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Pick a Defenseman to Trade!

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Ehrhoff 3 4.76%
Myers 11 17.46%
Weber 1 1.59%
Mcbain 7 11.11%
Pysyk 0 0%
Ruhwedel 4 6.35%
McNabb 9 14.29%
Ristolainen 2 3.17%
Zadorov 0 0%
Pardy 6 9.52%
Other 0 0%
We shouldn't trade any defense 20 31.75%
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07-05-2013, 02:19 PM
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Pick a Defenseman to Trade!

I choose McNabb. I think he'll be a sweetener in a deal this offseason. What option do you chose? And why?

I'm thinking this can be one of many moves. Miller+2nd round pick(s) +McNabb could be used to get us a veteran defenseman and two bottom six veteran centers. They can be separate deals. I think it would be worth it. We lose a little bit of youth, but we gain a ton of valuable experience.

Edit: I forgot to add McCabe. Pardy is a UFA.


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We shouldn't trade any of them. We don't know what we have in these guys yet and we frankly need them to get through the season.

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On your list: Pardy is UFA

I don't think they deal any of their d-men at this time. They don't have the depth and there aren't quality, value replacements in UFA for the most part. Let the kids learn on the job, build experience now for the near future.

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Can they afford to trade a d-man? They don't look to have much experience over the next couple of seasons and there's no telling whether the prospects pan out.

Who are the projected top 7 next year?

Myers
Ehrhoff
Weber
Pysyk
McBain
McNabb
Ristolainen?

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This seems like it came a bit late.

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On your list: Pardy is UFA

I don't think they deal any of their d-men at this time. They don't have the depth and there aren't quality, value replacements in UFA for the most part. Let the kids learn on the job, build experience now for the near future.
I'm thinking this can be one of many moves. Miller+2nd round pick(s) +McNabb could be used to get us a veteran defenseman and two bottom six veteran centers. They can be separate deals. I think it would be worth it. We lose a little bit of youth, but we gain a ton of valuable experience.

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This seems like it came a bit late.
They have a surplus of young defensemen...

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Isn't literally half of our top 6 in the last six months enough?

Do we need to promote the entire Amerks blueline at once?

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Regier sounded rather impressed with himself and his defense corps after the draft - I doubt he has any visions or willingness to deal any of Myers, Ehrhoff, Pysyk, Weber or McNabb. Dealing McBain so quick after the draft wouldn't be his MO either.

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Only five of those players will definitely be on the roster, and the rest will be competing for the last three or four roster spots, or can be sent to Rochester (OHL for Zadorov). There really isn't a surplus of D-men at all.

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Ruhwedel if he has any value...I didn't see much in the physical department from him so that makes him expendable imo

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We shouldn't trade any of them. We don't know what we have in these guys yet and we frankly need them to get through the season.
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On your list: Pardy is UFA

I don't think they deal any of their d-men at this time. They don't have the depth and there aren't quality, value replacements in UFA for the most part. Let the kids learn on the job, build experience now for the near future.
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Can they afford to trade a d-man? They don't look to have much experience over the next couple of seasons and there's no telling whether the prospects pan out.

Who are the projected top 7 next year?

Myers
Ehrhoff
Weber
Pysyk
McBain
McNabb
Ristolainen?
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Ruhwedel if he has any value...I didn't see much in the physical department from him so that makes him expendable imo
He's the Sekera replacement, especially if Risto needs time in the AHL to get used to smaller ice surface.
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Only five of those players will definitely be on the roster, and the rest will be competing for the last three or four roster spots, or can be sent to Rochester (OHL for Zadorov). There really isn't a surplus of D-men at all.
Exactly. Injuries happen. As Chain routinely notes, BUF dresses 9-11 d-men per season. And if RonRol is more anal about stick handedness for his pairs than Lindy, I expect it to be closer to 11 than 9.

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Ruhwedel if he has any value...I didn't see much in the physical department from him so that makes him expendable imo
Really?!? He's expendable after a short stint because he's not physical? I saw a very intelligent defender that was typically in good position. Especially impressive for his midseason jump from NCAA to NHL.

Im willing to move him in the right deal, but I wouldn't go calling him expendable. He had a very promising start and could show a great improvement after a full NHL offseason and training camp. And, I don't need all of my D to be bruisers. If he is good with the puck and is always in the right position to disrupt the play, I'm happy.

