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07-07-2013, 11:41 AM
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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
D'Amigo/Ashton - Bolland - Kulemin
McLaren - McClement - Orr
Colborne

Phanuef - Gunnarson
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Fraser
Brennan

- Can see Liles getting traded
- One of Ashton/D'Amigo will crack the bottom 6
- Granberg is a dark horse for that 6th/7th D spot
I can see:

Franson traded (asking over 4 mill) or allowed to walk ( if awarded over 4 mill.)

Fraser let go if management feels he can't fulfill his role on the team.

Liles traded by Christmas.

Carlyle has been willing to pair Phaneuf with first year players and since Scuderi signed with Pittsburgh he will again.

1) Phaneuf
2) Gunnarson
3) Gardiner
4) Liles (till Christmas)
5) Granberg
6) Holzer
7) Brennan, Blacker, Marshall

Pairings as I see it:

Phaneuf-Granberg
Gardiner-Gunnarson
Liles-Holzer

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07-07-2013, 11:43 AM
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Still not sure if it's better to go:
Lupul - Kadri - Kessel
JVR - Bozak - Clarkson

or

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Clarkson

On the one hand with the first option you have the top 2 C's where they could grow/be in a role that's fitting of their skill level while in the 2nd option you'd have more scoring spread out throughout the line-up.
Of the options you've presented:

Kadri should be on the 2nd. line where he can learn his craft without being faced with the best defenders.

Although Kadri will be 23 to start the season, he doesn't have that much NHL experience.

I think van Riemdyk with Bozak and Kessel makes more sense as Lupul has more experience and should help Kadri.

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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - Bolland - McClement/D'Amigo
McLaren - McClement/Colborne - Orr

Phanuef - Gunner
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Holzer/Brennan

Bernier/Reimer

Done and Done
... isn't this almost exactly what I posted in the OP?

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07-07-2013, 12:33 PM
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Of the options you've presented:

Kadri should be on the 2nd. line where he can learn his craft without being faced with the best defenders.

Although Kadri will be 23 to start the season, he doesn't have that much NHL experience.

I think van Riemdyk with Bozak and Kessel makes more sense as Lupul has more experience and should help Kadri.
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07-07-2013, 12:35 PM
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Of the options you've presented:

Kadri should be on the 2nd. line where he can learn his craft without being faced with the best defenders.

Although Kadri will be 23 to start the season, he doesn't have that much NHL experience.

I think van Riemdyk with Bozak and Kessel makes more sense as Lupul has more experience and should help Kadri.
I personally think JVR - Kadri - Clarkson is perfect for Kadri, two tough wingers that would allow Kadri to play his game... but honestly either way (lupul/JVR on 1st or 2nd line) I can see the pros for each.

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07-07-2013, 12:38 PM
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Try Colborne on the wing?!?

Has Colborne every played on the wing??

I really want Colborne to play some big minutes this year but there is just is no room for him as a center. Kadri has shown he does not play well on the wing but has Colborne ever played this position? I was thinking of something like this,

JVR/Lupal - Bozak - Kessel
Lupal/JVR - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - Bolland - Colborne
Orr - McClement - ???

I really dont want Colborne to play on the 4th line, i think it would be terrible for his progression and a disaster for his confidence. Anyways, i think Kulemin - Bolland - Colborne would be a pretty sweet line. 2 Centermen to take faceoffs. They are all big, Bolland would be the smallest at 6 feet. Granted Colborne defensive play may not be as good as Kul or Boll but he will learn.

With Colborne on the wing TO top 9 would be massive with a ton of scoring potential.

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might be worth a shot but mcclement is too good a player to be stuck on the 3rd line.

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07-07-2013, 12:46 PM
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Has Colborne every played on the wing??

I really want Colborne to play some big minutes this year but there is just is no room for him as a center. Kadri has shown he does not play well on the wing but has Colborne ever played this position? I was thinking of something like this,

JVR/Lupal - Bozak - Kessel
Lupal/JVR - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - Bolland - Colborne
Orr - McClement - ???

I really dont want Colborne to play on the 4th line, i think it would be terrible for his progression and a disaster for his confidence. Anyways, i think Kulemin - Bolland - Colborne would be a pretty sweet line. 2 Centermen to take faceoffs. They are all big, Bolland would be the smallest at 6 feet. Granted Colborne defensive play may not be as good as Kul or Boll but he will learn.

With Colborne on the wing TO top 9 would be massive with a ton of scoring potential.
I'd rather D'amigo tbh and let Colborne play after somebody starts playing bad or an injury occurs.

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07-07-2013, 12:48 PM
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Colborne won't sign for anything under 1.5 mill lol, and gunnar will get more than franson
That's wrong.

