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View Poll Results: Which one and which order?
Devils, Islanders, Rangers 19 8.68%
Devils, Rangers, Islanders 29 13.24%
Rangers, Devils, Islanders 32 14.61%
Rangers, Islanders, Devils 93 42.47%
Islanders, Devils, Rangers 7 3.20%
Islanders, Rangers, Devils 39 17.81%
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07-12-2013, 07:40 AM
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Not sure why the Rangers are getting so much love in this thread.
The Islanders and Rangers were essentially even last year.
In a 48 game schedule, the way the divisions are now the Isles wouldn't have even been in the playoffs. Rangers were 3-0-1 against the Isles last year.

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The Rangers lose Clowe/Gaborik while the Islanders are mostly net neutral from last year.
Clowe did nothing for us but get hurt, Gaborik netted us depth on D and C. Saying the Isles are net neutral with their D looking like it is and needing improvement is not a good thing

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They also aren't going to punt 5 games to DP like last year which can only help
Nabokov looked horrible in the playoffs, Is Poulin ready to be a #1?


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07-12-2013, 07:42 AM
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G - Rangers, Devils, Isles
D - Rangers, Devils, Isles
F - Isles, Rangers, Devils (edge goes to Isles b/c of Tavares, but it's not that far off. Would have ranked the same way pre-kovalchuk)


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In a 48 game schedule, the way the divisions are now the Isles wouldn't have even been in the playoffs. Rangers were 3-0-1 against the Isles last year.


Clowe did nothing for us but get hurt, Gaborik netted us depth on D and C. Saying the Isles are net neutral with their D looking like it is and needing improvement is not a good thing



Nabokov looked horrible in the playoffs, Is Poulin ready to be a #1?
Hey it's been a while since we've had so few weak areas

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In a 48 game schedule, the way the divisions are now the Isles wouldn't have even been in the playoffs. Rangers were 3-0-1 against the Isles last year.


Clowe did nothing for us but get hurt, Gaborik netted us depth on D and C. Saying the Isles are net neutral with their D looking like it is and needing improvement is not a good thing



Nabokov looked horrible in the playoffs, Is Poulin ready to be a #1?
Rangers offense looked horrible in the playoffs AND the regular season. Nabokov looked horrible, yes, but he was also going up against the Pens.

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Rangers offense looked horrible in the playoffs AND the regular season. Nabokov looked horrible, yes, but he was also going up against the Pens.
Nabokov is one year older now. He's not getting any better and it's not just the playoffs he didn't play we'll.

Torts doesn't work in NY anymore. Lets see what AV can get out of this offense.

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Hey it's been a while since we've had so few weak areas
Eventually that will get there as well with Reinhart and Pulock. De Haan would be great as well if he wasn't hurt all the time. Hamonic and AMac are great as well.

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Nabokov is one year older now. He's not getting any better and it's not just the playoffs he didn't play we'll.

Torts doesn't work in NY anymore. Lets see what AV can get out of this offense.
Technically not true.

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It's going to be a VERY exciting season, with all 3 NY metro area teams having very competitive teams.

Can't freakin wait for the season to start.
Whoops.

Can I change my vote now.

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I guess the Isles/Devils are interchangeable, but Rangers are clearly ahead IMO.
Maybe interchangeable because they're passing each other while one is on the way up and the other is on the way down. Right now, Devils top 6 are

Elias-Zajac-Clowe
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Zajac and Henrique made their muffins with far more dynamic wingers than they have now. I don't know how that looks great to anyone. Add to that a goaltending situation with two starters...

I agree than the Rangers are ahead of the Islanders, mostly due to goaltending. It will be really interesting what happens with the Rangers this year. They'll be under the most pressure to get off to a great start. How they respond will mean everything.

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damn you kovalchuk.

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Maybe interchangeable because they're passing each other while one is on the way up and the other is on the way down. Right now, Devils top 6 are

Elias-Zajac-Clowe
???-Henrique-Ryder

Zajac and Henrique made their muffins with far more dynamic wingers than they have now. I don't know how that looks great to anyone. Add to that a goaltending situation with two starters...

