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07-07-2013, 03:20 PM
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This doesn't make sense to me. I didn't think Buffalo was even close to 50 contracts signed.

By my count, we're at 45 contracts COUNTING the RFAs that have yet to sign.

So why did NJ have to take a contract back?
We need room for contracts if Vanek/Miller alone return multiple players.

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07-07-2013, 03:21 PM
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Only two possible rationales here:

(1) The theory that Tyler Myers craves some kind of mental security blanket. I don't get this argument, we all know Tallinder cant play the role he did 3 years ago.

(2) He makes the kids earn their spots on the blueline. This argument only works if Darcy's actually willing to send him to Rochester if he's outplayed in training camp. If Hank's just going to keep Ristolainen from having a shot in the NHL this year, I see that as more harm than good.

Don't particularly like the move. I don't have the sense that Hank's a leader or a model of the type of defenseman we want to develop.

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The Amerks still need several players replaced.
Don't all need to be Sabres contracts though. Amerks could sign them to AHL deals.

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07-07-2013, 03:22 PM
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Yes. I forgot this. 18 year old who play in the AHL have their contract slide if they play less than 9 NHL games. Girgensons contract slid last year.

Devine's original statement probably hasn't changed. They want Risto in Rochester if he signs.
If they play 10 or more games there contract doesnt slide.

I think Risto stays in rochester the first half of the year then gets a call up in January and see if he earns a right to stay.

Girgs---I think he will get an injury call up for 5-7 games. But they keep him under the 10 games.

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07-07-2013, 03:23 PM
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This doesn't make sense to me. I didn't think Buffalo was even close to 50 contracts signed.

By my count, we're at 45 contracts COUNTING the RFAs that have yet to sign.

So why did NJ have to take a contract back?
Because why not? Boychuk isn't in the plans, so get some more flexibility to do other things.

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07-07-2013, 03:23 PM
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Wait... Who the hell is Reilly Boychuk? I honestly thought I was on the wrong forum at first, or this was a necro-bump or something.

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I LOL'd when I read this. This season will be interesting for sure...I am expecting a lot of suffering.

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07-07-2013, 03:24 PM
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Don't all need to be Sabres contracts though. Amerks could sign them to AHL deals.
No. Veterans like Mancari/Tarnasky/Bagnall etc. won't sign AHL only contracts. No one would ever agree to play with the Amerks on an AHL deal that was any good.

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Not a very tank-friendly move but on the other hand, Hank rhymes with Tank. Cost was nothing, might help Myers, doesn't make us force rookies into roles. On the other hand, it might keep a deserving rookie out of the line-up. It'll be good to see him back out on the ice, he was one of my favorite Sabres.

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How anyone can complain about this move is beyond me... trading essentially nothing in Boychuk for a guy who has easily been the best partner for Myers during his NHL career, and could potentially spark his game again. If Hank's injuries continue to be a problem, whatever. He's got one year left and they traded, I repeat, Riley Boychuk for him. What exactly is the downside of this trade?

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07-07-2013, 03:28 PM
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How anyone can complain about this move is beyond me... trading essentially nothing in Boychuk for a guy who has easily been the best partner for Myers during his NHL career, and could potentially spark his game again. If Hank's injuries continue to be a problem, whatever. He's got one year left and they traded, I repeat, Riley Boychuk for him. What exactly is the downside of this trade?
Keeps deserving kids out of the lineup, and doesn't deserve a spot himself. That's the fear.

Hank isn't going to restore Myers' game. He's not the same defenseman he was.

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07-07-2013, 03:29 PM
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Darcy could already know the fate of the team. He could know its only a matter of time with Miller and Vanek trades....

He could know we are going to be awful next year.

He may prefer to keep anyone who can stay in Rochester and play decent minutes playing in Rochester to avoid the horrible last place finish.

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How anyone can complain about this move is beyond me... trading essentially nothing in Boychuk for a guy who has easily been the best partner for Myers during his NHL career, and could potentially spark his game again. If Hank's injuries continue to be a problem, whatever. He's got one year left and they traded, I repeat, Riley Boychuk for him. What exactly is the downside of this trade?
Because he's a former Sabre.

If his name was Daniel Arvedsson and he had never played for the Sabres, but everything about him was the same, there would be less outcry. Except from those who think the only good move would be to sign all the big name players, who would be placated by nothing less than trading for Shea Weber.

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07-07-2013, 03:32 PM
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Wait... Who the hell is Reilly Boychuk? I honestly thought I was on the wrong forum at first, or this was a necro-bump or something.
Contract dump. (Riley, 7th, 2010, was a signing mistake)
Sabres must have plans to sign a few more depth players which would bump them close to the 50 contract limit.