D-men of Franson's type, with his offensive skill and PP abilities, routinely get paid more than stay-at-home/2-way d-men. It's just the way things are.

You're looking at ~$3M for Gunnarsson and ~$3.5M for Franson.

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Also, this is not addressed to AuraSphere, but it frigging shocks me that Leafs fans can't spell our players' names right. I mean, Lupul is a freaking palindrome. How difficult is that to remember? It doesn't even sound like Loo-pall.

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Ya, you know you can't take someone's opinion seriously when they spell the players names wrong.

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I personally think JVR - Kadri - Clarkson is perfect for Kadri, two tough wingers that would allow Kadri to play his game... but honestly either way (lupul/JVR on 1st or 2nd line) I can see the pros for each.
You mean big rather than tough?

James is not tough, but he has nice size.

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You mean big rather than tough?

James is not tough, but he has nice size.
He's gritty at least.

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might be worth a shot but mcclement is too good a player to be stuck on the 3rd line.
I ... wh... no, not even remotely. He belongs on the 4th line if anything, and occasionally shifting to the 3rd to protect a lead in the last 1-2 minutes if necessary.

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07-07-2013, 02:25 PM
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I also don't like the moves - well, one of them anyway.

FORWARDS

Second and third line interchangeable, i.e. Bozak's could be 2nd and Bolland's 3rd

JVR - Kadri - Kessel
Colborne - Bolland - Clarkson
Lupul - Bozak - Kulemin
D'Amigo - McClement -Orr/McLaren
Orr/McLaren

DEFENSEMEN

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Fraser

Reasons:
1st line: Kadri and Kessel great chemistry and both of them can start of finish a play. JVR can do the dirty work while still has the scoring touch to bury it when set up by Kessel/Kadri (or rebounds.)

Bolland Line: Mix of scoring and shutdown. Gives Colborne a chance to have a bigger role, and Clarkson's offensive abilities suit a cycling line better than a skill line.

Bozak Line: Lupul is pretty good at getting offense out of people, hopefully he can do it with Bozak. Kulemin adds some balance so line can play in all three zones (kind of useful the way we lean on Bozak for faceoffs).

Fourth line: don't need two enforcers playing on this line with Clarkson in the lineup. Give a Marlie a shot at a spot. Orr/McLaren can alternate games.

Defensive Pairings: keep the top four pairings from the playoffs last year, and Liles/Fraser compliment each other well - Fraser good in his own zone, Liles good at moving the puck.

Overall: One high-end scoring line and two balanced off/def lines. Carry twenty-two men to stay under cap.
That's one messed up line-up

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07-07-2013, 02:39 PM
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I can see:

Franson traded (asking over 4 mill) or allowed to walk ( if awarded over 4 mill.)

Fraser let go if management feels he can't fulfill his role on the team.

Liles traded by Christmas.

Carlyle has been willing to pair Phaneuf with first year players and since Scuderi signed with Pittsburgh he will again.

1) Phaneuf
2) Gunnarson
3) Gardiner
4) Liles (till Christmas)
5) Granberg
6) Holzer
7) Brennan, Blacker, Marshall

Pairings as I see it:

Phaneuf-Granberg
Gardiner-Gunnarson
Liles-Holzer
There's some crazy talk in this thread. Wow.

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You mean big rather than tough?

James is not tough, but he has nice size.
I guess strong would've been a better word for it? JVR is a big winger (which makes him tough in the sense he's hard to push off the puck) whereas Clarkson is tough and a good at keeping the puck as far as I've heard? Two wingers who play strong on the puck and can put themselves between the puck and the defenders to go along with Kadri (the guy that can make the nice passes/plays to get his wingers tip-in/dirty goals/good scoring chances). I think as fans we'd love watching a JVR - Kadri - Clarkson line and that they'd be very good at providing secondary scoring while being decent defensively (Kadri's improve SO MUCH from his junior days in this regard).

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Colborne won't sign for anything under 1.5 mill lol, and gunnar will get more than franson
That's hilarious on Colborne, he's really proved himself. He signs for what we want, ZERO leverage yet, short term would be his want.

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I just don't see a playoff team in this, if so they are a wildcard
I don't see it either man

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Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - McClement - Bolland
D'Amigo - Coborne - McLaren/Orr

Phaneuf - Gunner
Gardiner - Franson
Rielly/Liles - Ranger/Fraser/Holzer/Brennan

Reimer
Bernier

reasoning:

Line 1:

I think Kessel looked a lot better with Lupul than JVR. Kessel and Lupul both seem to score skill goals as a result of good passing (whereas JVR just likes to park himself in front of the net). Kessel seems comfortable making a pass to Lupul because Kessel is confident that Lupul can finish. Kessel has great playmaking abilities and Lupul is better to have on the recieving end than JVR since JVR likes to go to the net as opposed to Lupul who can find open space in the slot.

