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[BOS] Bruins re-sign Tuukka Rask [8 Years/$7,000,000 AAV]

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07-11-2013, 05:24 AM
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obviously good goaltending is still really important.. all im saying is that theres too much variance in the position to tie up that much money in it.
theodore won the heart/vezina one year but then disappeared into obscurity after that. there are so many examples of goalies who've had a strong year but then they just randomly fizzled out

edit: btw i also share the same sentiment about our goalie's contract aswell..
Ovechkin had a bunch of insande seasons to follow up with 2,5 medicore ones. Does that mean you don't tie up money on wingers neither?`

Yes, it's possible that the goalie position have more rise and fall players but there are penty goalies that has been good for many many years: Miller (down this year?), Thomas, Lundqvist, Rinne, Bäckström, Brodeur, Hiller (down this year), Kipprusoff, Vokoun, Price (3 good years, 2 okay), Nabokov.

Besides the generational talents I don't think anyone expect a player to win the art ross, richard or Hart every year. The point is that all players have ups and downs and are you one of the best at your position you shall have a contract that reflects that.,

For every Theodor there's pretty much a Jonathan Cheechoo. It's not that goalies are the only one that have one hit wonders. Even though the list with Raycroft, Jim Carey and Jose Theodor (well he didnt disappear totaly) might be longer than on skaters.

The thing with Rask is that there are no indications that he's a one hit wonder. He has been stellar for many years. He has not just have one good season. Thats the difference. If it was Bobrovsky that got this contract I would be worry, but since its Rask I'm no very worried. Sure, there's a risk, but isn't it always?

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Mortgage the future for the present.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/438

$4.2 million in performance bonuses
The poster I was answering to said coming year and the 1,8 is the coming year so it doesnt cripple the Bruins in any way.

And: IF they kick in! If he is so bad that people say his bonuses wont kick in, will they? Its a possibilty that Boston pays 1,8. Or pretty much any figure between 1,8 and 6M.


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I'm surprised that given the goalie market and how some of the longer term / high-price contracts have turned out, that Rask still had enough leverage to get that sort of a deal. Good agent.

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Rask has the highest career save percentage in the NHL out of all starters that have ever played the game. I guess that qualifies as amazing.

He's earned every penny like Dominus pretty eloquently described. Cap will go up, and other goalies will end up getting similar and in Hank's situation even better paying contracts.
Averaging 33 games played in 4 years, with a career high of 22 wins.

Dude got paid like he was a proven veteran, which he is not yet. We don't even know what he can do over a full 82 game season.

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I'm surprised that given the goalie market and how some of the longer term / high-price contracts have turned out, that Rask still had enough leverage to get that sort of a deal. Good agent.
I'm not, at all. He's put in his time waiting in the wings, knowing full well he could have left a couple years ago and gotten a starting job at any number of other NHL teams. He chose not to. He could have asked for a longer term/higher money contract last year. He not only chose not to, but offered up "give me a 1 year deal and let me earn the longer term this year". He did exactly that. Add to that that there is NO ONE on the market that is even close to his level of ability and what else was there to do but give the kid exactly what he's been waiting and working for for the past however many years?

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Averaging 33 games played in 4 years, with a career high of 22 wins.

Dude got paid like he was a proven veteran, which he is not yet. We don't even know what he can do over a full 82 game season.
Dude got paid because he was gonna get paid. We let him go to arbitration or let other teams offer sheet him, we're paying more or we let him walk. Bruins didn't want to do either, so they paid that man his money.

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Some may laugh at the contract, but Rask is worth it as long as he keeps up this level of play, the guy is a freak. So mobile and athletic. He and Quick are by far the most agile and fast goaltenders in the league.
I'd pit Marc-Andre Fleury against anyone in terms of pure athleticism... but he severely lacks the structure and composure that allow Quick & Rask to be the great goaltenders that they are.

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let's see..

Quick gets $5.8m
Rask gets $7m
Rinne gets $7m


good stuff
It astonishes me how many people are posting this BS. Quick makes 7mill every year until near the end of his contract. The way Quick's contract is set-up are the types the lockout was really trying to get rid of. Rask's 7x8 contract actually has nothing to do at all with anything the lockout was trying to fix, and includes zero cap circumvention. [mod] CAP HIT =/= SALARY.