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They have a surplus of young defensemen...
Disagree. We'll have a surplus of young D when we have guys who deserve to be in the NHL toiling away in the minors. That's certainly not the case now. Let's wait and see if we can fill out our NHL roster with quality form this bunch first.

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Can we get a veteran up in here?

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Trade Ruhwedel.McNabb deserves a spot over him easily.Ruhwedel will be a #5 at best.McNabb has top pairing potential.

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Really?!? He's expendable after a short stint because he's not physical? I saw a very intelligent defender that was typically in good position. Especially impressive for his midseason jump from NCAA to NHL.

Im willing to move him in the right deal, but I wouldn't go calling him expendable. He had a very promising start and could show a great improvement after a full NHL offseason and training camp. And, I don't need all of my D to be bruisers. If he is good with the puck and is always in the right position to disrupt the play, I'm happy.
We literally have one guy who will definitely be on our blueline this season that could be considered "a bruiser" and that's Weber. We may not need a whole team of them, but having more than one would sure be helpful. I liked what I saw of Ruhwedel last year, but it was one hell of a small sample size. If any of our defenders were expendable I'd likely say Ruhwedel would be. He already plays a style we have plenty of on the blueline. With that said we should just stick with what we have you can never have too many quality defenders.

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If they had to move someone, Myers for a more reliable vet and gravy

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I understand our prospects are not guarantees. Which is why I want to flip one for a veteran defenseman who can play a solid 3 or so years here and help guide the young guys.


Weber
Myers
Veteran traded for
Ehrhoff


Leave the other two spots open for competition. I expect Pysyk to take one. That leave's one open for a rookie or a bottom pairing defenseman we can sign.

And we do have a surplus of defensive prospects. We don't have a surplus of NHL ready defenseman.


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Trade Ruhwedel.McNabb deserves a spot over him easily.Ruhwedel will be a #5 at best.McNabb has top pairing potential.
I think McNabb could get us a better return, and I don't think he has top pairing potential.

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Not to spin this in a different direction but another interesting question that I think you're kind of getting at would be: In 3-4 years which d-man do you think won't be in the starting 6?

1.Myers
2.Ehrhoff
3.Pysyk
4.Ristolainen
5.Zadorov
6.McNabb
7.McCabe
8.Weber
9.Ruhwedel

As of this date, my first guess would be Weber/McCabe/Ruhwedel on the outside looking in, mostly because of McNabb's size. Myers is a real wildcard for sure though.

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Not to spin this in a different direction but another interesting question that I think you're kind of getting at would be: In 3-4 years which d-man do you think won't be in the starting 6?

1.Myers
2.Ehrhoff
3.Pysyk
4.Ristolainen
5.Zadorov
6.McNabb
7.McCabe
8.Weber
9.Ruhwedel

As of this date, my first guess would be Weber/McCabe/Ruhwedel on the outside looking in, mostly because of McNabb's size. Myers is a real wildcard for sure though.
Weber and Ruhwedel are most likely on the outside looking in, given that they're likely the least innately talented of the 9 you list.

Myers, Risto, Pysyk, McCabe and Zadorov seem like locks to me to be in the top 6 after 3/4 years.

#6 to me then comes down to Ehrhoff vs. McNabb. Ehrhoff has the contract, but McNabb seems like me might fit better if we're doing the LA thing of a harder hitter and a better puck mover on each pairing.

However, McNabb's progress is concerning to me.

Ultimately, I think one of them gets traded. Ehrhoff seems like the most likely candidate if someone will swallow the term left on the deal.

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We literally have one guy who will definitely be on our blueline this season that could be considered "a bruiser" and that's Weber. We may not need a whole team of them, but having more than one would sure be helpful. I liked what I saw of Ruhwedel last year, but it was one hell of a small sample size. If any of our defenders were expendable I'd likely say Ruhwedel would be. He already plays a style we have plenty of on the blueline. With that said we should just stick with what we have you can never have too many quality defenders.
Right now this team is also short on solid defensive instinct. When Myers went out late in the season and was replaced by a college kid, the defense performed better. It was a small sample size and we don't know what he'll become, which can be said about most of our defenders, but if it came down to a choice of a defenseman that is physical and a defender that can actually play defense I'm picking option two.

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Keep em all, we don't know enough yet. Lotta youth in there, enough that from this group is going to emerge our post-rebuild d-corps. Let it emerge first, then trim the fat and tailor a contender.

Rebuild the right way: Defense FIRST.

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Six votes for Pardy. I can only hope they were for laughs.

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