffs (in numbers and situational context)... much of the year he was taking the most faceoffs after Giroux, and most of the 'important' ones; against faceoff specialists in his own zone vs 1st line, (which in itself means his % was affected) he needs time to let him focus on 'the art' of the faceoff.

Couts was a great faceoff guy at juniors, give him time and support and I imagine he will be at ~54% in 3 years. (Going off progression averages of other NHL centres from NHL debut.)

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Filppula just signed for 5 years, $5m AAV. I'll take Vinny over that too.

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07-05-2013, 03:12 PM
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Honestly I am pretty excited for the off season. Got Rid of Bryz and got Emery 4 million cheaper. We got rid of Briere for Vinny (at a better deal than other UFA's) saved 2 million in cap space, and we got Streit the best puck moving D man of the UFA crop (even though the deal is too long).

Most importantly, none of the young guys got traded. How can anyone complain?

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07-05-2013, 03:21 PM
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Honestly I am pretty excited for the off season. Got Rid of Bryz and got Emery 4 million cheaper. We got rid of Briere for Vinny (at a better deal than other UFA's) saved 2 million in cap space, and we got Streit the best puck moving D man of the UFA crop (even though the deal is too long).

Most importantly, none of the young guys got traded. How can anyone complain?
This. All of it.

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07-05-2013, 03:24 PM
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Honestly I am pretty excited for the off season. Got Rid of Bryz and got Emery 4 million cheaper. We got rid of Briere for Vinny (at a better deal than other UFA's) saved 2 million in cap space, and we got Streit the best puck moving D man of the UFA crop (even though the deal is too long).

Most importantly, none of the young guys got traded. How can anyone complain?
Sums it up nicely. I'm very happy with this off-season assuming no more movement (outside of the rumored Gagne signing).

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07-05-2013, 03:33 PM
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Listening to Sports Net radio...in talking about how TML are going to miss the playoffs one of them just said assume the Flyers are probably going to be a little better even though you never know what might happen.

Seriously? Are we totally off base here thinking that Homer is making the right moves?

Or are the Toronto media just idiots?

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In the same vein, the Capitals board almost unanimously think their current lineup is better than ours.

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Listening to Sports Net radio...in talking about how TML are going to miss the playoffs one of them just said assume the Flyers are probably going to be a little better even though you never know what might happen.

Seriously? Are we totally off base here thinking that Homer is making the right moves?

Or are the Toronto media just idiots?
As far as I can tell, the media in general are idiots, Toronto no exception The only thing we really haven't addressed is the need for #1 d-man. Lots of time left though, so hang onto your hats!

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07-05-2013, 03:36 PM
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In the same vein, the Capitals board almost unanimously think their current lineup is better than ours.

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Lol, let them. Guess we shall see when it matters !

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Of all of UFA players the most intriguing to me was Stephen Weiss, I think he is a big time diamond in the rough type player .

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Of all of UFA players the most intriguing to me was Stephen Weiss, I think he is a big time diamond in the rough type player .
I'm hearing alot about injuries with him? I think I'm glad we stayed away.

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I'm hearing alot about injuries with him? I think I'm glad we stayed away.
He has missed with injuries off and on........Heck of a clutch guy in the slot when he is healthy.

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This is one of Homers best offseasons, if not the best. The buyouts were the right moves, the draft was great (despite what many of you say on here who seem to value only points per game), his signings are great, and for the right dollars.

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This is one of Homers best offseasons, if not the best. The buyouts were the right moves, the draft was great (despite what many of you say on here who seem to value only points per game), his signings are great, and for the right dollars.
I wish Streit and Lecavalier were both signed for one year shorter, but whatever. Consider the alternatives: trading away Schenn or Couts, signing a goalie for a million years, overpaying in dollars and screwing the cap up, etc, etc.

I am so pumped for this season. I think the Flyers are going to be back BIG TIME!!!

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1.) PMD: check
2.) Replace Danny B: check huge upgrade with Vincent
3.) Sign goalie: check
4.) Get rid of Bryz: check
5.) Sign G: check



6.) Keep the schenns and Couts: BIG CHECK

the only thing missing is a true #1 D' maybe trading Mez for cap space, and resigning Brayden and Sean.

