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09-02-2013, 09:39 PM
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the problem is Corey Crawford is a terrible starting goalie and he is not worth 6 million dollars he is not elite and never will be.......it will hurt to sign other key player in the future and trading him later on will be difficult
Not really

Cap wise the Hawks are in pretty good spot and Rocky Wirtz seems 100% certain that revenues are going up bigtime

I trust Rocky and at end of day he has shown he will not financially prevent his team from moving forward when needed. How many other fanbases can say that there owners truly put 100% into winning including admitting a big $$$ mistake?

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09-02-2013, 09:45 PM
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That's just way too much hockey insight for me and ya Jagr did play with Francis but it wasn't like Mario played with bums.

The bottom line is that he wasn't an elite player at ES that year and maybe you are confusing him with a different Mario, it's not like he was the same player in each and every season of his career.

From the above analysis it looks like very little research was actually done but hey prove me wrong there.
He had 72 five on five points in 70 games, 69 PP points in 70 games and 8 short-handed goals. He also did all that after sitting out an entire season due to fatigue caused by his radiation treatment, and he battled chronic degenerative back injuries for the second half of his career.

I swear you just love the Red Wings. Didn't you say that many people think Datsyuk is the best playoff centre of his generation? The guy whose point production goes from PPG to .7ppg in the playoffs? Come on, now. Be consistent!

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2013 Hawks were far more reliant on goaltending then 2010 team

Crawford came up huge all year and was the real MVP of playoffs. People seem to act like he pulled a 2010 Niemi and was along for ride when the reality is that Crawford was actually a major positive factor in most games and his ability to outplay or play on level with Howard/Quick/Rask was major factor in the playoffs
Yes, but he's also only done it for a shortened season and then a post-season. He's been up and down before that, and I don't think the Hawks saved any money on this deal, despite giving him 6 years. It's a short track record, but it's probably fair market value if they thought they needed to sign him for that long.

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I don't like the term (6 years is far too much for a non franchise goalie)

As for the cap hit. I expected a 5M cap hit so 6M isn't extreme overpayment in my eyes

It is what it is. Hawks wanted a longterm solution in net (Khabibulin , Huet , Niemi , Turco and Crawford have all been #1 for Hawks at some point in last 5 years) and Bowman is confident that Crawford is the guy (Been with organization for longtime and has been model citizen of hard work and overcoming doubters)

Overpayment = Sure ,, Not as terrible as people make it out to be
Term = Not good (4 years should have been max)

But Rocky Wirtz is willing to spend $$$ and Bowman has always liked Crawford and he proved he could be guy this past year to carry team to glory

As for the he may regress.. Sure but any player who signs a big deal can be a risk to do that. Hawks are taking risk but it is much easier to accept that risk when player was major part in a cup win (Same with Bickell)
Agree with most of it. Bickell is a guy I would have traded, personally, but when you win a cup (or two) you can afford to be loyal and see what happens, I guess. Even if Bickell comes out and doesn't play well, the Leafs will probably still overpay for him if the Hawks need to move him

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09-02-2013, 09:47 PM
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Not really

Cap wise the Hawks are in pretty good spot and Rocky Wirtz seems 100% certain that revenues are going up bigtime

I trust Rocky and at end of day he has shown he will not financially prevent his team from moving forward when needed. How many other fanbases can say that there owners truly put 100% into winning including admitting a big $$$ mistake?
The 1-2 mill saved on Keith more than makes up for the 1 mill extra on Crawford's contract

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09-03-2013, 01:24 AM
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I just love that you always talk about the Sedins declining production, completely ignore advanced stats that track things other than simple point production, and now you're trying to argue that Sergei Federov scoring 107 points was better than Lemieux's 69 goals and 161 points
So ironic.

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09-03-2013, 12:37 PM
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Guillame Latendresse will attend Phoenix Coyotes camp on a try out.

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09-03-2013, 01:02 PM
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The Toronto Maple Leafs have $4 million in cap space. Franson wants $3M. Kadri wants $5.5M. Training camp opens in less than a week.

This is going to be highly, highly entertaining.

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09-03-2013, 01:11 PM
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The Toronto Maple Leafs have $4 million in cap space. Franson wants $3M. Kadri wants $5.5M. Training camp opens in less than a week.

