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07-07-2013, 09:39 PM
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Franson was one of our best (if not the best) defensemen last year; he's not walking and if we're trading him, it's for a RD to play with Phaneuf on the top line.

The rest of the grab bag you have on there just doesn't make sense. I can see maybe one surprise out of camp but no way we're rocking with that defense; that would be a big step backwards.
Franson wants over 4 mil per season. Leafs can't afford it so a trade is needed or if the arbitration ruling is to high you walk away. Pretty simple.

Name your line up then.

Edit: playing sheltered minutes doesn't make you the best defensemen.

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JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin/Clarkson
Colborne/McClement-Bolland-Kulemin/Clarkson
McLaren/D'Amigo-McClement/Colborne-Orr

Extras: McLaren/D'Amigo

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Fraser/Holzer

Extra: Holzer/Fraser/Blacker

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Reimer

A lot of /'s but it all depends where Randy wants everyone, and how players mesh with other players

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07-07-2013, 10:43 PM
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atm this is our 3rd line

mcclement/colborne - bolland - kulemin

that line has potential to be horrible offensively, and u need 3rd line to chip in a 82 game season...we need to add one more winger and at least another D

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07-08-2013, 12:43 AM
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atm this is our 3rd line

mcclement/colborne - bolland - kulemin

that line has potential to be horrible offensively, and u need 3rd line to chip in a 82 game season...we need to add one more winger and at least another D
Looks like common sense isn't that rare. The fact is Bolland's most productive year involved him playing with very skilled wingers. The Havlets, Ladds, Kanes, Sharps, etc of NHL are lot closer to skilled than Tie Domi.

To throw him into a Grabovski-esque situation is going to be the biggest waste of picks we've ever seen. As we saw in the playoffs, expect JVR to spend some time, and with Colborne/ Kulemin on the other side. The fact that McClement saw less usage when Bozak was down tells us something.

ES TOI/G:

McClement: 11:22
Colborne: 13:28
Grabovski: 17:31
Kulemin: 15:50

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07-08-2013, 12:45 AM
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JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Kulemin-Bolland-Ashton/Colborne
Orr-McClement-McLaren

Gardiner-Phaneuf
Gunnarsson-Franson
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07-08-2013, 01:36 AM
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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
McClement - Bolland - Kulemin
McClaren - Colborne - Orr
ex. D'Amigo

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Fraser - Liles
ex. Brennan, Holzer

Reimer
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07-08-2013, 01:39 AM
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I stand by what I wrote on another thread. I think Kulemin should be playing 2nd line with Kadri and Lupul. He has a better shot, is better defensively and it spreads out the talent more.

I don't care about dollars when the game is actually being played. If Clarkson is a better 3rd line player, than that's where he should play regardless of his paycheque.

JvR Bozak Kessel
Lupul Kadri Kulemin
McClement Bolland Clarkson
DAmigo Colborne Mclaren
Orr

Phaneuf Gardiner
Liles Gunnarson
Fraser Franson

Reimer/Bernier

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07-08-2013, 01:55 AM
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I have good things about Petter Granberg though, and the possibilities of him coming over this year (probably AHL stint first). He sounds very promising.
I agree, could be a solid guy.

Would really help us alot if one of our internal guys like granberg actually become a top 4 dman, we could use a 2nd pairing defensive-dman.

Otherwise I'm very happy with this forward group minus bozak(really, really want an upgrade there) but we have AMAZING defensive ability from our forward group.

Mcclement and Bolland are probably one of if not the best pair of bottom 6 centres a team can have. Kulimen is also a great two-way player and of course bozak is great at faceoffs.

Offense on the other hand, may drop slightly, we may get more dirty goals from Clarkson, but we lost a bit of scoring depth in MacA and Frattin.

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07-08-2013, 02:08 AM
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Rielly wont make it next year, he needs to work on developing the defensive side of his game and Carlyle won't play a liability like him if he refused to play Gardiner
Carlyle played 18 year old Fowler in Anaheim. Each player individually

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07-08-2013, 02:20 AM
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atm this is our 3rd line

mcclement/colborne - bolland - kulemin

that line has potential to be horrible offensively, and u need 3rd line to chip in a 82 game season...we need to add one more winger and at least another D
Chicago a cup winning teams 3rd line was basically Stalberg Shaw Bolland.

