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07-09-2013, 11:54 PM
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Buffalo-Vancouver

Two teams that continue to need to be shaken up. Canucks need new blood and longer term cap relief and Buffalo wants to shed older players that don't want to be there anymore or are considered in need of "new scenery". So an old fashioned hockey trade.

To: Vancouver $17.3M

Vanek
Miller
Stafford
Johan Larsonn (Minors)
Brayden mcnabb(minors)


To: Buffalo $16.0M (includes $1.5M for Schroeder as RFA)

Luongo
Edler
Booth
Schroeder
Jensen (minors) or Gaunce

Buffalo can either eat $1M in salary cap or they can figure out how to even things out.


Edler is clearly the long term asset here and jewel and Buffalo has an anchor for 5 more years. Vanek wants out. Miller wants out. Swap of Booth and Stafford to restart their careers.
Canucks do this to try for one last run at cap before Sedins crap out.

For all those Luongo haters,consider this: better lifetime save percentage and GAA than Miller and at 5.3 Million he is still good value. Moving East will help him.

Given Vanek wants to be on a winner not sure any other team has enough cap space to just send out for young players/picks. Those days are over. Maybe next year if cap were to skyrocket but with Canadian dollar at $0.95 US cap will take a hit next year from loftier expectations post new CBA. The six canadian teams actually provide a large disproportionate share of league revenues so something to consider. They are already starting year at -5% revenues to start before dropping any pucks.

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Too many moving parts not enough reason.

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Edit: you know what, just... nevermind.

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If Buffalo wanted to shed older players why would they take the oldest player in teh deal with 8 years left on his deal?.... horrible deal

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Even if this trade were to magically happen...you got to account for the NMC/NTC in this deal.

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No, never, ever, ever.

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Instead of Stafford.....you take Leino

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Did "Nuke" change his name to Walgrove?

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Did "Nuke" change his name to Walgrove?

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To: Vancouver $17.3M

Vanek
Miller
Stafford
Johan Larsonn (Minors)
Brayden mcnabb(minors)


To: Buffalo $16.0M (includes $1.5M for Schroeder as RFA)

Luongo
Edler
Booth
Schroeder
Jensen (minors) or Gaunce


Why

Buffalo is moving Miller and Vanek because we are rebuilding.

therfore we have no need/purpose for Luongo.
Booth is a cap dump

Edler ---with us drafted two Dmen in the 1st round---really have no purpose for Edler.

As for the youth part you want us to give up

Larsson + McNabb for Schroeder+ Jensen/Gaunce......why???

Earlier in threads we pretty much established a deal for Vanek that was a 1st + Jensen+ Gaunce.

Buffalo trading:

Miller---expect a player + 1st or 2nd
Vanek---2 young players + 1st
Stafford---probably 2 2nds but possibly a late 1st.

instead you want us to trade what amounts to 3 young players + 4 draft picks.....you want us to take cap dumps in Booth and Luongo and then take Edler.

We get nothing for booth and Lu---for Edler we might get a pick + a prospect. Still alot short than they 7 prospects we would get for them.

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07-10-2013, 12:28 AM
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Vancouver gives up the most valuable player in Edler (contracts considered), nope.

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Far too much going on here.

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Watch, this thread will now descend into a several page long debate about which team this trade is worse for.

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Watch, this thread will now descend into a several page long debate about which team this trade is worse for.
I don't think that will happen. Pretty clear that it's much worse for Buffalo.

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I wouldn't even take Luongo for a 7th.

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I don't think that will happen. Pretty clear that it's much worse for Buffalo.
What value does Vancouver get in this, particularly situated as they are? As of this moment, Miller isn't as good a goalie as Luongo, for a team that hopes to squeeze the last couple of years of life out of a core. Vanek is a UFA at season's end. Stafford and Booth are both underachievers. Meanwhile, Edler's a top pairing d-man on a sweetheart deal that runs basically from the beginning of his prime years until the end. They give that up and get basically no value, except for avoiding some cap recapture in 5 or 6 years.

It's pretty awful for Vancouver, too.

