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08-05-2013, 01:22 AM
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Ugly squat, this is more like it:
That's less than half of the weight, obviously he's in better form. That might be around JMFJ's max.

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08-05-2013, 10:30 AM
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That's less than half of the weight, obviously he's in better form. That might be around JMFJ's max.
Maybe i'm stupid but I don't understand what you mean here?

My point is, if you're gonna squat, do it properly, and clearly below paralell... JJ is doing some kind of1/4s squats that's all Quads.

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08-05-2013, 11:02 AM
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You get a huge increase in squat effectiveness when you go below parallel and reduce weight to make it possible. I was stuck in an old form that I was taught similar to JJ's squat and I was not getting stronger, I dropped weight and started doing full deep squated and blew past my old max withing a month.

This was for pitching training but it's the same muscle group.

Not really sure what this all has to do with prospects, but yeah. That Mantha sure can shoot.

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08-05-2013, 12:40 PM
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That's less than half of the weight, obviously he's in better form. That might be around JMFJ's max.
If your using so much weight that your form is effected then your doing it wrong and it's real dangerous.

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08-05-2013, 02:10 PM
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You know it's the offseason when we are giving squating pointers. So much for prospect discussions.

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08-05-2013, 02:46 PM
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If your using so much weight that your form is effected then your doing it wrong and it's real dangerous.
Mike Barwis, who is supervising his squat in that video, is widely considered one of the country's best personal trainers. So I wouldn't be worried about the safety of his form.

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By the way, I have a question for our Swedish posters: Have you ever used Live Arena and will it be possible to watch Bodin and Melén (TAIF J20) with it?
Yeah, it's the official streaming partner with the Swedish association now. It was all free content last year but sounds like they'll take a minor fee this season. Last season only Frölunda, MoDo and Leksand or so broadcasted their J18/20 games but by the sounds of it, it might be a league wide service this season. Quality was 1200kbit/s with rewind, no commentary or clock but with the ocassional scoreboard zoom in.

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Silly question, but does Swedens hockey season start before North American hockey season?

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08-05-2013, 03:00 PM
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Yeah, it's the official streaming partner with the Swedish association now. It was all free content last year but sounds like they'll take a minor fee this season. Last season only Frölunda, MoDo and Leksand or so broadcasted their J18/20 games but by the sounds of it, it might be a league wide service this season. Quality was 1200kbit/s with rewind, no commentary or clock but with the ocassional scoreboard zoom in.
Ok, thanks for the info. I believe they just made a deal with the Finnish IHF for 13-14 but it didn't include U20 iirc.

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Silly question, but does Swedens hockey season start before North American hockey season?
The regular season begins Sep 14th but pre-season games begin this week (Janmark) or for teams taking part in the European Trophy next week (Bäckman). But it's kind of hard to find info on Bodin's and Melén's pre-season since they play in the U20 league. They're regular season begins on Sep 14th as well.


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08-05-2013, 06:58 PM
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08-05-2013, 07:52 PM
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Alright HF finally got our ratings in for our current draft class, here they are.

Mantha: 8.0 D
Nastasiuk: 6.5 C
Bertuzzi: 6.0 D
Janmark: 7.0 D
Pope: 6.0 D
Wheaton: 6.0 C
McNulty: 5.5 C
Melen: 5.5 D

Thoughts?

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08-05-2013, 07:59 PM
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Janmark looks good. Mantha would be amazing if he panned out but all the D's scare me. Swing for the fences draft.

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Janmark looks good. Mantha would be amazing if he panned out but all the D's scare me. Swing for the fences draft.
Two changes I would make:

Mantha: 8.0 C
Pope: 7.0 D

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08-05-2013, 08:20 PM
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I think Mantha could easily be 8.5D too. He's not likely to be that dominant top line scorer, but he certainly has it in him. 8.0 vs 8.5 is pretty arbitrary, though.

In all, I think they're on the right track with the C and D type scores, because that's how the Wings draft. I think they're off about McNulty, though. Pope too. Those are both guys who are unlikely to become players, but would likely be more than bit players if they did.

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08-05-2013, 09:31 PM
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That's less than half of the weight, obviously he's in better form. That might be around JMFJ's max.
If the video descriptions are to be believed, JJ was squatting 500 LB and Chakarov was squatting 265 KG. So he was actually squatting more, but to be fair he was a professional weightlifter.

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08-05-2013, 09:44 PM
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Alright HF finally got our ratings in for our current draft class, here they are.

Mantha: 8.0 D
Nastasiuk: 6.5 C
Bertuzzi: 6.0 D
Janmark: 7.0 D
Pope: 6.0 D
Wheaton: 6.0 C
McNulty: 5.5 C
Melen: 5.5 D

Thoughts?
Mantha at an 8.0D is fine. I think I'd move Nastasiuk up to a 7.0D but a 6.5C is okay as well. Bertuzzi & Janmark are fine as well. I'd move Pope to 7.0D, I don't know anything about the Dmen, and I'd also move Melen up to a 6.5D. Andersson really likes the guy.

Have they updated anyone else? I'd have thought Paterson, Athanasiou, Sproul & Backman would get a little boost.

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08-05-2013, 09:52 PM
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Mantha at an 8.0D is fine. I think I'd move Nastasiuk up to a 7.0D but a 6.5C is okay as well. Bertuzzi & Janmark are fine as well. I'd move Pope to 7.0D, I don't know anything about the Dmen, and I'd also move Melen up to a 6.5D. Andersson really likes the guy.

Have they updated anyone else? I'd have thought Paterson, Athanasiou, Sproul & Backman would get a little boost.
I agree on some of the guys getting a boost. I would also like to see Jurco up to a 7.5 but I would understand why they wouldn't do that.

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08-06-2013, 06:15 AM
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Paterson article from Mlive.

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08-06-2013, 07:38 AM
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I hope Aubry can step up this season. He had a real solid rookie season but was underwhelming last year. Hes got good size and speed, but for whatever reason cant seem to produce to the level that would make him a serious NHL prospect.

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08-06-2013, 09:19 AM
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Alright HF finally got our ratings in for our current draft class, here they are.

Mantha: 8.0 D
Nastasiuk: 6.5 C
Bertuzzi: 6.0 D
Janmark: 7.0 D
Pope: 6.0 D
Wheaton: 6.0 C
McNulty: 5.5 C
Melen: 5.5 D

Thoughts?
They probably should raise those potential highs for almost everyone and lower that hitting probability. Because that's how it goes with our system.

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08-06-2013, 12:27 PM
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Mantha starting on the top line for Canada tomorrow in Lake Placid. Paterson will start one game (one per goalie) but not in the lineup tomorrow.
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Canadian lines v Finland tomorrow: Shinkaruk-Gauthier-Mantha; Leipsic-Petan-Poirier; Rupert-Girard-Jankowski; Rychel-Gaunce-Reinhart
Here's more info on the tournament: http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...valuation-camp

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What do these figure mean? Sporul, Qullete and McCollum have same 7.0C....

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What do these figure mean? Sporul, Qullete and McCollum have same 7.0C....
That part is nonsense. Sproul has very high potential but has a lot to learn, Ouellet has somewhat lower potential (but less to learn), and McCollum will be a starting goaltender...

in a beer league.

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Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 59 s
Brent Sutter confirms Fucale will start Thursday v Sweden while Paterson gets the call Saturday v USA

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What do these figure mean? Sporul, Qullete and McCollum have same 7.0C....
Not sure how often they update these ratings, but McCollum's rating looks like it hasn't been updated since draft day.

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