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07-05-2013, 11:54 PM
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i'm kind of expecting Seto to become the next "wild killer" guy that always scores against us even if he remains generally inconsistent otherwise. plus he'll take out someone with a big hit the first game vs.
Please don't say that. Ugh.

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Please don't say that. Ugh.
0 points against the Sharks. I think we're safe.

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0 points against the Sharks. I think we're safe.
Maybe he didn't want to score against his favorite team but hates Minnesota :p (BTW that's sarcasm).

Still a baffling move.

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Very clear Fletcher didn't learn anything in any Economics classes he took.

Once the market for Setoguchi started heating up today after all the free agents had been signed, he should have listened to offers and started a bidding war, not just sold Setoguchi to the first team willing to give something.

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And you know that Winnipeg was the first team that called?

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UGH .., today is the day I lost faith in Chuck Fletcher. He seems to continually get beaten in nearly every trade.

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UGH .., today is the day I lost faith in Chuck Fletcher. He seems to continually get beaten in nearly every trade.
We don't know if Josh Ho-Sang is dropping to the second round next year.

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07-06-2013, 01:24 AM
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I would have expected to a trade centered around Seto and Burmistrov and add what is needed.

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UGH .., today is the day I lost faith in Chuck Fletcher. He seems to continually get beaten in nearly every trade.
Please name them... I do not follow.

Start post Leddy


I secretly do not believe the trade market is going to pay off for sellers right now. 2nd round pick is mostly likely the best deal... Upset it didn't happen during the draft tho, outside of that.... seto for a 2nd was the going rate, so stop %itching

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I don't like this trade. I was ready to trade Seto, but not for a god damn 2nd round pick.

I hope Fletcher has more trades coming. We still need help in our defense.

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Please name them... I do not follow.

Start post Leddy
Wins:
Eric Belanger for a 2nd
2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th
2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th
3rd round pick for James Sheppard

Losses:
Brad Staubitz for 5th round pick
Anton Khudobin for Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtonen
Darroll Powe for 3rd round pick
Jason Pominville + 4th round pick for Johan Larsson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
Devin Setoguchi for 2nd round pick

Meh:
Future considerations for Petr Kalus
Maxim Noreau for David McIntyre
Brent Burns + 2nd round pick for Charlie Coyle, Devin Setoguchi, 1st round draft pick (both teams won and it's uncertain for now)
Marin Havlat for Dany Heatley
Future considerations for Eric Nystrom
Erik Christensen + 7th round pick for Casey Wellman
Marek Zidlicky for Kurtis Foster, Nick Palmieri, Stephane Veilleux, 2nd and 3rd round picks
Nick Schultz for Tom Gilbert
Greg Zanon for Steven Kampfer
Mike Rupp for Darroll Powe + Nick Palmieri
Chad Genoway for 7th round pick
JDD for Future Considerations
Matt Kassian for 6th round pick
Justin Falk for Benn Ferriero + 6th round pick
Nino Niederreiter for Cal Clutterbuck + 3rd round pick

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Wins:
Eric Belanger for a 2nd
2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th
2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th
3rd round pick for James Sheppard

Losses:
Brad Staubitz for 5th round pick
Anton Khudobin for Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtonen
Darroll Powe for 3rd round pick
Jason Pominville + 4th round pick for Johan Larsson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
Devin Setoguchi for 2nd round pick

Meh:
Future considerations for Petr Kalus
Maxim Noreau for David McIntyre
Brent Burns + 2nd round pick for Charlie Coyle, Devin Setoguchi, 1st round draft pick (both teams won and it's uncertain for now)
Marin Havlat for Dany Heatley
Future considerations for Eric Nystrom
Erik Christensen + 7th round pick for Casey Wellman
Marek Zidlicky for Kurtis Foster, Nick Palmieri, Stephane Veilleux, 2nd and 3rd round picks
Nick Schultz for Tom Gilbert
Greg Zanon for Steven Kampfer
Mike Rupp for Darroll Powe + Nick Palmieri
Chad Genoway for 7th round pick
JDD for Future Considerations
Matt Kassian for 6th round pick
Justin Falk for Benn Ferriero + 6th round pick
Nino Niederreiter for Cal Clutterbuck + 3rd round pick
Nino Niederreiter for Cal Clutterbuck + 3rd round pick
win times 100!!! unreal you would think otherwise.


