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09-09-2013, 04:06 PM
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How good was Shea Weber at Sproul's age?

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How good was Shea Weber at Sproul's age?
Before turning 20:

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Before turning 20:

2001-2002 Keystone Cup Champions

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Ryan Sproul:

2012-2013 CHL Defenseman of the Year
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OHL Most Goals by Defenseman (20)
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OHL Most Points by Defenseman (66)

So in their final junior year, Sproul had better individual success, but Weber had much more team success. Sproul had a junior career 0.89 PPG while Weber had a career 0.48. Weber has always been better defensively though.

Weber made the CHL second all-star team, but after looking it up, the CHL hasn't done that for a few years now, I would assume Sproul would have made the first had it existed.

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09-10-2013, 03:36 PM
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How good was Shea Weber at Sproul's age?
Found this on HF from 2003-- a draft review.
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Weber is a tough, physical player who fills the Predators need for a big defender. Weber is most noted for his strong skating ability and his no-fear approach to playing defense. The 6-3 defenseman has the ability to physically dominate opponents and clear out players in front of the net.
The Predators thought so highly of Weber that they moved defensemen Tomas Slovak to Colorado to make room for Weber. Weber needs to add muscle to be successful in the NHL. Weber was member of the 2003 WHL Champion Kelowna Rockets this season.
This is nothing like Sproul's report. And very little I've seen from Sproul indicates he has Weber's physical ability

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Very little chance of this, IMO.
He's terrible defensively... like, literally, terrible. Two years in the AHL, minimum, IMO>

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Found this on HF from 2003-- a draft review.

Weber is a tough, physical player who fills the Predators need for a big defender. Weber is most noted for his strong skating ability and his no-fear approach to playing defense. The 6-3 defenseman has the ability to physically dominate opponents and clear out players in front of the net.

This is nothing like Sproul's report. And very little I've seen from Sproul indicates he has Weber's physical ability
Sproul was voted for 2nd best skater in Western OHL by coaches poll. So there's something like Weber, that great skating. He was voted better than the next "Crosby", Connor McDavid.

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/artic...e-coaches-poll

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2012 Choice: Ryan Sproul - The talk after the 2012 draft was that had there been another month or two in the regular season, Sproul may have been a first rounder. Last year I asked if the defenceman could live up to those expectations and take a larger than normal step forward in his development. He ended the year with 66 points in 50 games and was named the CHL Defenceman of the Year.

it's what doesn't show up on the traditional stats package that makes Nastasiuk interesting to me.

I had him on the show just a couple of weeks before the draft and was blown away. We're now into Season 9 of The Pipeline Show and over the years we have interviewed several hundreds of players but Nastasiuk stands out as one of the most composed and mature guys we've ever had on.

Having spoken with teammates of his or coaches and scouts who know him well, the reports I get about Nastasiuk rave about his character and attitude. He's a guy that gets it. He knows what is expected of him and knows what he is capable of, where his strengths are and he focuses on that. He takes pride in shutting down the opposition's top players and he can be physical and nasty without costing his team penalties.

But this year I wonder if he can expand on his repertoire. Can Zach Nastasiuk be more of an offensive player while still being as sound defensively as he has been. I'm a fan and he can play for my team any day of the week. He's got all the character in the world, I want to know if he can be more than a heart and soul player.

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09-11-2013, 07:02 PM
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Just listend to a swedish hockey podcast and one of the "experts" who is named Thomas Johansson called your d-prospect Bäckman "The best defenseman in the swedish league" and the host of the show said "surprising that he stayed here for another year".

That really was an awesome pick by you guys.

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Sproul was voted for 2nd best skater in Western OHL by coaches poll. So there's something like Weber, that great skating. He was voted better than the next "Crosby", Connor McDavid.

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/artic...e-coaches-poll
Adding to this, Sproul is an excellent skater for a big guy. He has way more speed than he has any right to, especially when he gets going. Like every big defenseman, though, he needs to get a bit more footspeed and agility.

