Hey Nashville fans, I just wanted to give you a few updates on Weber from what I saw at the Memorial Cup. The kid is dynamite, solid defensively, strong "although he was outmuscled by a smaller but very strong Sid Crosby". I think that you guys have a very good prospect there. That said, I see that Suter is your #1 ranked prospect, IMO it should be the other way around. From what I saw of Suter at the WJC's, he isn't near the defensive d-man that Weber is, and both have very good shots. So IMO Weber is the better player, I was just wondering if this is a shared opinion on this board or not. Weber will be a very good d-man for many years to come in Nash, congrats on drafting a great player.
Hey Nashville fans, I just wanted to give you a few updates on Weber from what I saw at the Memorial Cup. The kid is dynamite, solid defensively, strong "although he was outmuscled by a smaller but very strong Sid Crosby". I think that you guys have a very good prospect there. That said, I see that Suter is your #1 ranked prospect, IMO it should be the other way around. From what I saw of Suter at the WJC's, he isn't near the defensive d-man that Weber is, and both have very good shots. So IMO Weber is the better player, I was just wondering if this is a shared opinion on this board or not. Weber will be a very good d-man for many years to come in Nash, congrats on drafting a great player.
Not even close. Suter's WJC should be in no way a litmus for his skill as a defensive d-man. He was often doing the job of two men, being paired with the dreadful Jeff Likens. Suter's AHL season is probably a much better indication for how good he is as a shutdown guy. Weber is the more physical of the two, but in terms of overall skill, few really even rival Suter.
From what I saw of Suter at the WJC's, he isn't near the defensive d-man that Weber is, and both have very good shots. So IMO Weber is the better player, I was just wondering if this is a shared opinion on this board or not. Weber will be a very good d-man for many years to come in Nash, congrats on drafting a great player.
Thanks for the kind words on Weber, however I will respectfully disagree with your comparison between Weber and Suter. Weber might be more adept in his own zone but using the WJC's as your example isn't exactly fair to Suter. He wasn't great, but he looked much worse than he was thanks to his team. It's a lot like judging Phaneuf in this years playoffs. He was OK, good even, but hardly his dominant self. Defenseman often suffer the fate of their teams and that was the case with Suter. That being said, he was awesome upon his return with Milwaukee and was, with Dan Hamhuis (arguably the best defenseman in the AHL last year), the best Dman on Milwaukee.
I think his shot is slightly better than Weber, but Suter is a much better skater, much better passer, and has much better hands with the puck. Now, Weber is no slouch in passing, skating, and stickhandling, but the offensive part of his game is something that many here question with regards to NHL viability. Points in juniors doesn't always transfer over. Weber projects to be our shutdown Dman, but Suter projects to be pretty much what he wants to be. If he wants to point the PP, he's got the talent to do it. If we wants to be in the shutdown pairing, he's got the talent to do it.
Hey Nashville fans, I just wanted to give you a few updates on Weber from what I saw at the Memorial Cup. The kid is dynamite, solid defensively, strong "although he was outmuscled by a smaller but very strong Sid Crosby".
if you loved weber at the memorial cup, wait until he plays up to his game. shea didn't have a great three games to his standard, he played alot better at the world juniors 05 and memorial cup 04.
that play that crosby out muscled him was just one play, crosbys legs are like tree trunks and he got postion on weber. shea if allowed to he could be one of the toughest fighters in the west, he is still bigger and stronger than crosby.
suter and weber are totally different defensemen as smokey and nomore have said. overall suter is still higher ranked but the preds are loading for the future on defense. suter is the ray bourque type and weber is the scott stevens type, lots of room for both of them on the preds for years to come.
if you loved weber at the memorial cup, wait until he plays up to his game. shea didn't have a great three games to his standard, he played alot better at the world juniors 05 and memorial cup 04.
that play that crosby out muscled him was just one play, crosbys legs are like tree trunks and he got postion on weber. shea if allowed to he could be one of the toughest fighters in the west, he is still bigger and stronger than crosby.
suter and weber are totally different defensemen as smokey and nomore have said. overall suter is still higher ranked but the preds are loading for the future on defense. suter is the ray bourque type and weber is the scott stevens type, lots of room for both of them on the preds for years to come.
