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07-11-2013, 01:06 PM
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I'm fascinated by this stat:

Do you guys realize Perron is the heaviest player in the top 6 for Edmonton now?
he's got 5 lbs on Gagner

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07-11-2013, 01:09 PM
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Paajarvi will do well in a structured system with Hitchcock. Besides lowering the overall payroll I'm sure that's why he was an attractive target. It was a good trade for STL.

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Paajarvi will do well in a structured system with Hitchcock. Besides lowering the overall payroll I'm sure that's why he was an attractive target. It was a good trade for STL.
Agreed. The kid is good. He will bea 15-20 goal scorer consistently at minimum on a team like the Blues. He is very underrated. You guys got a really good player. Give to get I guess.

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I'm super excited about this kid. I know it was somewhat of a salary dump, but I think in the end this will be a good trade. I also think this might be what sends Berglund over the hump. They are good together in international play and its all to fishy how now he ends up here. I think this kicks Berglund in the rear, while also doing the same for Paajarvi. Plus we have Steen, that could be one sweet line.

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07-11-2013, 02:38 PM
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The hilarious thing about the people that bash this trade and the Roy and Lapierre signings is that if we did NOTHING and stood pat with the same roster, they'd be having a fit.

Armstrong just can't win with some people.

Ignore the negative nancies and let the season do the talking.
Honestly I am not sure if people would be going nuts or not. I was not a fan of the Roy trade however after clearing Perron out for what I consider a decent return and if this enables them to bring back Stewart and Pie, I like the deal more now. I also think RVI will fit in well on Blues if Hitch uses him right so I probably like the Perron trade more than most.

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07-11-2013, 02:43 PM
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I'm fascinated by this stat:

Do you guys realize Perron is the heaviest player in the top 6 for Edmonton now?

The Blues would manhandle them


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07-11-2013, 03:17 PM
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The Blues are a heavy team, pretty funny when you compare us to Edmonton. Average NHL player is about 6'1'' 205, and 10 of our 14 forwards are at least that:

Backes - 6'3'' 225
Stewart - 6'2'' 225
Reaves - 6'2'' 229
Berglund - 6'4'' 220
Paajarvi - 6'3'' 208
Cracknell - 6'2'' 210
Lapierre - 6'2'' 207
Porter - 6'1'' 210
Steen - 6'1'' 206
Tarasenko - 6'0'' 210

The Oilers legitimately have like two forwards with size.

Funny thing is Edmonton's official site has Perron listed at 205 which cannot even be close to being true. I know our site always listed him at 200 lbs but he's gotta be around 190. He's not bulky.

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Funny thing is Edmonton's official site has Perron listed at 205 which cannot even be close to being true. I know our site always listed him at 200 lbs but he's gotta be around 190. He's not bulky.
Perron started to become very strong since once he learned about nutrition and taking care of his body from Nelson Ayotte. I definitely buy that he's roughly 200 pounds.

Tarasenko on the other hand is laughably listed at 219 on the Blues site. He's young and his body will develop but he has ways to go before that "Tank" label comes to fruition. I couldn't have been the only one that was stunned by how thin and weak he looked last year. Maybe not Perron Rookie-year weak but definitely weak relative to his advanced age (for a rookie) and the scouting reports about his thick frame. I'm sure Ayotte and Co. had quite a plan for him this offseason.

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The Blues are a heavy team, pretty funny when you compare us to Edmonton. Average NHL player is about 6'1'' 205, and 10 of our 14 forwards are at least that:

Backes - 6'3'' 225
Stewart - 6'2'' 225
Reaves - 6'2'' 229
Berglund - 6'4'' 220
Paajarvi - 6'3'' 208
Cracknell - 6'2'' 210
Lapierre - 6'2'' 207
Porter - 6'1'' 210
Steen - 6'1'' 206
Tarasenko - 6'0'' 210

The Oilers legitimately have like two forwards with size.

Funny thing is Edmonton's official site has Perron listed at 205 which cannot even be close to being true. I know our site always listed him at 200 lbs but he's gotta be around 190. He's not bulky.

and Sobotka plays like a 6'2 220lber

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07-11-2013, 05:15 PM
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and Sobotka plays like a 6'2 220lber
i think you mean 6'5 240 LB'er

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and Sobotka plays like a 6'2 220lber
Sobotka players bigger then most of our big players outside of Reaves and Backes really.

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07-11-2013, 05:58 PM
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The Blues are a heavy team, pretty funny when you compare us to Edmonton. Average NHL player is about 6'1'' 205, and 10 of our 14 forwards are at least that:

Backes - 6'3'' 225
Stewart - 6'2'' 225
Reaves - 6'2'' 229
Berglund - 6'4'' 220
Paajarvi - 6'3'' 208
Cracknell - 6'2'' 210
Lapierre - 6'2'' 207
Porter - 6'1'' 210
Steen - 6'1'' 206
Tarasenko - 6'0'' 210

The Oilers legitimately have like two forwards with size.

Funny thing is Edmonton's official site has Perron listed at 205 which cannot even be close to being true. I know our site always listed him at 200 lbs but he's gotta be around 190. He's not bulky.
So MPS is 2 lbs from being the lightest on the Blues top 9. I think that sums up the two teams philosophies pretty well.

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07-11-2013, 06:01 PM
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So MPS is 2 lbs from being the lightest on the Blues top 9. I think that sums up the two teams philosophies pretty well.
Ah, no that is leaving Schwartz and maybe Roy off the list. But MPS is still in the lighter half of that group.

