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08-19-2013, 11:22 AM
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Didnt Cowens camp want 7 years 28 mil, and Sens wanted 8 years 28 mil?

They could be close. Just deciding on break down of pay per year.
Can't see Cowen's argument for making more money than Hamonic/Fowler/Gorges who are all more established than he and have their contracts kicking in now.

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08-19-2013, 11:26 AM
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Can't see Cowen's argument for making more money than Hamonic/Fowler/Gorges who are all more established than he and have their contracts kicking in now.
I am sure it is his agent that is doing all the pushing.

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08-22-2013, 09:58 AM
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I am really surprised that a contract has not been worked out yet.

Not sure if the media silence on it is a good or bad thing

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08-22-2013, 10:12 AM
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There is no way Melnyk is going to cry poor, loose Alfredsson, and then give Cowen a good contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see a hold-out.

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08-22-2013, 10:23 AM
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Except that Murray has already offered a very generous contract to Cowen ($3.5mm av. over 8yrs. IIRC) and news of new developments have steadily come forth from media. Can we just give them time to iron this **** out ya think? Logically, the separation would seem to stem more from the duration of the current offer not the money amount which I believe is a very fair number for a player with tons of promise but has yet to establish himself on a consistent basis.

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08-22-2013, 10:25 AM
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He would if it was a back loaded one.

2, 2.25, 2.5, 3.5, 4, 4.25, 4.5, 5

28m/8 years

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08-22-2013, 10:53 AM
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He would if it was a back loaded one.

2, 2.25, 2.5, 3.5, 4, 4.25, 4.5, 5

28m/8 years
In six years Cowen will be complaining about how he only made 2 million way back in 13-14

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08-22-2013, 11:51 AM
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He was injured this year in the AHL so he missed his NHL salary... I'm sure he wants to recoup that.

If he's smart he signs a 1 year 1.5 bridge deal... A big year... 20 minutes a game, 20-25Pts and 200+ hits and he's demanding around 5.0 long term next summer

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He was injured this year in the AHL so he missed his NHL salary... I'm sure he wants to recoup that.

If he's smart he signs a 1 year 1.5 bridge deal... A big year... 20 minutes a game, 20-25Pts and 200+ hits and he's demanding around 5.0 long term next summer
Agree with your suggestion regarding the approach Cowen should follow with a bridge contract.

Just can't believe he will sign for less than Wiercoich regardless of term. One year for $2.5M would be my view of the right deal.

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08-22-2013, 12:14 PM
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A one year deal would be very bad for the sens. He gets arbitration rights after next season.

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08-22-2013, 04:13 PM
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He was injured this year in the AHL so he missed his NHL salary... I'm sure he wants to recoup that.

If he's smart he signs a 1 year 1.5 bridge deal... A big year... 20 minutes a game, 20-25Pts and 200+ hits and he's demanding around 5.0 long term next summer
This is a negotiation

The Senators have needs too: signing Cowen up for as long as possible is one of them

This isn't about Cowen being "smart"

It's about finding the middle ground that will satisfy both parties

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08-22-2013, 04:43 PM
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I'll feel a lot better when this contract is resolved. We have a very good team this year, but are thin in our top 4 D.

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08-22-2013, 04:54 PM
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This is a negotiation

The Senators have needs too: signing Cowen up for as long as possible is one of them

This isn't about Cowen being "smart"

It's about finding the middle ground that will satisfy both parties
Yep and if we want him long term expect to pay... If Cowens camp believes he can make around 5 a year from now they are not going to sign cheap.

Get him short and cheap or long and pay.

The lowest I think he signs long term is 7Yrs at 30 million
2,4,4,4,5,5,6

4.28 cap hit

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08-22-2013, 05:15 PM
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Yep and if we want him long term expect to pay... If Cowens camp believes he can make around 5 a year from now they are not going to sign cheap.

Get him short and cheap or long and pay.

The lowest I think he signs long term is 7Yrs at 30 million
2,4,4,4,5,5,6

4.28 cap hit
You are probably pretty close.

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08-22-2013, 05:29 PM
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How about 8yrs for $30M.......

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You are probably pretty close.


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How about 8yrs for $30M.......

