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07-07-2013, 07:35 PM
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No one wants the players to not try their hardest. Why does everyone have to exaggerate these things? All it means is that we don't want the organization to make short-term moves in a futile attempt to make a poor-to-mediocre team marginally better at the expense of the future.
Best way to put it. Bad decisions to make the team better for a lesser time is not what we want to see/need.

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After re-signing Sulzer, my thoughts immediately turned to McNabb and how the organization felt about him. After this trade, and the drafting of two defensemen, it's pretty obvious the organization doesn't think much of him.
OH BULLS-T! You shelter him from the disaster that is this year and if Hank move at the deadline for an asset you then bring him up. It is a no risk plenty of reward move.

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As others have noted, playing time for the kids at the NHL level.



So the master plan is win the Calder Cup in AHL and a lottery pick in NHL? In the 'Bizarro-Jerry' world that Pegula and Regier apparently operate in, I could see that being the intended direction.







Lamoriello apparently had to be persuaded to take a contract back in return in order for the trade to happen - which suggests that Regier was more concerned in balancing the number of contracts on the books than in getting a draft pick.



We'll see......



It looks that way, just because McNabb is waiver-exempt and Sulzer isn't.





Regehr was here and could have still filled that role. Instead, Regier decided three months ago that keeping a 33-year old veteran defenseman ran counter to a rebuilding plan and the Kings got him to - surprise! - serve that role with their young defensemen.

Now, three months later, Regier obviously decided that a 34-year old veteran defenseman was needed to "teach" the young ones.
You've got to be kidding me

Regier realized it would be incredibly stupid to keep a vet dman for 3 months when you could get two 2nd round picks for him instead. And do you really need to have it explained why the Kings are in in a different situation? Not to mention what makes you think he would stay here for a rebuild?

You're take here is very much off the mark.

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As others have noted, playing time for the kids at the NHL level.



So the master plan is win the Calder Cup in AHL and a lottery pick in NHL? In the 'Bizarro-Jerry' world that Pegula and Regier apparently operate in, I could see that being the intended direction.







Lamoriello apparently had to be persuaded to take a contract back in return in order for the trade to happen - which suggests that Regier was more concerned in balancing the number of contracts on the books than in getting a draft pick.



We'll see......



It looks that way, just because McNabb is waiver-exempt and Sulzer isn't.





Regehr was here and could have still filled that role. Instead, Regier decided three months ago that keeping a 33-year old veteran defenseman ran counter to a rebuilding plan and the Kings got him to - surprise! - serve that role with their young defensemen.

Now, three months later, Regier obviously decided that a 34-year old veteran defenseman was needed to "teach" the young ones.


This deal is classic "Darcy". He likes to manage by way of running around and putting fires out, after they have started. He is no chess master thinking 7 steps ahead, that is for sure.

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Turning a completely useless not even AHL-level player into a depth NHLer? Wow, fire Darcy!!!!!!!!!

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This deal is classic "Darcy". He likes to manage by way of running around and putting fires out, after they have started. He is no chess master thinking 7 steps ahead, that is for sure.
-You guys do realize that we traded Regehr and got 2 draft picks. Regehr was a pending UFA and there was little chance he was coming back for a rebuild.

-We just got Tallinder for nothing.

But you're right he was putting out fires. It would have been much better to let Regehr stay and then watch him leave for nothing in the summer.

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Let's see...

- Low asset cost to acquire, basically clearing one contract off the books for another.

- Player knows the team and some of the players have history/chemistry with him.

- He's in the last year of his deal.

- If he plays well, the team is better off and may turn him into futures at the deadline.

- If he doesn't play well, they are not on the hook after this year that is supposed to be a tougher year at that.

I don't see why anyone could have an issue with this.

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-You guys do realize that we traded Regehr and got 2 draft picks. Regehr was a pending UFA and there was little chance he was coming back for a rebuild.

-We just got Tallinder for nothing.

But you're right he was putting out fires. It would have been much better to let Regehr stay and then watch him leave for nothing in the summer.
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Turning a completely useless not even AHL-level player into a depth NHLer? Wow, fire Darcy!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. Landing NHL vet depth, even if troubled, for a Central League player?? Come the **** on. That's not a bad deal.

