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07-09-2013, 04:18 PM
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For me it's also this false premise floating around that a casino at RCR will make less than one at CTC.

RCR is closer to downtown, close to the airport and a lot of hotels, and is in huge growth area (Riverside South) similar to Stittsville. What makes people so sure that RCR can't host a beutiful world class casino?

Other than being a chance for the owner of a team we all love to get richer, what advantage does CTC have ?
This why i think its in the best interest if EM looks at selling the team,and if no buyers can be found. Then i guess its reloacation then .All of which i remain skepitcal about ,because i believe the sens do make money and wont be moved

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While I hope that's the case, Bettman has shown little love to Ottawa.

We're like the wart he contracted from Ziegler.
Bettman saved Ottawa & kept it afloat until Melnyk bought the team. He wouldn't allow anyone to move it out of town & forced any new ownership to keep the team in Ottawa.

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07-09-2013, 04:20 PM
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Bettman saved Ottawa & kept it afloat until Melnyk bought the team. He wouldn't allow anyone to move it out of town & forced any new ownership to keep the team in Ottawa.
Yep all true ,iam sure GB and the BOD of the nhl will have something to say about EM moving the team

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This why i think its in the best interest if EM looks at selling the team,and if no buyers can be found. Then i guess its reloacation then .All of which i remain skepitcal about ,because i believe the sens do make money and wont be moved
It is way too premature to be discussing relocation at all.

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This is simply embarrasing.

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RCR is close to downtown?

Lolwut?

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07-09-2013, 04:39 PM
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He IS thinking bigger. That's his whole point. He has a ton of land around his building out there that he'd LOVE to develop into a sports/shopping/entertainment empire. the sens are the crown, a casino would be the crown jewel, and a hotel, soccer, malls, waterpark, whatever else would be added benefits. Keeping the RCR open is just so small minded. Let it stay open as a minor venue with slots, a nice buffet, maybe the EX, and whatever else. Let melnyk bid with his megabucks and ambition to build around a property that we are FAR more willing to see do well- the sens.
Thank you, sums it up perfectly. Now we just need to get sens fans on board and tell their councilors how they feel....

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For me it's also this false premise floating around that a casino at RCR will make less than one at CTC.

RCR is closer to downtown, close to the airport and a lot of hotels, and is in huge growth area (Riverside South) similar to Stittsville. What makes people so sure that RCR can't host a beutiful world class casino?

Other than being a chance for the owner of a team we all love to get richer, what advantage does CTC have ?
I'll be honest i dont fully understand the horse racing industry . What i do know is that more people (in my exprience ) come into ottawa to watch hockey games then see horses race . To simplify things you can say .
Hockey = large market
Casino = large market
Horses=? small medium market
So i can combine two large markets to make money for both industries or i can combine one large market and one small market to prop up the smaller one . I think it's fair to assume that more people outside the casino would mean more people gambling although its not a guarantee .

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07-09-2013, 04:48 PM
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Fans want the team to spend to an ever increasing salary cap while paying less than average NHL ticket prices. Something has to give at some point.

I guess this is Eugene's solution for the future, there was always supposed to be something built up around the arena.
Yep but some "fans" cant get it into their head that the market wont pay high ticket prices, so the only other way is giving the owner additional sources of income...

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So without a casino our team isnt finacially viable ??I get the new stream of revenue ,to move the team upwards and onwards bit.But what i dont get is why if we are losing money or barely breaking even .Why would owner stay here so long ???
Without a casino we will continue to be at the same level financially as the Star, Predators, Panthers and Islanders.

With the Casino we can be at the level of some of the higher teams.

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This why i think its in the best interest if EM looks at selling the team,and if no buyers can be found. Then i guess its reloacation then .All of which i remain skepitcal about ,because i believe the sens do make money and wont be moved
I think its fair to assume the sens do lose money . There are an estimated 10 15 team to my knowledge that make money in the NHL with those teams being the likes of montreal,toronto,new york,boston team that draw on a much larger geological fan base then the senators . Owners join the NHL as investor seeing that they can buy a team low and hopefully see its value rise . Out of all the markets in canada the senators have the smallest geological fan base as well as one of the smallest historical fan bases .


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07-09-2013, 04:57 PM
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While I hope that's the case, Bettman has shown little love to Ottawa.

We're like the wart he contracted from Ziegler.
Bettman saved the Ottawa Senators

You might want to do some reading up before talking nonsense

I also love all you people who seem to automatically distrust Melnyk because he's holding City Council to higher standards than sole sourcing (which is what the Conservatives did with the F-35 nightmare): if he's trying to influence City Council is MUST be because he's a dirty lying business owner who cooks his books for tax evasion purposes! It's the only logical conclusion right?

Some of you need to read up before commenting on things you clearly don't understand

That being said I really hate that a casino is seemingly the only option here, gambling is a huge money drain for the less fortunate, not the kind of thing I enjoy arguing in favour of but City Council has made it very easy to side with Melnyk on this issue

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Pretty easy answer if you are starting with no gaming, but RCR is already there. You have to kill it, and piss off the people who currently benefit from it. I am not one of those people, but you can see how that makes the answer harder to get to. There are real (not hypothetical) jobs and votes at stake.
Screw the RCR, I live around here and wouldn't step close to a stinky horse racing track to gamble. No one is ever there other then a few senile old people....Kanata makes SO much more sense, especially having it beside an arena and potentially a huge entertainment complex.