I agree than the Rangers are ahead of the Islanders, mostly due to goaltending. It will be really interesting what happens with the Rangers this year. They'll be under the most pressure to get off to a great start. How they respond will mean everything.
their forward group is largely mediocre, but they added a .930 sv% goalie on already one of the top teams at preventing shots against. not sure how that'll be since they let go off Clarkson, who was one of their top puck possession players.

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Not sure why the Rangers are getting so much love in this thread. The Islanders and Rangers were essentially even last year. The Rangers lose Clowe/Gaborik while the Islanders are mostly net neutral from last year. They also aren't going to punt 5 games to DP like last year which can only help
The Rangers were a much better team after they dumped Gaborik for Moore, Brassard and Dorsett.

We also missed Dorsett for the regular season, didn't have Staal and Hagelin/Callahan were each playing with one arm.

So while we didn't technically "add" many pieces of value, a healthy group and adding in some very good prospects like Kreider and Miller, I really think we're going to be a lot better than last year. If anyone watched the team last season, our biggest issue was finding help from our bottom 6. We had 2 lines that were relevant and the rest were trash.

We fixed that issue, to the point of over signing guys. It's a very deep team now and with AV at the helm we will be much more offensively oriented.

Say what you want, but last season was a bad year for us with injuries. If we stay healthy this year, this team will be back to one of the best in the East.

And losing Ryan Clowe hahahaha. All 2 games he scored in were so vital to our success last season. Guy is done.

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I chose Rangers, Devils, Islanders.

I think Rangers will finish with more points than the other two, but between the Devils and Isles that is another toss up.

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The Rangers are the much better team than the Isles and Devils. It's not even close. Lots of injuries last year hurt the Rangers. This team with a new coach could be a top seed in the east.

Besides Tavares, I don't see much talent on the Isles. The Isles over a long 82 season could struggle to get a playoff spot

Losing Kovy hurts the Devils but they still have some real good players. I can see the Devils still getting a playoffs spot.

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The Rangers are the much better team than the Isles and Devils. It's not even close. Lots of injuries last year hurt the Rangers. This team with a new coach could be a top seed in the east.

Besides Tavares, I don't see much talent on the Isles. The Isles over a long 82 season could struggle to get a playoff spot

Losing Kovy hurts the Devils but they still have some real good players. I can see the Devils still getting a playoffs spot.
lol what a joke of a post.

You don't see much talent on the Isles? Lots of injuries last year hurt the rangers? You mean one injury, right? Staal.


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lol what a joke of a post.

You don't see much talent on the Isles? Lots of injuries last year hurt the rangers? You mean one injury, right? Staal.
Staal was a gigantic injury for us. Callahan and Hagelin had labrum tears.

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The only reason why I think the Devils will be second is because of Schneider and Brodeur's goaltending. Otherwise if that fails they are dead last.

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Staal was a gigantic injury for us. Callahan and Hagelin had labrum tears.
Yes, obviously Staal was a big loss, he was having a great year. Callahan and Hagelin only lost 3 games combined though.

That's not even the reason why I said it was a joke of a post. People think Tavares is the only good player on the team, it's nonsense. Saying the Rangers are a much better team and it's not even close is questionable. How about we see what the new coach does with the team first.

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Yes, obviously Staal was a big loss, he was having a great year. Callahan and Hagelin only lost 3 games combined though.

That's not even the reason why I said it was a joke of a post. People think Tavares is the only good player on the team, it's nonsense.
Callahan and Hagelin both played with torn labrums requiring surgery. Callahan's occurred in January. Injuries that require a player to sit out are not the only types of injuries.

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In a 48 game schedule, the way the divisions are now the Isles wouldn't have even been in the playoffs. Rangers were 3-0-1 against the Isles last year.

Nabokov looked horrible in the playoffs, Is Poulin ready to be a #1?
Who cares what the divisions will be like next year, the Isles made the playoffs based on what was there, not what wasn't. Then the circumstances would change for everyone and the games are different. It's stupid to suggest that. And for the Rangers going 3-0-1, that's nice but let's also realize that other then the 4-1 loss in the first game, the last three went to OT/SO, that record is hardly representative of how the games were played.