Transition guy, not someone who is going to cost anyone anything, simply someone for the younger guys to emulate off the ice and out-work to supplant on it.

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Regier realized it would be incredibly stupid to keep a vet dman for 3 months when you could get two 2nd round picks for him instead.
If the Sabres were thinking rebuild as far back as the Gaustad trade - as Regier argued - why would the decision to keep a veteran that they worked so hard to get specifically for his leadership and character be seen as "incredibly stupid"?

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And do you really need to have it explained why the Kings are in in a different situation?
While the Kings needed to fill a hole at the time with Mitchell's and Greene's health in doubt, they also pointed very publicly to adding someone like Regehr to help mentor Doughty and Voynov - and it was again pointed out by Lombardi and Regehr when he was extended. In that vein, it is not at all different from what Regier has laid out as his plan for this summer - or his explanation of the Tallinder trade.

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Not to mention what makes you think he would stay here for a rebuild?.
Regehr told reporters that he was open to re-signing with Buffalo and staying and that it was the Sabres, not him, who brought up the possibility of a trade. He didn't make any statements like Vanek did about not wanting to be part of the current direction.

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As others have noted, playing time for the kids at the NHL level.



So the master plan is win the Calder Cup in AHL and a lottery pick in NHL? In the 'Bizarro-Jerry' world that Pegula and Regier apparently operate in, I could see that being the intended direction.







Lamoriello apparently had to be persuaded to take a contract back in return in order for the trade to happen - which suggests that Regier was more concerned in balancing the number of contracts on the books than in getting a draft pick.



We'll see......



It looks that way, just because McNabb is waiver-exempt and Sulzer isn't.





Regehr was here and could have still filled that role. Instead, Regier decided three months ago that keeping a 33-year old veteran defenseman ran counter to a rebuilding plan and the Kings got him to - surprise! - serve that role with their young defensemen.

Now, three months later, Regier obviously decided that a 34-year old veteran defenseman was needed to "teach" the young ones.
Wow. You're way off base, man. Regher was traded because Regier wanted to gain picks in a deep draft and there was no guarantee regher would re-sign. Continue with your agenda, though.

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This deal is classic "Darcy". He likes to manage by way of running around and putting fires out, after they have started. He is no chess master thinking 7 steps ahead, that is for sure.
So Darcy got two 2nds for a decent, old player who was going to be lost to free agency and then replaced him in the offseason for free and ... that is how you see it?

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Regehr told reporters that he was open to re-signing with Buffalo and staying and that it was the Sabres, not him, who brought up the possibility of a trade.
Draft picks > Regehr. He's toast. That was a good trade and so is the Tallinder acquisition. Nothing about either deal is worth criticizing, and I say that as someone who has been rather anti-Darcy in recent months. However, you can't just bash the guy when it isn't remotely warranted.

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Let's see...

- Low asset cost to acquire, basically clearing one contract off the books for another.

- Player knows the team and some of the players have history/chemistry with him.

- He's in the last year of his deal.

- If he plays well, the team is better off and may turn him into futures at the deadline.

- If he doesn't play well, they are not on the hook after this year that is supposed to be a tougher year at that.

I don't see why anyone could have an issue with this.

I know you know, but I'll say it anyway. There are a certain percentage of fans who complain, hate, and seeth just to do it. They find enjoyment in it. Others that think every single thing Regier does is the exact opposite of what every other GM would do, and therefore wrong.



I agree, this move is fine. For what this upcoming season will be (5th stage) it's an acceptable move. Tallinder will most likely be here for a season. No more.

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If the Sabres were thinking rebuild as far back as the Gaustad trade - as Regier argued - why would the decision to keep a veteran that they worked so hard to get specifically for his leadership and character be seen as "incredibly stupid"?
Regehr is far from the player that he used to be and doesn't really have much value to a team like Buffalo that isn't looking to contend. He especially doesn't have as much value to Buffalo as two 2nd round picks do. This is basic asset management, they traded Regehr for two 2nd round picks and landed Tallinder for next to nothing, and might even be able to spin him off for additional assets this trade deadline. That's more useful to Buffalo in the long term than two years of a past his prime defenseman who's pretty much a pylon these days.