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07-11-2013, 06:14 PM
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Ah, no that is leaving Schwartz and maybe Roy off the list. But MPS is still in the lighter half of that group.
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07-11-2013, 07:17 PM
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10/14 forwards are over 6' and the other 4 play with some physicality. I like it!

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07-11-2013, 07:54 PM
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I loved Maggie in EDM. I still dont understand why we are giving up on the guy when we could have and should have used him in a package for acquiring a centre or Dman.

I think when all is said and done Maggie has shown the ability to perform and is very coachable. Hitch will love him and considering Hitch knows the oilers inside and out he likely had some say in this trade and was aksed what he thought of Magnus.


I hope he pots 20 and eventually the 30 he is capable of. Just dont sign Belanger.

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07-11-2013, 08:18 PM
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Classic HFB logic.

I think you guys got a good deal with MPS. There were talks about the Oilers trading him to the Flyers in a deal surrounding Coburn at the draft that I was hoping would go through. I think that your worst case scenario with MPS is that you get the same player as Perron.
i agree with this. i dont mind perron but the Oilers really needed a centre with size in our top6 or a top 4 nasty RHD. Maggie should have been used to those ends and i am more than a little upset that we sell so low on this guy. I dont mean to be bashing Perron, i am more so pointing out Maggie was with Belanger and Horcoff for most of the year, played 9 some minutes a night in those games, hardly touched the puck because both of those centres were black holes and our defense atrocious, no PP time, and his defensive IQ -which is very high- had him constantly cheating defensively because he knew he was the only decent defensive player on the ice -including dmen.

STL got a **** stud. IT irritates me that we traded him, but it is worst that we traded him for a asset who plays a position that is the last position we needed upgrading.

as it stands today we have not improved our centre situation nor our top4 d...and THAT goes into puck possession and ability to get pucks out... which then affects our top 6 ability to score and our goaltending.

**** this.


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I'm super excited about this kid. I know it was somewhat of a salary dump, but I think in the end this will be a good trade. I also think this might be what sends Berglund over the hump. They are good together in international play and its all to fishy how now he ends up here. I think this kicks Berglund in the rear, while also doing the same for Paajarvi. Plus we have Steen, that could be one swede line.
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07-11-2013, 09:22 PM
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Perron should score 35+ now that he is gong to an offensive powerhouse team like the Oilers

Goals scored in 2012/2013

Oilers 125
Blues 129

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It is nice to see the good things Oilers fans have to say about Magnus.

Not even regarding his play on the ice, just the fact that everyone is raving about his good attitude and desire to win. I like that.

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07-11-2013, 09:50 PM
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MPS will have way better linemates on the Blues 3rd line playing with Berglund and Tarasenko. Deadly 3rd line. That 3rd line will produce lots of points playing against other 3rd lines. Our 4 lines are insane. Unreal depth and our 4th line will knock the hell out of you


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07-11-2013, 10:31 PM
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I think the Blues are going to be a pain to play against. The Eastern Conference teams are not going to like it much.

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07-11-2013, 10:55 PM
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all in all the trade is what it is - lets hope his size, speed and defensive awareness helps us win and sparks something with bergy.

we still need a number one goalie

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07-12-2013, 01:36 PM
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Browsing through this thread and noticing that a few of the posters on here are huge MPS Homers and vastly overrating our players as per usual. I fear you fans are going to get disappointed if you have high hopes for him. They love his potential, but he's shown nothing in the past two seasons but bad habits. If MPS was not over 6 foot, he would have been tossed to the wolves long ago, and if he wasn't a first round draft pick, he would be in Europe.

Low down:

MPS suffers from trying to listen/pleasethe coach and play the system too much. He doesn't let the game come to him, instead he pushes his style and natural instincts into a structure. Many consider his offensive awareness to be low, and I'd have to agree.

MPS cheats FOR defence. It isn't an unusual sight to see him as the third man back when your team is on offence and in their zone. His puck support and cycling are non existent. He has not learned when to help on offence and when to back off zone possession.

MPS hasn't learned to use his size and balance. He's easily knocked off the puck coming down the wing, he will learn i have no doubt to chip and chase in Hitch's system. However in ours, he would get plastered through the boards and lose the puck far too often. Unfortunately that also means his board play is weak. He cannot protect it, he is just not strong enough yet.

MPS was/is known to waste pucks at the goalie when he could have handled the puck into a better shooting position. He doesn't realize how much time or space he has. Hence his awful shooting %. He had these bad habits near the end of his rookie campaign when he hit a wall. Two steps over the blue line and he'll flub a "Ryan Smyth clapper" into the goalie.
He is not a goal scorer, and is not a good passer. Just google how many goals he's had back to junior. Nuff 'said.

He made his mark as a defensive checking winger...however up here the boys are bigger, stronger and until he learns to use his size and body positioning he will not be successful even in that role.

Which brings me to my next point...the kid lacks passion...he's not fiesty, or mean enough to battle for a puck and win it. You keep hearing, he's a great kid, good locker room presence...etc...yes it's true, he's one of the nicest people around, and it translates on the ice as well.

Unless Hitch can light a fire under his ass, you will see him in the pressbox and fourth line quite often. He will not be scoring you guys goals and I will venture to guess he'll maybe break 10 in his time with the Blues.


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07-12-2013, 02:26 PM
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Thanks for such a great analysis. I'm sure all the other Oilers fans were wrong, and you are right that this kid at the age of 22 is completely worthless and will be sitting in the press box for us.

We will see, but as of now your bitterness is funny.

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