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07-11-2013, 02:06 PM
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I've always wanted him, but something is off with him. 4 different teams the past 4 years, no one ever seems to miss him and there are a lot who want him out of Minny. What gives?
He's had some off ice issues, from what Ottawa fans posted last year.

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If we could get Tootoo and Abdelkader out of Detroit I would overpay. Someone mentioned earlier they need a top 6 winger to replace Bertuzzi who can't compete anymore. Detroit also needs to clear some contracts and salary, I think we make a good fit.

I would give them Hemsky plus prospects/picks for Tootoo and Abdelkader to fix our team.

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Perron-RNH-Eberle
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Eager/Brown-Lander-Tootoo

Abdelkader can also play C so depending on who fits better he can move between the two.

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07-11-2013, 02:07 PM
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Hemsky for Franzen with salary retained on Hemsky. Gets the Wings out from Franzen's looooong contract.

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Don't take this the wrong way but...for a team lacking size and grit in the bottom 6 is it more beneficial to carry BOTH Lander and Konopka on the roster or to have Lander and say...Will Acton?
I'd prefer Lander and Tootoo/Gaustad/Cleary/etc

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Konopka and Steckel are one trick ponies. They win faceoffs. That's it.

Lander can do everything else, although he will never chip in all that much offensively. Who knows though, he had a great run with OKC at the end of their season so it may be coming around. Ideally he doesn't come in as the 4th C yet, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Oilers think he's a better all around hockey player than Steckel/Konopka
And this helps team toughness how?

Unless you're suggesting Lander can intimidate the opposition .

I swear, there's more Lander love on this board than in Pierre McGuire's basement following the 2010 world juniors

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Hemsky for Franzen with salary retained on Hemsky. Gets the Wings out from Franzen's looooong contract.
No point in doing favours for other teams

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I'd prefer Lander and Tootoo/Gaustad/Cleary/etc
Tootoo is small. How is he different from Mike Brown?

Gaustad makes over 3 million/year. You want to tie up 6 million in our bottom 6 centres?

Cleary...just lol....and he's a family friend too....guys legs are done.

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Tootoo is small. How is he different from Mike Brown?

Gaustad makes over 3 million/year. You want to tie up 6 million in our bottom 6 centres?

Cleary...just lol....and he's a family friend too....guys legs are done.
And yet they're still better options than throwing that plug Kenopka out there

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07-11-2013, 02:14 PM
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And yet they're still better options than throwing that plug Kenopka out there
You named 3 "better" options which I easily debunked with no rebuttal on your behalf.

Give me more names so I can debunk them too. Do it.

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07-11-2013, 02:15 PM
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Tootoo is small. How is he different from Mike Brown?

Gaustad makes over 3 million/year. You want to tie up 6 million in our bottom 6 centres?

Cleary...just lol....and he's a family friend too....guys legs are done.
You might want to check point totals from the past few seasons. Tootoo can actually play and hits just as much if not more than Brown. He plays like Brown except way better.

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And this helps team toughness how?

Unless you're suggesting Lander can intimidate the opposition .

I swear, there's more Lander love on this board than in Pierre McGuire's basement following the 2010 world juniors
Not sure how you inferred that from my post where I said "ideally he's not our 4th C but blah blah blah" where I went on to speculate what I think Oil management is thinking...

Konopka might fight a few times a year. Brown will do that too. That doesn't make our team any harder to play against and he certainly isn't going to keep the puck out of our net.

Again, going back to Mac T's own words. He said the bottom 6 last year just couldn't get it done, too many guys simply weren't players. That is exactly the type of player Steckel and Konopka are, guys who can't get it done and keep up in todays game.

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How is his skating and his physical play?
Average skater. For his size he is a good skater. Good hands and excellent on corners. Night in and night out he brings his work ethic unlike Harti

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No point in doing favours for other teams
Franzen is still a good hockey player and this team can take that cap hit. It'd make the forward roster this:

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Perron - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu - Gordon - Franzen
Smyth - Lander - Jones

All of sudden you've got NHL depth through 4 lines.

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07-11-2013, 02:18 PM
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hemsky plus 2014 third for abdelkaker (probably spelt wrong) and tootoo?

and would something like this be a good deal?

gagner and n.schultz and musil or b level prospect for couts and coburn? add where needed on either side

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Franzen is still a good hockey player and this team can take that cap hit. It'd make the forward roster this:

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Perron - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu - Gordon - Franzen
Smyth - Lander - Jones

All of sudden you've got NHL depth through 4 lines.
We are just making a lateral move acquiring Franzen for Hemsky and taking on a huge contract. He's not going to do any better player with Joensuu and Gordon than Hemmer would. better off trading Hemsky for 2 bottom 6 players Detroit has to better balance ours out.

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07-11-2013, 02:19 PM
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You named 3 "better" options which I easily debunked with no rebuttal on your behalf.

Give me more names so I can debunk them too. Do it.
They're not perfect, and that's why they're bottom 6 players. There's always going to be something wrong with them. Kenopka is the definition of a useless player though. If we're bringing in a player, why bring in a guy that, once the puck is dropped, at the very best isn't a massive liability?

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We are just making a lateral move acquiring Franzen for Hemsky and taking on a huge contract. He's not going to do any better player with Joensuu and Gordon than Hemmer would. better off trading Hemsky for 2 bottom 6 players Detroit has to better balance ours out.
Hemsky isn't going to get you 2 bottom 6 players. Franzen is miles better than Hemsky right now. He's consistent, puts up points, plays good defense and is a huge puck possession player. He's pretty much the exact type of power forward Clarkson is but with more offense, and he actually has a lower cap hit than Clarkson.

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Hemsky isn't going to get you 2 bottom 6 players. Franzen is miles better than Hemsky right now. He's consistent, puts up points, plays good defense and is a huge puck possession player. He's pretty much the exact type of power forward Clarkson is but with more offense, and he actually has a lower cap hit than Clarkson.
Hemsky and a mid draft pick would, and I think that is way more valuable than Franzen when we look at our position right now.

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The Oilers could always "right the wrong" and sign Matthew Lombardi, make him an Oiler as the fates always intended.

Lombardi doesn't do much for toughness, but overall depth, depth at center and inproving team speed, Lombardi does all that in spades, plus he'd likely come pretty cheap.

He's a vet that will know his role and can chip in here and there.

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Hemsky and a mid draft pick would, and I think that is way more valuable than Franzen when we look at our position right now.
He won't get you Abdelkader though. Detroit won't be trading Abdelkader unless there's an overpay of sorts.

So you're looking at something like Tootoo + Miller.

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The Oilers could always "right the wrong" and sign Matthew Lombardi, make him an Oiler as the fates always intended.

Lombardi doesn't do much for toughness, but overall depth, depth at center and inproving team speed, Lombardi does all that in spades, plus he'd likely come pretty cheap.

He's a vet that will know his role and can chip in here and there.
I'd be happy with him on a one year deal. Gives Lander some competition and if he beats Lombardi for 4th C then good on him.

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He won't get you Abdelkader though. Detroit won't be trading Abdelkader unless there's an overpay of sorts.

So you're looking at something like Tootoo + Miller.
There's definitely a chance because Bertuzzi isn't good enough to play in their top 6 anymore. Like I said I'm sure some sort of prospect or picks would get it done. If not, anything is an improvement.

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soooooo here come the Hemsky to Devils trade proposals lol

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Wow, NJD calling for Hemsky?

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I wonder if the Devils now appeal the Kovalchuk contract and get their 1st back this year. They could definitely use it.... Hah.

And now... TRADE HEMSKY TO NEW JERSEY!!
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