since you're a Kelowna/WHL fan ... when you saw Dan Hamhuis come into town with PG ... who would you compare his game to?
since you're a Kelowna/WHL fan ... when you saw Dan Hamhuis come into town with PG ... who would you compare his game to?
we hated hamhuis with a passion in kelowna, he was a cheap shot artist. just before hamhuis was leaving to join team canada at the world juniors he hit randall gelech (now with utah grizzlies) with a late cheap open ice hit and high stick. broke gelech's collar bone and hamhuis didn't get suspended because he was representing canada.
i haven't seen hamhuis play in awhile but i think his play mirrors suters play. not as good of wheels but will be a solid nhl'er for years to come.
Points in juniors doesn't always transfer over. Weber projects to be our shutdown Dman, but Suter projects to be pretty much what he wants to be. If he wants to point the PP, he's got the talent to do it. If we wants to be in the shutdown pairing, he's got the talent to do it.
kelowna defensive system doesn't allow for the defense to rush much, pass or dump it out to the forwards then they try to get possession. when weber rushes he has good wheels and is good at passing.
i believe next year milwaukee coaches will make shea a stay at home guy, in years to come the preds will open it up for shea when he has the professional defense down pat. under a different junior team, shea might of been a very good offensive defense man.
we hated hamhuis with a passion in kelowna, he was a cheap shot artist. just before hamhuis was leaving to join team canada at the world juniors he hit randall gelech (now with utah grizzlies) with a late cheap open ice hit and high stick. broke gelech's collar bone and hamhuis didn't get suspended because he was representing canada.
Wow, he must have grown up considerably. I think he had one incident in his first year in the AHL (high stick), but nothing at all since. He'll clobber you open ice though it's usually along the boards, where you can't escape, but nothing dirty.
Still, outside of his dirty play, how good was he?
that play that crosby out muscled him was just one play, crosbys legs are like tree trunks and he got postion on weber. shea if allowed to he could be one of the toughest fighters in the west, he is still bigger and stronger than crosby.
IMO Crosby is a lot stronger than many think that he is. It is by no means a slap in the face to Weber, just a glowing endorsement for Crosby's strength. I really like Weber, and his shot IMO should at the very least provide effective on the PP in the NHL. He's a very solid player IMO, and he will fit in very well with the rest on Nashville's young d-core.
Thanks for the kind words on Weber, however I will respectfully disagree with your comparison between Weber and Suter. Weber might be more adept in his own zone but using the WJC's as your example isn't exactly fair to Suter. He wasn't great, but he looked much worse than he was thanks to his team.
I'm glad to hear that for Nashville's sake, based solely on his WJC play I felt that he was very overrated. Of course every player has ups and downs, I guess that I must've seen him on a down time.
I'm glad to hear that for Nashville's sake, based solely on his WJC play I felt that he was very overrated. Of course every player has ups and downs, I guess that I must've seen him on a down time.
Well, he did lead all defensemen in points and was named to the tournament All-Star team so he didn't play that poorly.......... Like has already been said, Suter was asked to do too much because the overall make-up of the defense was so poor. He was basically on his own much of the time.
Wow, he must have grown up considerably. I think he had one incident in his first year in the AHL (high stick), but nothing at all since. He'll clobber you open ice though it's usually along the boards, where you can't escape, but nothing dirty.
Still, outside of his dirty play, how good was he?
hamhuis was good and deserving of his first round pick status, but he was cheap and it wasn't just one incident.
my brother was going to drag his dad out of a prince george arena one game and beat the crap out of him, but after a minute he thought it wasn't a good idea. his dad is one of those dad's that think their kid is the greatest player in the world.
i am surprised that he is doing as well as he is, i always thought he was overrated and just a very good junior player. wait and see how he does at the nhl level to see if i was right or not.
Well, he did lead all defensemen in points and was named to the tournament All-Star team so he didn't play that poorly.......... Like has already been said, Suter was asked to do too much because the overall make-up of the defense was so poor. He was basically on his own much of the time.
Maybe not, but in my eyes he was being vastly overrated. The US team this year was just not very strong defensively and if he felt that he had to make up for his partners in-effectiveness, then I can see why he could've done better. He had a very good point shot, I still wonder if he'll be able to handle his own in front of the net in the NHL. Weber IMO will be a solid 2-way d-man. I'm basing this on roughly a handful of games of each.So to say that I've seen the best/worst of each would be a lie. That said, I still like Weber's game very much.