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It's a bit misleading when some fans talk interchangeably of "cap hit" and "getting paid" (salary) - of course cap hit is what is of interest to the team (and fans), but the market value of a goalie is the salary. Also, I thought it would be of interest when talking about goalie cap hit to look at the goalie roster cap hit - if cap hit for goalies is what interest people the most - might give a different perspective on Boston as well as some other teams strategies. I've compiled a table consisting of #1 goalie salary for 2013/2014, #1 goalie cap hit, as well as goalie roster cap hit 2013/2014- All numbers per capgeek.


#1Goalie Salary 2013/2014 Cap hit 2013/14 Cap hit goalie roster
Ramo, Karri $2,750,000$2,750,000$9,508,333
Brodeur, Martin $5,000,000 $4,500,000$8,500,000
Lundqvist, Henrik $5,125,000 $6,875,000 $8,175,000
Price, Carey $5,750,000 $6,500,000 $7,900,000
Rask, Tuukka $6,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,600,000
Miller, Ryan $6,250,000 $6,250,000 $7,500,000
Hiller, Jonas $4,500,000 $4,500,000 $7,400,000
Ward, Cam $6,600,000 $6,300,000 $7,100,000
Rinne, Pekka $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000*
Fleury, M. $5,750,000 $5,000,000 $7,000,000
Lehtonen, Kari $6,250,000 $5,900,000 $6,800,000
Howard, Jimmy $5,500,000 $5,291,667 $6,791,667
Smith, Mike $4,000,000 $5,666,667 $6,416,667
Quick, Jonathan $7,000,000 $5,800,000 $6,350,000
Bobrovsky, Sergei $5,000,000 $5,625,000 $6,225,000
Luongo, Roberto $6,714,000 $5,333,333 $6,083,333
Halak, Jaroslav $3,750,000 $3,750,000 $5,550,000
Backstrom, Niklas $2,500,000 $3,416,667 $5,316,667
Bernier, Jonathan $2,900,000 $2,900,000 $4,700,000
Crawford, Corey $2,500,000 $2,666,667 $4,666,667
Pavelec, Ondrej $3,500,000 $3,900,000 $4,501,000
Dubnyk, Devan $3,750,000 $3,500,000 $4,500,000
Niemi, Antti $4,000,000 $3,800,000 $4,425,000
Neuvirth, Michal $2,400,000 $2,500,000 $4,350,000
Varlamov, Semyon $3,000,000 $2,833,333 $4,333,333
Lindback, Anders $2,200,000 $1,800,000 $4,100,000
Anderson, Craig $3,500,000 $3,187,500 $4,057,500
Nabokov, Evgeni $3,250,000 $3,250,000 $3,250,000*
Clemmensen, Scott $1,300,000 $1,200,000 1,200,000*
Emery, Ray $1,650,000 $1,650,000 $3,150,000
AVERAGE$4 312,97$4 354,86$6 071,43
MEDIAN $4 000,00$4 200,00$6 350,00
*only 1 goalie signed


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07-11-2013, 11:28 AM
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Great post all in all but I fell that save% is a much better stat to judge a goalie on. GAA reflects on a team almost as much as the goalie. You can have a goalie who is getting 40+ shots a game and a goalie who gets 20-25 shots a game. And the goalie on the more defensive team will look better yet have an easier time.
OK, I did the #s for Save % for the top 18 goalies in 4 seasons, 1, 3, 5 and 7 years back - Year 1 being this season), I only counted goalies with at least half of the games played. You can see how this hurts goalies like Kiprusoff and Brodeur in relation to GAA. Otherwise #s are very much alike.

Space not permitting to break down the numbers individually - but the point is that there is less fluctuation than you might expect, and that the fluctuation is the same if not more stable than for skaters - keeping in mind that the age trajectories are different (e.g. Hasek's last years in 7; Fasth's first year in 1):
  • the top 18 covered 45 different goalies (out of 72 "slots") when adding up years 1,3,5 and 7;
  • 23 goalies appeared only one season in the top 18 (Year 1: Bobrovsky, Howard, Fasth,Bishop, Holtby, Dubnyk 3: Varlamov, Bryzgalov, Price, 5: Khabibulin, Clemmensen, Mike Smith, S.Mason, Halak, Biron, 7: DiPietro, Giguere, Huet, Nabokov, Hasek, Fernandez, Kolzig, Turco)
  • 14 goalies appeared twice in "consecutive" seasons (i.e. 1&3; 3&5; 5&7) (1&3: Rask, Schneider, Crawford, Reimer, Niemi, Fleury 3&5: Thomas, Quick, Rinne, Ward, 5&7: Brodeur, C.Mason, Roloson)
  • 2 goalies appeared twice but seven years apart (Ray Emery, Kari Lehtonen)
  • 3 goalies appeared three times in the top 18 Save% (1,3,5: Jonas Hiller, 3,5,7: Roberto Luongo, Niklas Backstrom)
  • 3 goalies appeared every time (Henrik Lundqvist, Tomas Vokoun, Ryan Miller)

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Ol' rat face scores big. I like Rask and think he is an awesome goalie, top 5 in the league. But this can't end good.