Well Bolland is Bolland and Kulemin/McClemment put up comparable numbers to Stalberg/Shaw.

Our 3rd line will be fine.

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I stand by what I wrote on another thread. I think Kulemin should be playing 2nd line with Kadri and Lupul. He has a better shot, is better defensively and it spreads out the talent more.

I don't care about dollars when the game is actually being played. If Clarkson is a better 3rd line player, than that's where he should play regardless of his paycheque.

JvR Bozak Kessel
Lupul Kadri Kulemin
McClement Bolland Clarkson
DAmigo Colborne Mclaren
Orr

Phaneuf Gardiner
Liles Gunnarson
Fraser Franson

Reimer/Bernier
I agree. Kulemin is a better fit with Lupul and Kadri IMO. He's strong as well and can easily be asked to park himself in front of the net.

Clarkson, however, must never be placed on the shut down line. I would not be throwing McClement on that line either, and thankfully he was largely on the fourth line during the playoffs. We need to let JVR lead that line and continue with Colborne. He didn't look bad when used against top lines during the critical game 6 and 7, and likely should.

Clarkson - Bozak - Kessel ( First line)
JVR - Bolland - Colborne ( Shut down)
Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin ( Depth scoring).
D'Amigo - McClement - Orr (Defensive)

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07-08-2013, 03:09 AM
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Chicago a cup winning teams 3rd line was basically Stalberg Shaw Bolland.

Well Bolland is Bolland and Kulemin/McClemment put up comparable numbers to Stalberg/Shaw.

Our 3rd line will be fine.
Chicago's shut down line was actually Hossa - Toews - Sharp. On the other hand, their their top line was Bickell - Handzus - Kane.

Bolland was not used against the Krecji line, but was usually lined up against Seguin. Their bottom six were essentially a depth scoring solution and it worked.

Hossa - Toews - Sharp >>>>> McClement - Bolland - Kulemin.

The fact that McClement was being used a lot less on that line than the regular season suggests that he's going to line 4. JVR was on that line a LOT more than him.

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07-08-2013, 03:14 AM
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Colborne won't sign for anything under 1.5 mill lol, and gunnar will get more than franson
Gunnarsson is looking for 3-4 million, and Franson between 4-5 million ( I know lol) . Colborne will get lower than 1.5. He hasnt done anything in this league. He will get 2 years at about 1-1.25 max.

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07-08-2013, 03:16 AM
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Chicago's shut down line was actually Hossa - Toews - Sharp. On the other hand, their their top line was Bickell - Handzus - Kane.

Bolland was not used against the Krecji line, but was usually lined up against Seguin. Their bottom six were essentially a depth scoring solution and it worked.

Hossa - Toews - Sharp >>>>> McClement - Bolland - Kulemin.

The fact that McClement was being used a lot less on that line than the regular season suggests that he's going to line 4. JVR was on that line a LOT more than him.
They really didnt have a shutdown forward line. They had shutdown Defenceman in Hjalmarrsson and Oduya.

Bickell played with Kane and Toews.

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I agree. Kulemin is a better fit with Lupul and Kadri IMO. He's strong as well and can easily be asked to park himself in front of the net.

Clarkson, however, must never be placed on the shut down line. I would not be throwing McClement on that line either, and thankfully he was largely on the fourth line during the playoffs. We need to let JVR lead that line and continue with Colborne. He didn't look bad when used against top lines during the critical game 6 and 7, and likely should.

Clarkson - Bozak - Kessel ( First line)
JVR - Bolland - Colborne ( Shut down)
Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin ( Depth scoring).
D'Amigo - McClement - Orr (Defensive)
so horrible.......

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If this team stays the same, which IMO is not gonna happen, the lines right now are

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Ashton-Bolland-Kulemin
Mclaren-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Holzer
Blacker

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They really didnt have a shutdown forward line. They had shutdown Defenceman in Hjalmarrsson and Oduya.

Bickell played with Kane and Toews.
Line combinations for Chicago regularly changes. Toews spent more time on Krejci (18%) than either defenceman (15%). Hossa was on ice for 13% of his ice time while Bolland was probably never used.