Brad Staubitz for 5th round pick. meh, typical trade but yeah we are not lifting lord Stanleys head above ours...

Anton Khudobin for Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtonen ... no lose here, or win.

Darroll Powe for 3rd round pick... lose I agree but filled his role for the time being.

Jason Pominville + 4th round pick for Johan Larsson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick .. I still like the trade but was steep. I am shocked everyone won't let this play out. All you folks do is cry cry cry. Give it time, let this marinate

Devin Setoguchi for 2nd round pick .... this was the going rate. Not a win or a lose. Fair deal.

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Nino Niederreiter for Cal Clutterbuck + 3rd round pick
win times 100!!! unreal you would think otherwise.
I love Nino as a prospect but he can't be penciled in as anything. He's a huge boom or bust project right now. And until he shows anything in the NHL, you can't really say anything about this trade. I think Clutter would have had more of an impact for Minnesota this year (which Minnesota is aiming toward) than Nino, and that risk factor makes it a meh trade. It could be a win or a loss. But for now it's a meh.

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Brad Staubitz for 5th round pick. meh, typical trade but yeah we are not lifting lord Stanleys head above ours...
Staubitz did nothing for this organization and team. Rather have had the draft pick and rolled the dice on a prospect.

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Anton Khudobin for Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtonen ... no lose here, or win.
I count this as a loss. Terrible asset management here.

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Darroll Powe for 3rd round pick... lose I agree but filled his role for the time being.
Still a bad trade.

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Jason Pominville + 4th round pick for Johan Larsson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick .. I still like the trade but was steep. I am shocked everyone won't let this play out. All you folks do is cry cry cry. Give it time, let this marinate
What to marinate? He's part of the reason why guys like Setoguchi, Cullen, Gilbert and Clutterbuck weren't brought back. Not to mention the going rate on goaltenders and our current center depth. This was a bad trade and an even worse trade going into the off-season. Unless Pominville becomes a 30-35 goal scorer, Fletcher paid a terrible price for a guy that is slowly going to be on the downside of his career.

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Devin Setoguchi for 2nd round pick .... this was the going rate. Not a win or a lose. Fair deal.
We don't know that. But it seems like a bad trade and even a worse trade when you turn around and grab Cooke.

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I love Nino as a prospect but he can't be penciled in as anything. He's a huge boom or bust project right now. And until he shows anything in the NHL, you can't really say anything about this trade. I think Clutter would have had more of an impact for Minnesota this year (which Minnesota is aiming toward) than Nino, and that risk factor makes it a meh trade. It could be a win or a loss. But for now it's a meh.



Staubitz did nothing for this organization and team. Rather have had the draft pick and rolled the dice on a prospect.



I count this as a loss. Terrible asset management here.



Still a bad trade.



What to marinate? He's part of the reason why guys like Setoguchi, Cullen, Gilbert and Clutterbuck weren't brought back. Not to mention the going rate on goaltenders and our current center depth. This was a bad trade and an even worse trade going into the off-season. Unless Pominville becomes a 30-35 goal scorer, Fletcher paid a terrible price for a guy that is slowly going to be on the downside of his career.



We don't know that. But it seems like a bad trade and even a worse trade when you turn around and grab Cooke.
Clutters only impact is on the glass and the hit column. He is worthless. Plays out of position offensively and shoot from the worst angels.

Can't fight you on Staubitz. said my.02 already.

meh. don't agree. apples to apples I guess.

meh

Leipold made the deal and I am okay with it. Pominville is a huge asset to this club whether most like it or not. I don't care about losing Hackett or larsson... not signing Cullen (blah) or gilbert or Setoguchi... what did they do for the team last year outside of Cullen. Cullen is old, realistically he will be injured this year or next... who knows, maybe he scores 90 goals but I trust management here. they have seen him skate more than I have

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Clutters only impact is on the glass and the hit column. He is worthless. Plays out of position offensively and shoot from the worst angels.
He's not suppose to be an offensive force. That's the problem. Cooke isn't either. When we look at Clutter, he was a solid 3rd line winger with grit and tenacity.