Where is the money in Ottawa? Which area is richer? If you compare Kanata to the south end its not even a contest....

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IMAO, i'm really in favor of a casino in Kanata, i'm doing the trip from Quebec city to Ottawa like 3/4 time a year just to watch my Sens play, if there were a casino around i will gladly go there and spend more money knowing it somehow help my teams

I really think Ottawa is a great city to live in. Really similar to Quebec city except that we don't have a hockey team.....yet, but to have both an NHL team and a Casino that would be great for sure

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07-09-2013, 05:05 PM
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This is so frustrating

The only reason Council is backing the RCR is to save face (and potential lobbying by some construction crews but we don't know about those so no use complaining about those)

How in the world is Ottawa going to grow if we refuse to let go of the past. Hell not just the past, but some terrible venue in the middle of nowhere that seemingly requires City Council not follow the proper rules for tendering of contracts to just stay alive?!

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The casino will be run as a separate entity. It would line the pockets of Eugene Melnyk but it wouldn't affect the Senators one iota.

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The casino will be run as a separate entity. It would line the pockets of Eugene Melnyk but it wouldn't affect the Senators one iota.
Sure it would. It would give Eugene more money to pump into the Sens, if he so desires.

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People forget that the only thing that saved the Penguins from going broke and moving was when their city council approved a casino that happened to have a new arena attached to it for the Pens' new home. If that is what it takes to make the Sens self sufficient then go for it.

I live about 10-15 minutes from RCR and I sure as heck don't want a casino around here. It would be terrible. Melnyk is thinking Vegas style casino, city is thinking small town casino with only gaming. One would bring a completely new dynamic to the entertainment scene in Ottawa, the other would make hardly a dent in it. This seems like a no brainer decision. At least let us hear the various proposals so we can make an informed decision. It makes it look like somebody has paid them off.

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For me it's also this false premise floating around that a casino at RCR will make less than one at CTC.

RCR is closer to downtown, close to the airport and a lot of hotels, and is in huge growth area (Riverside South) similar to Stittsville. What makes people so sure that RCR can't host a beutiful world class casino?

Other than being a chance for the owner of a team we all love to get richer, what advantage does CTC have ?
It's a difference of 5 KM if you use Parlement as your center point of Downtown. Because downtown spreads east/west, the difference is less if you use the outskirts. However, if you're talking driving time, it's 5 mins less to get from downtown to the CTC because it's all highway.

Anyhow, it's not really about whether its a false premise or not, it's about being afforded the opportunity to show how the CTC would be more profitable for the city. Proximity to downtown and big businesses is what is important to Casinos imo.

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Sure it would. It would give Eugene more money to pump into the Sens, if he so desires.
He claims to have no current money woes so he has the option to pump more money into the Sens right now. He doesn't because he views his other business interests as being separate from the Senators. He will view the casino in the same light if we're dumb enough to let him have it.

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07-09-2013, 06:03 PM
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The casino will be run as a separate entity. It would line the pockets of Eugene Melnyk but it wouldn't affect the Senators one iota.
And what are you basing that assumption off of?

Do you know anything about running an NHL team?

I'll consider the one who does own and run one more informed on the topic

That is also completely besides the point

The casino is being sole sourced and that's what Melnyk is fighting

You just seem to hate rich people

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None of these are reasons agaist Melnyk aspiring to build the Patriot Place model at CTC. You just invest to scale with the right partners. What I provided is a model that can reproduced to fit Ottawa's market.

I agree a casino would be a profitbale piece of "Senators Place", but I don't see Melnyk talking about a great vision. I see him whining like a kid and threatening legal action because of a decision made at Queen's Park that he is powerless to prevent.

You start with a vision of which a casino is a part, not the other way around.

Move on, and build something special at CTC.

I don't see why any of us should care that provincial gaming rules will lock him out of getting richer. There are lots of ways for him to make a buck, and Queen's Park has taken away the easiest one. Move on to the next.
Queen's Park hasn't taken away anything, it the Mayor that has unilaterally decided that whoever OLGC decides wins the bid to own and operate a casino in Ottawa, that individual must build it at RCR.

Watson made this decision after his preferred location of downtown Ottawa was shot down.

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And what are you basing that assumption off of?

Do you know anything about running an NHL team?

I'll consider the one who does own and run one more informed on the topic

That is also completely besides the point

The casino is being sole sourced and that's what Melnyk is fighting

You just seem to hate rich people
Well it does seem the casino would be another thing some rich man would own, but with some relation to the Sens. I mean when the Sens are sold, the casino wouldn't automatically be packaged with the Sens like the arena probably would right?

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Well it does seem the casino would be another thing some rich man would own, but with some relation to the Sens. I mean when the Sens are sold, the casino wouldn't automatically be packaged with the Sens like the arena probably would right?
From what I gather if things went down exactly as Melnyk as them planned now he'd own 25% of the casino

I'm not sure what that has anything to do with Ed Wood simply railing on some guy for trying to make more money to help him finance his team

Again the issue at hand is that Council will not consider putting a casino anywhere but at the RCR

It's a stupid decision that makes no sense and is also against contract tendering rules for public instutions

That is the issue, not what Melnyk does with his money

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