As for us, we were often hemmed in our zone and thus McClement consumed 28% of Krejci's ice time. However, it's worth mentioning that Grabovski and Kulemin were at 51% and 54%, respectively. It is interesting to note that McClement was demoted as we took it to seven games. For that reason JVR end up consuming ~32% of Krejci time suggesting that he was clearly the more productive man.

I ask, why would Carlyle intentionally field a sub-standard line and hold back McClement?

PS: Colborne was eased first starting against in the offensive zone and then on both ends. Remember when Phaneuf and Lucic were in a scuffle? Joe was there, and I expect that to increase seeing that he used in such a manner in the critical game 7.

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so horrible.......
I would suggest re-watching the games again.

Then do it, again. (x3)

Pull some statistics out as well, and re-watch the playoffs again.

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If this team stays the same, which IMO is not gonna happen, the lines right now are

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Ashton-Bolland-Kulemin
Mclaren-McClement-Orr

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Holzer
Blacker
Ashton playing this season? He's probably going to require at least another year of AHL. I wouldn't consider his performance bad, but it didn't stand out either. Colborne is going to have to literally make love with Carlyle's wife to be thrown out of the roster.

He earned it.

That Bolland line always had at least one skilled guy. When he was productive in the 2009-2010 playoffs, Bolland was Kane's linemate roughly 15% of the time. That's an elite guy, by the way. He spent a good amount of time with big Buff not to mention Ladd (50%) who is productive even when not scoring.


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Kulemin(PK)-Kadri(PP)-Kessel(PP)
JVR(PP)-Bozak(PK)-Lupul(PP)
Colborne-Bolland-Clarkson(PP)
McLaren-McClement(PK)-D'Amigo(PK)

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
D'Amigo - Bolland - Kulemin
McLaren - McClement - Orr

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Franson
Rielly - Fraser
Brennan

Bernier
Reimer

Trade: John-Michael Liles
As of now that would be my exact line-up as well. Except switch Liles and Reilly (Not sure if he will stick this year).

If no other additions are made we really need a young forward or two (D'Amigo/Ashton/Colborne/someone out of left field) to make an impact this year.

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I'd rather see Kadri on the top line than Bozak, him and Kessel looked great together in the latter stages of the playoffs. If it falters, Bozak can re-take the spot.

Van Riemsdyk - Kadri - Kessel
Lupul - Bozak - Clarkson
Colborne - Bolland - Kulemin
D'Amigo - McClement - Orr

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Holzer

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With carlyle, the lines can change every day depending on what he feels like, but one there is one thing i have struggled to decide; Lupul with Kessel or Lupul with Kadri? Bozak will be kessels center, that, to me is for certain. So i see

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
McClement-Bolland-Kulemin
D'amigo/McLaren-Colborne-Orr

I put JVR with kessel because JVR works well in front of the net, to me, this means the goalies screened, giving kessel more of an opportunity to score, and if the tendy saves kessels shot, then JVR is there for the Rebound. Lupul and Kadri already have great chemistry, and adding Clarkson will only give this line more firepower, and we all know that kadri can hit and be a pest and lupul isnt afraid to get dirty either, making this line a huge problem for defences (especially 2nd pairings). The third line is a shut down line, with some scoring ability, and the fourth line is there to well, be, the fourth line.

Power Play 1

The power play is tough for me.. but here's what i would put
Clarkson-Kadri-Kessel
Phaneuf-Lupul

Power Play 2

JVR-Bozak-Kulemin
Franson-Gardiner.

thoughts?

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JVR -- Bozak -- Kessel
Lupul-- Kadri -- Clarkson
McClement -- Bolland - - Kulemin
D'Amigo -- Colborne -- Orr/McLaren

Phaneuf -- Gunnarsson
Franson -- Gardiner
Rielly -- Fraser
Holzer

Bernier/Reimer

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I think the highest that Franson/Gunnar get is $3,365,000 AAV each (given the compensation implications 1st+3rd) and $3mil seems closer to the bullseye looking at the market, and the cap situations of the league at large.
Sounds about right.

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