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It astonishes me how many people are posting this BS. Quick makes 7mill every year until near the end of his contract. The way Quick's contract is set-up are the types the lockout was really trying to get rid of. Rask's 7x8 contract actually has nothing to do at all with anything the lockout was trying to fix, and includes zero cap circumvention. [mod] CAP HIT =/= SALARY.
Sure man, but Quick has actually, you know, won something AND been a starter for more than one lockout shortened season. I don't think anyone is saying Rask is a bad goalie, just that it's a ton of money for someone who doesn't have a lot of games under his belt. Hell, I would consider it a lot for someone who DID have a lot of games under their belt.

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I doubt Rask only gets paid because of his playoffs, sure it helps, but his 92,7 career SV% may grant him more money than MAF.

138 games in in MAFs career (exactly 3 seasons) he had 90,3% saves. And that 40 win season he had 90,6% saves and 2,83 GAA. That says something about the team, cause its not really elite numbers. Suddenly after that he had a really good season. But comparing that too Tuukkas is insane.
lol at comparing the Pens in MAF's first 3 years to the Bs for Tuukka's 3 years.

There's a slight difference in those two teams. I wonder if they had any effect on each goalie's numbers???

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Good for the Bruins to lock up Rask. He's an absolute stud and still very young. People are getting too worked up about the price and term. Rask is, in my opinion, one of the elite goalies in the league. You've got to pay to lock up players like Rask. The Bruins still have an insanely talented and deep roster. They'll be able to build a contender around Rask every year.

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OK, I did the #s for Save % for the top 18 goalies in 4 seasons, 1, 3, 5 and 7 years back - Year 1 being this season), I only counted goalies with at least half of the games played. You can see how this hurts goalies like Kiprusoff and Brodeur in relation to GAA. Otherwise #s are very much alike.

Space not permitting to break down the numbers individually - but the point is that there is less fluctuation than you might expect, and that the fluctuation is the same if not more stable than for skaters - keeping in mind that the age trajectories are different (e.g. Hasek's last years in 7; Fasth's first year in 1):
  • the top 18 covered 45 different goalies (out of 72 "slots") when adding up years 1,3,5 and 7;
  • 23 goalies appeared only one season in the top 18 (Year 1: Bobrovsky, Howard, Fasth,Bishop, Holtby, Dubnyk 3: Varlamov, Bryzgalov, Price, 5: Khabibulin, Clemmensen, Mike Smith, S.Mason, Halak, Biron, 7: DiPietro, Giguere, Huet, Nabokov, Hasek, Fernandez, Kolzig, Turco)
  • 14 goalies appeared twice in "consecutive" seasons (i.e. 1&3; 3&5; 5&7) (1&3: Rask, Schneider, Crawford, Reimer, Niemi, Fleury 3&5: Thomas, Quick, Rinne, Ward, 5&7: Brodeur, C.Mason, Roloson)
  • 2 goalies appeared twice but seven years apart (Ray Emery, Kari Lehtonen)
  • 3 goalies appeared three times in the top 18 Save% (1,3,5: Jonas Hiller, 3,5,7: Roberto Luongo, Niklas Backstrom)
  • 3 goalies appeared every time (Henrik Lundqvist, Tomas Vokoun, Ryan Miller)
So, looking at your two findings, only about 4 goalies have been consistently a top 18 goalie for the past 7 years (Lundy, Vok, Miller, Marty).

That doesn't make 8 year deals for goalies look very good.

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I think Boston is going to find themselves in a lot of cap problems next year. They are already going to have to make a couple moves this year to fit under, but think about this for 2014-2015.

1. They have 13.8M in cap space, and 14 players signed.

2. Notable UFAs:
-Patrice Bergeron (making $5.0MAAV now, likely going to be getting $6.5MAAV or more). There's an extra $1.5M
-Dennis Seidenberg (has one of the best contracts in the league with $3.25MAAV. Going to get, I would assume, somewhere in the ballpark of $5.0MAAV). There's an extra $1.75M

3. Notable RFAs:
-Torey Krug (Bruin fan favourite makes $1.7MAAV on an ELC. If he repeats his playoff performance, probably gets somewhere in the range of $3.0MAAV-$3.5MAAV) There's an extra $1.5ishMAAV.
-Matt Bartkowski (Depth guy, makes $650k. Probably gets re-signed for a slight raise depending on production next year. Lets say for $1MAAV) Theres just under $500k

4. They still need a backup goalie. With Khudobin now gone, they dont even have a serviceable backup for this year - let alone next year. Currently they have Chad Johnson for $600k. A decent backup should run them about $1.0MAAV-$1.5MAAV. Theres another $750k.