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I'd rather him be quick than fast.

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Just listend to a swedish hockey podcast and one of the "experts" who is named Thomas Johansson called your d-prospect Bäckman "The best defenseman in the swedish league" and the host of the show said "surprising that he stayed here for another year".

That really was an awesome pick by you guys.
Yep, been a big fan ever since he was drafted. Hakkan Andersson had some good things to say about him, basically there was only one other d-man in the entire SEL he'd take over Backman: Oscar Klefbom. I am not surprised he will spend one more year in Sweden, he'll come over after next year and will likely lock down a spot in Detroit. No AHL for Mattias.

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Yep, been a big fan ever since he was drafted. Hakkan Andersson had some good things to say about him, basically there was only one other d-man in the entire SEL he'd take over Backman: Oscar Klefbom. I am not surprised he will spend one more year in Sweden, he'll come over after next year and will likely lock down a spot in Detroit. No AHL for Mattias.
I disagree with the bolded. 6'2'' 176 lbs, he has to really hit the gym this year if he were to have any chance of breaking into the NHL.

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I disagree with the bolded. 6'2'' 176 lbs, he has to really hit the gym this year if he were to have any chance of breaking into the NHL.
I disagree kid plays like lidstrom. My friends who see him tell me this. Offensively he is real deal already. Defensively makes no mistakes anymore. Just rounding out but smart great skater smooth calm etc.. He positions self and is smart enough not to use body and is just getting better than everyone over in sweden. That is saying a lot for a 20 year old kid.

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I disagree with the bolded. 6'2'' 176 lbs, he has to really hit the gym this year if he were to have any chance of breaking into the NHL.
Erik Karlsson is 175-180 lbs and won a Norris Trophy and led the league in defensive scoring.

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He'll have to make a fantastic impression to skip the AHL at this point. He'd essentially have to leapfrog Quincey AND convince the Wings that the spot wouldn't be better spent on a UFA, since they're going to have tons of cap space. He could do it, though. He just needs to pick up where he left off last season, and that'll start the conversation.

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I disagree kid plays like lidstrom. My friends who see him tell me this. Offensively he is real deal already. Defensively makes no mistakes anymore. Just rounding out but smart great skater smooth calm etc.. He positions self and is smart enough not to use body and is just getting better than everyone over in sweden. That is saying a lot for a 20 year old kid.
He plays a similar style,yes, but it is pretty irrelevant because he isn't anywhere near as good as Lidstrom and therefore we have no idea how it will work for him in North America, also Lidstrom's ability to shoot the puck is/was far better.

I still have pretty high hopes for him, and I believe he will become a good 2nd pairing two way d-man.

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IMO if the Wings are willing to let a prospect fill KFQ's roster spot next season, which seems unlikely as it is given how young the D corps are, Backman would be behind Almqvist (iirc his waiver exemption runs out next season), Jensen, Ouellet, and possibly Marchenko (if he really impresses). Judging by how management views him Ouellet seems like the most likely candidate to me, I think XO would really need to struggle in the AHL for Backman to be considered ahead of him.

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IMO if the Wings are willing to let a prospect fill KFQ's roster spot next season, which seems unlikely as it is given how young the D corps are, Backman would be behind Almqvist (iirc his waiver exemption runs out next season), Jensen, Ouellet, and possibly Marchenko (if he really impresses). Judging by how management views him Ouellet seems like the most likely candidate to me, I think XO would really need to struggle in the AHL for Backman to be considered ahead of him.
I think we're swiftly approaching the day when there will be simply too many young NHL-ish caliber defensemen. It'll be a compelling discussion next year, probably a recognized problem the year after, and then who knows. Some trades will happen, I think.

That'll be a sad day, really. We'll be like sad mama birds watching the prospects leave the nest and join other teams.

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I think we're swiftly approaching the day when there will be simply too many young NHL-ish caliber defensemen. It'll be a compelling discussion next year, probably a recognized problem the year after, and then who knows. Some trades will happen, I think.