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He's not suppose to be an offensive force. That's the problem. Cooke isn't either. When we look at Clutter, he was a solid 3rd line winger with grit and tenacity.
Clutter did almost nothing to as a grinder... He didn't bring in many penalties, bud did get called for plenty,. Seriously, what did he do well that makes people miss him?

Yeah, he slicked his hair during warm ups and yeah he had a bad ass mustache.

I couldn't be happier he is gone as a Wild fan who wants to win

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Clutter was adapting to the new NHL. He had a rough year but most of the team did too. He was young and led this team in hits. Cooke had as many hits as Setoguchi last year. He was the epitome of an energy line player.

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while i like the work you did of breaking down ind trades you also have to factor in the team results. we barely made the playoffs last year. CF does not have a good track record for results from decisions. when do you give up on mgmt? this seto trade was a huge mistake. if dismantling the team was really the plan all along we should have done it at the last trade deadline to get max value for departing players.

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Very clear Fletcher didn't learn anything in any Economics classes he took.

Once the market for Setoguchi started heating up today after all the free agents had been signed, he should have listened to offers and started a bidding war, not just sold Setoguchi to the first team willing to give something.
So you know he purposely chose not to listen to other offers and chose not to create a bidding war? DO you have his phones tapped? DO you know the possible deals he was considering? Do you know how often he was in talks with other teams? Do you think he had zero clue the value of seto and just took the very first deal?

A 2nd rounder, and perhaps a pretty high second rounded is a good return. Seto hasn't done **** since SJ on paper, and other GM"s know this.

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what % of players ever score 20G in the nhl? (you couldnt do it) seto was valuable thats why your guy fletch traded for him in the first place! 20G scorers are a dime a dozen in this beer league we call the nhl.

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Wins:
Eric Belanger for a 2nd
2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th
2nd round pick for 3rd and 4th
3rd round pick for James Sheppard

Losses:
Brad Staubitz for 5th round pick
Anton Khudobin for Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtonen
Darroll Powe for 3rd round pick
Jason Pominville + 4th round pick for Johan Larsson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
Devin Setoguchi for 2nd round pick

Meh:
Future considerations for Petr Kalus
Maxim Noreau for David McIntyre
Brent Burns + 2nd round pick for Charlie Coyle, Devin Setoguchi, 1st round draft pick (both teams won and it's uncertain for now)
Marin Havlat for Dany Heatley
Future considerations for Eric Nystrom
Erik Christensen + 7th round pick for Casey Wellman
Marek Zidlicky for Kurtis Foster, Nick Palmieri, Stephane Veilleux, 2nd and 3rd round picks
Nick Schultz for Tom Gilbert
Greg Zanon for Steven Kampfer
Mike Rupp for Darroll Powe + Nick Palmieri
Chad Genoway for 7th round pick
JDD for Future Considerations
Matt Kassian for 6th round pick
Justin Falk for Benn Ferriero + 6th round pick
Nino Niederreiter for Cal Clutterbuck + 3rd round pick
Lots and Lots of opinion in there. A number of those trades could move categories.

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Lots and Lots of opinion in there. A number of those trades could move categories.
Name them then. The only one that I could potentially see is the Nino trade and the Coyle trade (depending on how Phillips develops).

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what % of players ever score 20G in the nhl? (you couldnt do it) seto was valuable thats why your guy fletch traded for him in the first place! 20G scorers are a dime a dozen in this beer league we call the nhl.
Since the lockout about 11-12% of the players in the NHL have been 20 goal scorers. Either this is sarcasm or one of the dumbest things I've read.

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Guys I have Fletcher's phone tapped. I think he's a double agent who's trying to make us lose on purpose. We coulda got a top 10 pick for Seto, but instead he purposely chose to take a crap deal. FIRE him now i say

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Guys I have Fletcher's phone tapped. I think he's a double agent who's trying to make us lose on purpose. We coulda got a top 10 pick for Seto, but instead he purposely chose to take a crap deal. FIRE him now i say


No one is saying Seto should have netted a top pick but a young, speedy winger that has started to develop a physical side is worth more than an unknown 2nd round pick. Yes, Seto was streaky but if you're trading in your division, you make that team pay a premium.

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