That looks to be about $7.0M in raises (and I'm being pretty generous in how little of raises I gave. That $7M includes the fact that there's no goalies present on capgeek for 2014-2015). That leaves them with $6M or so to sign 6 players. No easy task! Especially when one of those players needs to be a top 6 forward with Iginla leaving

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So, looking at your two findings, only about 4 goalies have been consistently a top 18 goalie for the past 7 years (Lundy, Vok, Miller, Marty).

That doesn't make 8 year deals for goalies look very good.
That's right - I assume they're banking on Rask being a top 5 goalie. The other finding is that there's less journeymen in the rankings than we might be led to believe - probably no different if not more stable than for other positions. However, considering Rask has already appeared twice in the rankings it is unlikely that he would appear there 4 more times from now, so they might end up trading him when he's at the top in 4 years.


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I think Boston is going to find themselves in a lot of cap problems next year. They are already going to have to make a couple moves this year to fit under, but think about this for 2014-2015.

1. They have 13.8M in cap space, and 14 players signed.

2. Notable UFAs:
-Patrice Bergeron (making $5.0MAAV now, likely going to be getting $6.5MAAV or more). There's an extra $1.5M
-Dennis Seidenberg (has one of the best contracts in the league with $3.25MAAV. Going to get, I would assume, somewhere in the ballpark of $5.0MAAV). There's an extra $1.75M

3. Notable RFAs:
-Torey Krug (Bruin fan favourite makes $1.7MAAV on an ELC. If he repeats his playoff performance, probably gets somewhere in the range of $3.0MAAV-$3.5MAAV) There's an extra $1.5ishMAAV.
-Matt Bartkowski (Depth guy, makes $650k. Probably gets re-signed for a slight raise depending on production next year. Lets say for $1MAAV) Theres just under $500k

4. They still need a backup goalie. With Khudobin now gone, they dont even have a serviceable backup for this year - let alone next year. Currently they have Chad Johnson for $600k. A decent backup should run them about $1.0MAAV-$1.5MAAV. Theres another $750k.

That looks to be about $7.0M in raises (and I'm being pretty generous in how little of raises I gave. That $7M includes the fact that there's no goalies present on capgeek for 2014-2015). That leaves them with $6M or so to sign 6 players. No easy task! Especially when one of those players needs to be a top 6 forward with Iginla leaving
This is easily remedied by trading a combination of Kelly/Boychuk. I tend to think Kelly will be traded by the beginning of the season. Depending on Hamilton/Krugs progression next year, Boychuk could also end up being expendable next year.

Honestly, it depends on the young guys. We have a number of prospects who are on the verge of being ready such as Spooner/Knight/Camara/Reilly Smith/Koko/Caron that combined with Soderberg could form a passable third line. Remeber also, that our "third line" is basically our fourth line

Right now we could run into some cap trouble, but I think its easily remedied.

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4. They still need a backup goalie. With Khudobin now gone, they dont even have a serviceable backup for this year - let alone next year. Currently they have Chad Johnson for $600k. A decent backup should run them about $1.0MAAV-$1.5MAAV. Theres another $750k.
Wasn't Rask running at 800k for a long stretch as TTs backup? He was decent, no?

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I am alright by this signing, I remember when the Bruins had the following goalies. . .

John Blue
Blaine Lacher
Andrew Raycroft
Steve Shields
Matt Delguidice
Mike Bales
Rob Tallas
Craig Billington

The list goes on and on, sure Rask may be paid a little more, but I would rather have top notch goaltending for a few dollars more than a ?????? in goal.

I trust Peter Chiarelli to do what is right, and 2 Cup finals in 3 years, what more can a fan ask for?

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Wasn't Rask running at 800k for a long stretch as TTs backup? He was decent, no?
Johnson is the backup goalie, combined with Svedberg from Providence. They aren't going to get another goalie, so not sure what hes talking about.

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Good for Tuukka! I hope he earns every last penny.

The contract that will bite Boston in the arse this upcoming season will be Jarome Iginla's.
1 year contracts rarely bite anyone in the arse.

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