That'll be a sad day, really. We'll be like sad mama birds watching the prospects leave the nest and join other teams.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see some guys moved off the roster to make room for the kids. Depending on what happens this year, I wouldn't be surprised if Quincey is gone after this year to make room. Lashoff has a spot now, but could easily be moved aside in a year or two. Kindl is signed to a deal that would probably be easy to move.

And some of these guys will probably just not pan out, too. Marchenko might become a really nice second pairing D, or he could just top out with GR. Sproul might never put it together. Jensen might be all promise and never lives up to it. And if everyone does pan out, it's a nice problem to have.

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, Backman would be behind Almqvist (iirc his waiver exemption runs out next season), Jensen, Ouellet, and possibly Marchenko (if he really impresses).
I think Backman is easily a better prospect than all those players, except Ouellet.

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Well if detroit sticks to how they have been he has four years backman that is lol.

I really like ouellet too. Am high on a bunch of guys. Is not too many guys who get lidstrom name at 20 though. The kid improved a ton went from bottom pair guy in wjc to top guy by end of tourney and russia game. Shows a lot he has to keep progressing but nothing at this point from any of these guys would shock me besides sproul. I think he needs some work and will take probably more than one year at this point.

Yet odder things have happened than a guy all of a sudden breaking out.

In D guys you look at how calm they are etc.. Backman seems there ouellet seemed there in camp so far. Be interesting to see how this all breaks out.

Coolest part though to me honestly is to get guys who have some skills for the power play like lidstrom rafalski's again

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I think Backman is easily a better prospect than all those players, except Ouellet.
I agree but IMO being a better prospect doesn't always mean they'll be the first to get a shot. If all of these guys have good seasons and there is an open spot on the blue line next year I'm pretty confident that Kenny and the rest of the management would lean towards the ones playing North American pro hockey over Backman's resume from Sweden. That's why I believe he'll be lower on the totem pole than his talent and potential would indicate. That being said the only reason I put Almqvist ahead of him was because unless I'm reading this wrong (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ghlight=waiver http://www.capgeek.com/waiver-calcul...o=1&Calculate=) his waiver exemption runs out next year which might force their hand if they don't want to trade him away or waive him.

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I agree but IMO being a better prospect doesn't always mean they'll be the first to get a shot. If all of these guys have good seasons and there is an open spot on the blue line next year I'm pretty confident that Kenny and the rest of the management would lean towards the ones playing North American pro hockey over Backman's resume from Sweden. That's why I believe he'll be lower on the totem pole than his talent and potential would indicate. That being said the only reason I put Almqvist ahead of him was because unless I'm reading this wrong (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ghlight=waiver http://www.capgeek.com/waiver-calcul...o=1&Calculate=) his waiver exemption runs out next year which might force their hand if they don't want to trade him away or waive him.
Honestly with good years by jensen, backman and ouellet I would say is 50/50 we even keep almqvist and that would mean we are gonna give him a shot as a specialist and he is better options than the other three for pmd and power play.

His size is a huge concern. Yes he is super smart and skilled yet I dont see him in detroit short or long term. Just my view of him. Think he has to get better scoring cause of size this year. He only projects to like 35 point guy and the other three are same with size more skill full time players who look like can be staples maybe on top two lines?

I like Almqvist just think he has a tough road ahead now. Not saying we dont offer a contract but if we do think will still be for AHL and hopes he gets better and/or bigger/stronger. He had a good year last year but think he needs a great year to get a contract from detroit. A great year. Meaning way above what he just did.

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Almquist won't play in Detroit, he could probably get an NHL contract from a team with awful defense.


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Almquist won't play in Detroit, he could probably get an NHL contract from a team with awful defense.
This year could be Almqvists last real shot at a job.
If a Red Wings powerplay D goes down, you might see Almqvist called up and given a chance.
IMO, it's got to be this year. Next year, Ouellet, Marchenko and Jensen are going to be pressing for NHL jobs

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