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If the Sabres were thinking rebuild as far back as the Gaustad trade - as Regier argued - why would the decision to keep a veteran that they worked so hard to get specifically for his leadership and character be seen as "incredibly stupid"?



While the Kings needed to fill a hole at the time with Mitchell's and Greene's health in doubt, they also pointed very publicly to adding someone like Regehr to help mentor Doughty and Voynov - and it was again pointed out by Lombardi and Regehr when he was extended. In that vein, it is not at all different from what Regier has laid out as his plan for this summer - or his explanation of the Tallinder trade.



Regehr told reporters that he was open to re-signing with Buffalo and staying and that it was the Sabres, not him, who brought up the possibility of a trade. He didn't make any statements like Vanek did about not wanting to be part of the current direction.
Your anti-Regier bias has rendered you incapable of seeing the obvious. Both the Regehr trade and the Tallinder trade were net positives for a rebuidling Sabres team.

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A) Agree totally. There are literally 100 other players you can pickup instead though, why another soft one? I would love some tough vet leadership, and wouldn't complain one bit.

B) I hope so, I'm not asking to gift McNabb a spot. I hope he earns one.

C) I would like a tough minded vet to help bring these guys along. Wouldn't you?
This effect is far overstated. Rivet didn't turn Butler into a physical guy...

If a guy is physical, he is physical. If a guy isn't, he isn't. Adding a veteran isn't going to change that.

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-You guys do realize that we traded Regehr and got 2 draft picks. Regehr was a pending UFA and there was little chance he was coming back for a rebuild.

-We just got Tallinder for nothing.

But you're right he was putting out fires. It would have been much better to let Regehr stay and then watch him leave for nothing in the summer.
If Tallinder makes us a better team or makes Myers a better player, at age 34, why not keep him around last time?

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Regehr is far from the player that he used to be and doesn't really have much value to a team like Buffalo that isn't looking to contend. He especially doesn't have as much value to Buffalo as two 2nd round picks do. This is basic asset management, they traded Regehr for two 2nd round picks and landed Tallinder for next to nothing, and might even be able to spin him off for additional assets this trade deadline. That's more useful to Buffalo in the long term than two years of a past his prime defenseman who's pretty much a pylon these days.
He's freakin terrible. L.A. will see that over a full season. Tallinder is as good as him.

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So Darcy got two 2nds for a decent, old player who was going to be lost to free agency and then replaced him in the offseason for free and ... that is how you see it?
Surely you get that Darcy has re-invented himself multiple times over the years, and continues to do so as I type. Right?

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If Tallinder makes us a better team or makes Myers a better player, at age 34, why not keep him around last time?
He flat-out wasn't allowed to offer the contract that Tallinder got from NJ. Quinn/BTG wouldn't allow Darcy to sign either Lydman or Tallinder to deals longer than 2 years. Had Darcy been able to go to 3 on either, they'd still be Sabres. Both Lydman and Tallinder have been on record as basically saying as much.

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If Tallinder makes us a better team or makes Myers a better player, at age 34, why not keep him around last time?
Because he wasn't allowed to give them the contracts they wanted. This has been discussed for years. Its one of the first things Pegula commented on when he tok over. Golie/Quinn didn't want 3 or 4 year deals for guys their age at those prices. So they walked.

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Love this move.

Tallinder was one of my personal favorites, so it's great to see him back.

Hank still may have some good hockey in the tank. If he helps Myers regain form, even better.

I'm sick of handing guys jobs. McNabb, Pysyk, Risto. If they want in the lineup, EARN IT.

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Love this move.

Boychuk's a nobody.

Tallinder was one of my personal favorites, so it's great to see him back.

Hank still may have some good hockey in the tank. If he helps Myers regain form, even better.

I'm sick of handing guys jobs. McNabb, Pysyk, Risto. If they want in the lineup, EARN IT.
Great assessment, and one that is needed around these players. Make em fight for it.

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There are a lot of things to criticize Regier for.

This deal is not one of them.

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