This is going to be highly, highly entertaining.
Nothing was confirmed, Bob just said that it's believed that Franson wants $4+ mil and Kadri $5.5M.

But yeah, should be fun seeing how this plays out. I wonder if they'll be forced to do something like move Liles + a high draft pick/good prospect for a late pick just to clear cap space.

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09-03-2013, 01:43 PM
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Doesn't sound like TOR and RFAs Nazem Kadri and Cody Franson are even in the same ballpark on negotiations at this point.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 43m
Kadri believed to be looking long-term (6 yrs in Tavares stratosphere of $5.5M per). Leafs want short, 2 yrs at P.K. Subban $ ($2.875M per).

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09-03-2013, 01:45 PM
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Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 46m
Doesn't sound like TOR and RFAs Nazem Kadri and Cody Franson are even in the same ballpark on negotiations at this point.

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Kadri believed to be looking long-term (6 yrs in Tavares stratosphere of $5.5M per). Leafs want short, 2 yrs at P.K. Subban $ ($2.875M per).
Nonis must remember the season where Wellwood scored 42 points in 48 games.

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09-03-2013, 01:58 PM
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I think signing David Clarkson before your RFA was the big mistake and now leafs have cap problems and Bozak horrible cap hit

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09-03-2013, 02:00 PM
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Doesn't sound like TOR and RFAs Nazem Kadri and Cody Franson are even in the same ballpark on negotiations at this point.

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Kadri believed to be looking long-term (6 yrs in Tavares stratosphere of $5.5M per). Leafs want short, 2 yrs at P.K. Subban $ ($2.875M per).
lol Nonis

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09-03-2013, 02:34 PM
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lol Nonis
Kadri sounded pretty pissed a couple of weeks ago.

Everyone takes the "it's just business" approach when difficult contracts are being negotiated...but one need look no further, than Alfredson in Ottawa to see what happens when you combine UFA with pissing a player off.

Players can be alienated.

Kadri is only RFA so he'll have to eventually knuckle under. But it doesn't exactly build long term relationships.

Didn't seem to affect Subban, though. At least for now.

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09-03-2013, 02:41 PM
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Didn't seem to affect Subban, though. At least for now.
As with any bridge contract, you gotta see what the next one looks like before you can judge the deal itself.

Subban's might get really ugly, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he'll want Doughty money (or better).

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09-03-2013, 02:43 PM
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Subban is an aberration in that he skipped camp and a few regular season games and still came back and had a monster year. This is very, very rare - young players that hold out into the season typically have hugely ****** years. If that's what happens with Kadri/Franson, and then they take heat in the TO market for underperforming, and they're not that far away from UFA-dom...they will probably not stick around.

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09-03-2013, 02:44 PM
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Yeah, extending Subban at ~$5.5M per last summer would have been awesome for the Habs. Now Subban is negotiating a long-term extension with a Norris under his belt. Terrible management by Bergevin.

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09-03-2013, 02:50 PM
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Dammit, he would've been a nice invite.

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The Toronto Maple Leafs have $4 million in cap space. Franson wants $3M. Kadri wants $5.5M. Training camp opens in less than a week.

This is going to be highly, highly entertaining.
Over/under on how long til Nonis runs the ol' media machine a.k.a the "cousin at TSN connection"?

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09-03-2013, 02:53 PM
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no chance kadri get anywhere close to 5 probably 4 range should be good but 3.5 should be what he deserve since it was only 48 games and not 82

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The Leafs can't even afford to pay Kadri 3.5. This is why it's going to be entertaining - the middle ground between Kadri and the Leafs camp is something the Leafs cannot afford.

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they will probably have to get rid of John Michael Lies to sign franson and Kadri but it was poor management decision to sign borzak and Clarkson before you top RFA player and overpaid Bozak and Clarkson

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The Leafs can't even afford to pay Kadri 3.5. This is why it's going to be entertaining - the middle ground between Kadri and the Leafs camp is something the Leafs cannot afford.

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09-03-2013, 03:03 PM
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only way to fix leafs cap issue is get rid of one of their d-men....dion or JML

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the only gm stupid enough to take liles' contract is the one that already has him

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Apparently, on the TSN 1050, Dreger said Jonathan Bernier could play his way onto Team Canada and many believe this as a realistic option. Between that and the Kadri rumors. All I can say is...


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