Maybe not, but in my eyes he was being vastly overrated. The US team this year was just not very strong defensively and if he felt that he had to make up for his partners in-effectiveness, then I can see why he could've done better. He had a very good point shot, I still wonder if he'll be able to handle his own in front of the net in the NHL. Weber IMO will be a solid 2-way d-man. I'm basing this on roughly a handful of games of each.So to say that I've seen the best/worst of each would be a lie. That said, I still like Weber's game very much.
I think his play with Milwaukee this year was a better indicator of his overall ability than at the WJC's.
I think his play with Milwaukee this year was a better indicator of his overall ability than at the WJC's.
Agreed, and like Smokey said...it'd be like saying Phaneuf is overrated because he had a pretty poor playoffs. People are generally willing to forgive one but not the other.
I just watched the last of Kelowna's 3 Memorial Cup games, and man do you guys have a player!!! Tough,agressive,solid defensively,good shot, solid player!!! If you guys feel that you're already too stacked with Hamhuis and Suter, maybe the Oil could take him off your hands!!! Man I can't believe that no-one took the kid in the 1st round!!! Great job by your scouts, congrats on a great young player.
I just watched the last of Kelowna's 3 Memorial Cup games, and man do you guys have a player!!! Tough,agressive,solid defensively,good shot, solid player!!! If you guys feel that you're already too stacked with Hamhuis and Suter, maybe the Oil could take him off your hands!!! Man I can't believe that no-one took the kid in the 1st round!!! Great job by your scouts, congrats on a great young player.
Actually, it was pretty surprising to a lot of people that Weber went as high as he did. He pretty much flew under the radar going into the draft, and save for Preds management, for awhile after the draft.
Actually, it was pretty surprising to a lot of people that Weber went as high as he did. He pretty much flew under the radar going into the draft, and save for Preds management, for awhile after the draft.
Great job by the Preds scouting staff then, there's no question in my mind that he will be at least a top 4 defenseman in the NHL with the potential to even be a top 2. Hopefully the Oilers can land a stud defensive prospect like Weber in the next draft.
I would say that Suter is underrated, while on the other hand Wever is a bit overrated.
I can agree with that. It's incredible what being paired with Jeff Likens did to Suter's reputation around here. Ever since the WJC, Suter has went from some slam-dunk prospect to a "safe, should be decent" kind of guy, which is ridiculous, considering he managed to make the all-WJC team, lead the tournament in defensive points...and that's not even taking into account how good he was in the AHL this year. But whatever. I wouldn't be surprised to see Suter crack the Preds' lineup after the lockout, depending on what happens...and I'm not worried about him proving his mettle.
Right. Looking at how poorly the American team played and who was on the team, Suter's performance was commendable; certainly not enough for him to be knocked down a few notches in many people's eyes.
On the flip side of that, look at how dominant the Canadian team was. With that being considered, it's not surprising that Weber had a great tournament; everyone on the team did. Weber is a quality prospect, don't get me wrong. But I think people expect too much from him, mostly because of the WJCs.
I also would say that Weber isn't in the same class as Suter.
you sound like a real credible source, i bet you haven't seen either play. its obvious that you know nothing about quality defensemen.
I've seen both, and I agree with him. Don't get me wrong...I'm a huge Weber fan...and he plays a different sort of game from Suter...but it's like saying Adam Foote is better than Chris Chelios was in his prime(using the two players I'd most compare Weber and Suter to) and it's just not really much of a debate. Chelios is likely headed to the hall of fame..where Foote will be remembered as a punishing, top flight d-man..but not a hall of famer.
but it's like saying Adam Foote is better than Chris Chelios was in his prime(using the two players I'd most compare Weber and Suter to) and it's just not really much of a debate.
WOW!!! I guess that he must really have another 3-4 gears that he uses when he wasn't in the this past years WJC's!!! I saw little of Suter in the mold of Chelios. If he has 1/2 the heart that Chris does, then I guess I can see why you are all touting him so highly. I still wonder if he can hold his own against much bigger forwards, I guess time will tell!!!