Nabokov did look horrible in the playoffs. But he also played 41 of the 48 regular season games and was probably burnt at that point. I believe he was second in wins. Give him Poulin instead of Ricky (who killed us in every game he played in, literally) to back him up and he gets more breathers. Either way, if he's ass in the playoffs he's a playoff no show then, we can still ride his regular season success in there.

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Yes, obviously Staal was a big loss, he was having a great year. Callahan and Hagelin only lost 3 games combined though.

That's not even the reason why I said it was a joke of a post. People think Tavares is the only good player on the team, it's nonsense. Saying the Rangers are a much better team and it's not even close is questionable. How about we see what the new coach does with the team first.
I don't agree with the poster who said there is little talent on the Islanders, but the Rangers are a better team and the difference isn't negligible.

As for those injuries, see azroks post below.

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Who cares what the divisions will be like next year, the Isles made the playoffs based on what was there, not what wasn't. Then the circumstances would change for everyone and the games are different. It's stupid to suggest that. And for the Rangers going 3-0-1, that's nice but let's also realize that other then the 4-1 loss in the first game, the last three went to OT/SO, that record is hardly representative of how the games were played.

Nabokov did look horrible in the playoffs. But he also played 41 of the 48 regular season games and was probably burnt at that point. I believe he was second in wins. Give him Poulin instead of Ricky (who killed us in every game he played in, literally) to back him up and he gets more breathers. Either way, if he's ass in the playoffs he's a playoff no show then, we can still ride his regular season success in there.
You should care what the divisions will be like next year. It's going to be harder for teams to make the playoffs.

Wins are wins. You can spin it anyway you want but the Rangers didn't have a regulation loss against the Islanders once last year.

Poulin hasn't proven anything yet. Nabokov is one year older, 38 years old. How will he fair in the full season?

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I just wonder how 22 people could possibly think the Rangers will be the last of the three.

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You should care what the divisions will be like next year. It's going to be harder for teams to make the playoffs.

Wins are wins. You can spin it anyway you want but the Rangers didn't have a regulation loss against the Islanders once last year.

Poulin hasn't proven anything yet. Nabokov is one year older, 38 years old. How will he fair in the full season?
You said the Isles wouldn't have made the playoffs if the divisions were how they are designed for this upcoming season. You don't know that. You have no idea how it would have played out, no one does.

Agreed, but to throw out the 3-0-1 record like it has any bearing on next year or how the games went down doesn't mean much to me.

No he hasn't and I don't know. But I believe Poulin is at the age and has had the proper development in the AHL to be a quality back up. In a normal season, maybe not as normal with the olympics but still better than the 48 game schedule, Poulin will be able to give Nabby the rest he needs which will definitely serve him better. Ricky couldn't be put out there because he was outright terrible and lost us games we wish we had back. That liability is gone for next season.

Just throwing in that you want to question goaltending, that's fine but know that despite his playoffs and age, I believe Nabokov is a good starting goalie. Good. That's it. He definitely has the ability to get hot given his March-April record. He has the teams confidence. He also now doesn't have to be a work horse playing 85% of the teams games, which surely would only better him.

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You said the Isles wouldn't have made the playoffs if the divisions were how they are designed for this upcoming season. You don't know that. You have no idea how it would have played out, no one does.

Agreed, but to throw out the 3-0-1 record like it has any bearing on next year or how the games went down doesn't mean much to me.

No he hasn't and I don't know. But I believe Poulin is at the age and has had the proper development in the AHL to be a quality back up. In a normal season, maybe not as normal with the olympics but still better than the 48 game schedule, Poulin will be able to give Nabby the rest he needs which will definitely serve him better. Ricky couldn't be put out there because he was outright terrible and lost us games we wish we had back. That liability is gone for next season.

Just throwing in that you want to question goaltending, that's fine but know that despite his playoffs and age, I believe Nabokov is a good starting goalie. Good. That's it. He definitely has the ability to get hot given his March-April record. He has the teams confidence. He also now doesn't have to be a work horse playing 85% of the teams games, which surely would only better him.
especially considering 2 of those games were won in OT (Gaborik and Girardi OT goals).

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