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Because he's a former Sabre.

If his name was Daniel Arvedsson and he had never played for the Sabres, but everything about him was the same, there would be less outcry. Except from those who think the only good move would be to sign all the big name players, who would be placated by nothing less than trading for Shea Weber.
Well, we are taking a symbolic step backwards in an effort to hopefully take more or more steps forwards.

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They acquired an asset for free, pretty much. How is this a bad thing?
Because it's basically robbing our young D of NHL development time

At this very moment, our top 7 D is essentially set

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
Tallinder-McBain
Suzler

Due to the one way nature of their contracts, this is likely concrete barring a move.

Let's say, however, into camp, one of McNabb, McCabe, Ruhwedel, Ristolainen, or Zadorov shows they are more than NHL ready? Suddenly, we are forced with either burying a contract, carrying 8 d-men, or letting a player play in league that won't really help their NHL development.

More importantly, this takes away 3.4 million in cap space, something that may come into play if we need to take on salary to move Miller/Vanek. Salary cap space IS an asset, and even more so now that the cap has come down. Unless there is something coming down the pipe in the immediate future, this deal makes little sense to me.

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Because it's basically robbing our young D of NHL development time

At this very moment, our top 7 D is essentially set

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
Tallinder-McBain
Suzler
I realized after my last post, that HAS to be the softest D in the league. Bar none. Miller better hope he gets traded, because whoever is on our net, you are gonna have at least 2 forwards crashing into you every shift, because outside of Weber, none one of those D-men is going to make you pay any price.

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More importantly, this takes away 3.4 million in cap space, something that may come into play if we need to take on salary to move Miller/Vanek. Salary cap space IS an asset, and even more so now that the cap has come down. Unless there is something coming down the pipe in the immediate future, this deal makes little sense to me.
Cap room is not even close to being a problem. We're more likely to need help making the cap floor if we trade Vanek and Miller.

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Keeps deserving kids out of the lineup, and doesn't deserve a spot himself. That's the fear.

Hank isn't going to restore Myers' game. He's not the same defenseman he was.

Keeps deserving kids (in) the (Rochester) lineup (for development).

Fixed for positivity.

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Keeps deserving kids (in) the (Rochester) lineup (for development).

Fixed for positivity.
Fixed for nonsense, more like it. If they deserve to be in the NHL, you don't "help" them by making them play in a league that they're better than.

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Because it's basically robbing our young D of NHL development time
Isn't that the point of the AHL? I'm not singling you out, but this is always one of the most perplexing things about Sabres fans. I complain about the Sabres needing to get more AHL veterans, people scream to me about the AHL being a developmental league. So the Sabres go out an acquire a defenseman that will cause a young defenseman prospect to get development time in the AHL, and people complain about how this is taking away developmental time in the NHL.

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Because it's basically robbing our young D of NHL development time

At this very moment, our top 7 D is essentially set

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
Tallinder-McBain
Suzler

Due to the one way nature of their contracts, this is likely concrete barring a move.

Let's say, however, into camp, one of McNabb, McCabe, Ruhwedel, Ristolainen, or Zadorov shows they are more than NHL ready? Suddenly, we are forced with either burying a contract, carrying 8 d-men, or letting a player play in league that won't really help their NHL development.

More importantly, this takes away 3.4 million in cap space, something that may come into play if we need to take on salary to move Miller/Vanek. Salary cap space IS an asset, and even more so now that the cap has come down. Unless there is something coming down the pipe in the immediate future, this deal makes little sense to me.
AHL and SHL development will be fine for the "NHL-ready" guys. Those that aren't will benefit from having more time to work on the holes IMO. Beyond that kicking out Miller and Vanek would free u nearly 14 million. There's no way in hell this team nears the cap if that happens.

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Fixed for nonsense, more like it. If they deserve to be in the NHL, you don't "help" them by making them play in a league that they're better than.
There is no deserve. And prospects don't get markedly worse playing in a league they're better than. Look at the lockout years.

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Fixed for nonsense, more like it. If they deserve to be in the NHL, you don't "help" them by making them play in a league that they're better than.
Who deserves to be in the NHL? Lots of D take time in the minors. It's not going to hurt their development.

I'm sure that all NHL GM's would be okay with breaking one or two rookie D on the NHL club at the same time, but not three at the same time.

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There is no deserve. And prospects don't get markedly worse playing in a league they're better than. Look at the lockout years.
This!

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