Line 2:

Kadri seems to play well with everyone. I feel like both Clarkson and JVR both seem to get their goals by going to the net and jamming the puck in. I see Kadri passing to Clarkson who can take a wrist shot, while JVR is in front of the net to screen the goalie and put in the rebound. Both JVR and Clarkson should free up space for Kadri. JVR will be in front of the net, Clarkson can battle on the boards... that should leave Kadri plenty of space to work his magic.

Line 3: McClement is too good to play on a 4th line. Bolland and Kulemen are obviously too good to play on the 4th line too. This makes for a great shutdown line... and I think they'll be able to chip in offensively too. With two centres, if one gets thrown out of the draw, the other one can step in.

Line 4: Gives us a chance to see what Colborne and D'Amigo can do in the NHL. These guys are probably better than your average 4th liners. Against rough teams, we can play both fighters in place of D'Amigo and just have a huge 4th line. But we can alternate Orr and McLaren just so that one of them doesn't have to fight every game. Last year, it seemed like we got in a fight almost every game. I expect this to continue next year... but we need to alternate Orr and McLaren so that one of them doesn't end up getting into 50 fights over the course of the season.... that could take its toll.

Defense: Our top 4 i think is pretty solid. Hopefully Rielly will make the team and we can trade Liles to free up cap space. If Rielly doesn't make the team, Liles will still be good on the third pairing. There are a few people who can compete for that last spot and the 7th D man position... we'll see who looks best out of training camp. My hope is that Rielly will make the team, and as the season progresses, he'll be too good to play on the 3rd pairing. Then we can bump Rielly up to the second pairing, Gardiner up to th first pairing with Phaneuf, and have Gunner on the 3rd pairing.

Goalie: I think Reimer should start off as our #1 goalie... but still give Bernier some games (more than what most other backups get). If Reimer isn't playing well or if Bernier plays awesome in his games... than let Bernier take the #1 spot until either he starts playing bad or Reimer starts playing awesome when he gets his starts. Just go with whoever is playing better. I'd be fine if they both end up playing a similar number of games by the end of the season.

Overall: I really like this team. I liked our team last year and I think we're better this year. I think we can win the cup with this team. Hopefully Kadri will continue to play well. Clarkson needs to put in a big effort, which I think he will. Having Gardiner play the full season and log big minutes will make a big difference on defense. If Rielly can play and excell at the NHL level, that could be the big boost we need. If we have this team throughout the year and do well, we can always add a big piece at the trade deadline to push us over the top.

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07-07-2013, 03:19 PM
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Lupul - Bozak - Kessel

JVR - Kadri - Clarkson

Kulemin - Bolland - Colborne/D'Amigo

Orr - McClement - McLaren
>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Defense:

Gardiner - Phaneuf

Gunnarsson - Franson

Whitney - Fraser

Holzer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The puck stops here:
Reims/Bernier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

good luck in your new home thanks John Micheal

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You mean big rather than tough?

James is not tough, but he has nice size.
He showed he was pretty tough to come back quickly after Marchand's dirty elbow smashed his nose and face. He also drives to the net nicely....that shows toughness IMO. What do you consider toughness in a top 6 forward?

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He showed he was pretty tough to come back quickly after Marchand's dirty elbow smashed his nose and face. He also drives to the net nicely....that shows toughness IMO. What do you consider toughness in a top 6 forward?
That makes van Riemsdyk sound like Marleau.

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There's some crazy talk in this thread. Wow.
The Leafs have done well in the past with little known defensemen coming out of no where.

Maybe you heard of them:
Kaberle, Markov and Tremblay.

Went from 69 pt team to 97 pt team in their rookie year. Albeit swapping Conferences.

My point being you don't know how good any of them are. You just don't recognize the names.

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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - Bolland - D'Amigo
Ashton - McClement - McLaren

13th: Orr

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - xxxx
Brennan - Granberg

7th: Holzer


Bernier
Reimer



Franson: Moved
Liles: Moved
Rielly: Back to WHL

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The Leafs have done well in the past with little known defensemen coming out of no where.

Maybe you heard of them:
Kaberle, Markov and Tremblay.

Went from 69 pt team to 97 pt team in their rookie year. Albeit swapping Conferences.

My point being you don't know how good any of them are. You just don't recognize the names.
Franson was one of our best (if not the best) defensemen last year; he's not walking and if we're trading him, it's for a RD to play with Phaneuf on the top line.

The rest of the grab bag you have on there just doesn't make sense. I can see maybe one surprise out of camp but no way we're rocking with that defense; that would be a big step backwards.

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