Hell if I was Jared I would of signed for 8 yrs for $28M in a heartbeat. As that would set him up for life, then he could sign another contract as when this 1 would expire he will only be 30.......

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You are taking a big year of pay away from him by doing that... 8Yrs 36 million is what he would want.

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08-22-2013, 06:54 PM
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You are taking a big year of pay away from him by doing that... 8Yrs 36 million is what he would want.

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OK will take your word on that as you have more knowledge on contracts in the NHL than I do.....

Let's try 7 yrs at $30M and hope that he signs.................

I keep thinking in the real world values, I forget that professional athletes in all sports live in a very very privileged world that the rest of us can only dream about...............

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08-22-2013, 07:13 PM
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I keep thinking in the real world values, I forget that professional athletes in all sports live in a very very privileged world that the rest of us can only dream about...............
Of course, but it is still all relative.

It's like if you were any other professional, and the going rate of compensation for your position is 100k. You aren't going to just take a salary for 50k because there are people in the world who are worse off than you. You only have so many years of earning potential in your working life, why would you settle for less than you could get?

Well maybe you would, but that would put you in a Herculean like moral category shared by almost noone else in the human race.

At the end of the day it comes down to selfishness, or self-interest if you like the sound of that better, and I don't consider it to be a bad thing, it's normal.. just the scale of the salary is different.

If I'm Cowen's advisors, even if he doesn't acknowledge it at his young age, it is my job to look out for his interests, which given his injury history already would push me to try and secure as much $$ and term as I can now, before an even more catastrophic injury strikes.

If he stays healthy, he hits an even bigger home run next contract around 30 yrs old. If he gets injured and is a shell of himself or has to retire, I just secured his and his children's future.

Incidentally, this also ensures I make the most money possible off my client. Win-win.


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08-22-2013, 07:21 PM
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I'd be really nervous locking Cowen up for that long, paying him 5 or 6M at the end.
Eight years is a lot of time for other prospects to emerge and displace him down the depth chart.

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Signing a 1 year could easily back fire on him.

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Yep and if we want him long term expect to pay... If Cowens camp believes he can make around 5 a year from now they are not going to sign cheap.

Get him short and cheap or long and pay.

The lowest I think he signs long term is 7Yrs at 30 million
2,4,4,4,5,5,6

4.28 cap hit
Is that possible under the new CBA?

Ok, maybe I'm reading the CBA wrong, but isn't the total variance of a contract now supposed to be 50%....or is that 50% variance from year to year?

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08-22-2013, 08:40 PM
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Meanwhile, the lowest year’s compensation cannot be less than 50 per cent of the highest year’s compensation. If a player earns $10M in his highest year, he can never earn less than $5M any other year.

I guess my mock is wrong too.

2.5, 2.75, 3, 3.25, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5

28.5M over 8 years.

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08-22-2013, 09:45 PM
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8Yrs 36 million is what he would want.
So would I, doesn't mean he'll get it.

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08-22-2013, 10:03 PM
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Yep and if we want him long term expect to pay... If Cowens camp believes he can make around 5 a year from now they are not going to sign cheap.

Get him short and cheap or long and pay.

The lowest I think he signs long term is 7Yrs at 30 million
2,4,4,4,5,5,6

4.28 cap hit
I'm confident he'd be worth it but he hasn't proven it

I think that's a bit much considering what Hamonic or Alzner signed for

He doesn't have arbitration rights so he's going to have to live with what he can get, not what he (or, most likely, his agent) thinks he might be worth in the future

A hold out doesn't seem like the wise thing to do considering that we know he was offered a decent 8 year deal already. Ideal? No, but it was a fair offer and if they can't get something done in that neighbourhood it'll speak about his team-player attitude: this isn't like Turris wanting out of Tippet's "you're not good enough for me even though you have shown to be" system in Phoenix.

At some point you get paid based on what you've done and while he still has plenty of time to grow and get better, he hasn't shown so much that he should be making considerably more than the two comparables.


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08-23-2013, 07:11 AM
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Signing a 1 year could easily back fire on him.
He has been injury prone so far. If he tries to pull a OK Subban and doesnt blow the doors off the league, it will backfire on him.
I like the guy, but I have to remind myself that he only has 90 or so games under his belt and I dont think he should try to go big bank based on that.

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