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What value does Vancouver get in this, particularly situated as they are? As of this moment, Miller isn't as good a goalie as Luongo, for a team that hopes to squeeze the last couple of years of life out of a core. Vanek is a UFA at season's end. Stafford and Booth are both underachievers. Meanwhile, Edler's a top pairing d-man on a sweetheart deal that runs basically from the beginning of his prime years until the end. They give that up and get basically no value, except for avoiding some cap recapture in 5 or 6 years.

It's pretty awful for Vancouver, too.
Any deal that gets rid of Luongo's contract is a guaranteed victory.

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07-10-2013, 12:49 AM
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This is awful for Vancouver.

If Vanek wasn't a UFA maybe Gillis wouldn't hang up and laugh harder than the joker. Luongo is better than Miller and Booth for Stafford is pointless. Buffalo also gets the best player in the deal on an amazing contract.

Edler wouldn't waive for Buffalo anyway.

May as well just make a sticky for Edler proposals at this point smh.

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07-10-2013, 12:50 AM
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Any deal that gets rid of Luongo's contract is a guaranteed victory.
You're right.

Anyone interested in Kesler + Horvat + Luongo for a conditional 7th?

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What value does Vancouver get in this, particularly situated as they are? As of this moment, Miller isn't as good a goalie as Luongo, for a team that hopes to squeeze the last couple of years of life out of a core. Vanek is a UFA at season's end. Stafford and Booth are both underachievers. Meanwhile, Edler's a top pairing d-man on a sweetheart deal that runs basically from the beginning of his prime years until the end. They give that up and get basically no value, except for avoiding some cap recapture in 5 or 6 years.

It's pretty awful for Vancouver, too.
That deal may actually accomplish the impossible if it happened. It would get Darcy Regier fired.

Miller has one year left on his contract. How many years does Luongo have? Which player is better is debatable, but Millers contract is far more attractive. Luongo's is a non starter. He has said so himself.

Booth is a salary dump.

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Any deal that gets rid of Luongo's contract is a guaranteed victory.
I understand that most GM's obviously see Luongo's contract as terrible, but that is basically your way of saying you:
a) don't know how the deal is worse for Buffalo, just trying to take a shot at Luongo
b) are foolish enough to actually believe Luongo's contract is bad enough that no GM will take him under ANY circumstance.

Just to be clear, I don't know enough about Larsonn and McNabb to necessarily say who I think won the trade, though I think Buffalo fans are undervaluing Edler/Jensen/Gaunce.

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That deal may actually accomplish the impossible if it happened. It would get Darcy Regier fired.

Miller has one year left on his contract. How many years does Luongo have? Which player is better is debatable, but Millers contract is far more attractive. Luongo's is a non starter. He has said so himself.

Booth is a salary dump.
Are you and all other Buffalo fans going to disregard all the other pieces, or will you realize this trade is more than Luongo for Miller?

And as a genuine question, does Buffalo have any legitimate goaltending prospects in their system?

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to Buffalo

Kessler
Bieksa
Kassian
Schneider (oops, he's already gone)
2014 1st

to Vancouver

Leino
Stafford
Miller (he did have Edler in there)
Navin

seems as fair as the op's suggestion

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God awful for Vancouver. Luongo's value to Vancouver is higher than his trade value suggests he's statistically been a better goalie then Miller in all but 2 years. So Vancouver downgrades in net (Barring contract) and trades the most valuable piece in Edler? Makes zero sense. Don't see any incentive for Buffalo to do this either. All around bad proposal.

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That deal may actually accomplish the impossible if it happened. It would get Darcy Regier fired.

Miller has one year left on his contract. How many years does Luongo have? Which player is better is debatable, but Millers contract is far more attractive. Luongo's is a non starter. He has said so himself.

Booth is a salary dump.

Contracts have no bearing on the quality of a team, cap hits do (which Luongo's is reasonable), so that's a moot point if we're discussing Vancouver trying to win a cup while the Sedins are still effective offensive players. Luongo does not handicap our team's chances of winning in the next 3-4 (or even 5) years. Booth has been injury rattled over the past few seasons, if he manages to stay healthy then he could be worth his 4.2 million cap hit, he's worth keeping for at least 1 more season.

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to Buffalo

Kessler
Bieksa
Kassian
Schnieder (oops, he's already gone)
2014 1st

to Vancouver

Leino
Stafford
Miller (he did have Edler in there)
Navin

seems as fair as the op's suggestion
What a terrible comparison.

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