Homer has done amazing this offseason. Covered our needs while not blowing up the team. I can not wait for the puck to drop in September.

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1.) PMD: check
2.) Replace Danny B: check huge upgrade with Vincent
3.) Sign goalie: check
4.) Get rid of Bryz: check
5.) Sign G: check



6.) Keep the schenns and Couts: BIG CHECK

the only thing missing is a true #1 D' maybe trading Mez for cap space, and resigning Brayden and Sean.

Homer has done amazing this offseason. Covered our needs while not blowing up the team. I can not wait for the puck to drop in September.
I do hope Homer re-signs Couts and Schenn to nice little 3 year 2.5 million per contracts. Of course, for all we know, Homer is working a trade that brings the whole offseason down...lol

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Honestly, all GMs make mistakes. I've said this before, but it really needs to be repeated.

The one difference between Holmgren and other GMs is that he realizes his mistakes once they're obvious and IMMEDIATELY sets out to correct them.

He also learns from his mistakes, and even though I know it's not true, I like to believe that sometimes he listens to us...

I mean, he pretty much did everything so far that we've been talking about.

Except Lecavalier...none of us saw that coming, and despite what every other idiot in the world thinks, that's a huge win for our franchise, particularly considering the idiotic money forked out over the past 6 hours.

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07-05-2013, 05:18 PM
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Holmgren has restocked our pool of D prospects in one weekend. He proactively sought out the solutions to our 5v5 problems and got them locked up before UFA for below market and at-market prices. He found a cheap option in net that should provide healthy competition for Mason. He's passed on most of the insanity that has occurred in the last 7 hours.

But my favorite decision he's made? Didn't get caught up in the Bobby Ryan hype. You know Anaheim called us and wanted Couturier, Schenn, or Laughton in a deal. Holmgren refused. That says a lot about his confidence in his team, and I love that he played it safe and stuck with what he had. I wouldn't have been surprised if Coburn+1st+Laughton was on the table, and I love the fact that Holmgren denied whatever the offer was.

Now he needs to hold the ship steady for the next two months and it will be an exciting season. I could stomach a Coburn trade, though, if someone gives us a good offer.

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07-05-2013, 05:23 PM
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Honestly, all GMs make mistakes. I've said this before, but it really needs to be repeated.

The one difference between Holmgren and other GMs is that he realizes his mistakes once they're obvious and IMMEDIATELY sets out to correct them.

He also learns from his mistakes, and even though I know it's not true, I like to believe that sometimes he listens to us...

I mean, he pretty much did everything so far that we've been talking about.

Except Lecavalier...none of us saw that coming, and despite what every other idiot in the world thinks, that's a huge win for our franchise, particularly considering the idiotic money forked out over the past 6 hours.
I love that people in the media and on the main boards are saying the Lecavalier deal is bad .

If you showed people these stat lines (equated to 82 games for PPY) for the last three years and told them all were aged 29-33:

66PPY average, 135 points. $4.5mill, 5 years
54PPY average, 126 points. $4.85mill, 5 years
52PPY average, 122 points. $5mill, 5 years
52PPY average, 110 points. $4.94mill, 5 years
34PPY average, 88 points. $5.25mill, 7 years

Which player would people take?

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I love that people in the media and on the main boards are saying the Lecavalier deal is bad .

If you showed people these stat lines (equated to 82 games for PPY) for the last three years and told them all were aged 29-33:

66PPY average, 135 points. $4.5mill, 5 years
54PPY average, 126 points. $4.85mill, 5 years
52PPY average, 122 points. $5mill, 5 years
52PPY average, 110 points. $4.94mill, 5 years
34PPY average, 88 points. $5.25mill, 7 years

Which player would people take?
You have to understand, it's not that he was bad last year, it's that he'll be bad next year, because, BECAUSE LOOK AT THE BRYZ CONTRACT.

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You have to understand, it's not that he was bad last year, it's that he'll be bad next year, because, BECAUSE LOOK AT THE BRYZ CONTRACT.
I lol'd.

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