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07-10-2013, 06:00 PM
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Yep. LA has 5 RFA's, and 4 filed. #whatdidlombardidotoday
Chevy is dumb and should be fired and cant do his job

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Haha, LA has 4 RFAs going the arbitration route, I wonder what kind of criticism Dean Lombardi will face on here in the upcoming days
Trust me, all 4 LA players who filed don't matter near as much to their organization as at least 3 of the 5 Wpg players who filed.

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I'm shocked to see that 3 of your core players went to arbitration.

I'll be shocked of Bogo gets 5M given how cheap quality d-men signed for.

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People look for any reason to hate on Chevy. The deals will get done, it is all for their own protection financially for the coming year if it comes to that.
True dat. I'm waiting for some of the posters here to blame Chevy for the floods in Alberta - and Noel for the Toronto flooding.

Who else could possibly be responsible?

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I'm shocked to see that 3 of your core players went to arbitration.

I'll be shocked of Bogo gets 5M given how cheap quality d-men signed for.
I'm shocked the Oilers have missed the playoffs the last seven years - the last few with #1 picks Oh well.

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Serious question, around the entire NHL, how many arbitration eligible RFA's did not file for arbitration?

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Chevy is dumb and should be fired and cant do his job

#hflogic

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LOL. You are the only one here who is (repeatedly) implying that criticism of Noel or the Jets is equivalent to hating the Jets or being irrational.

I agree that the arbitration process is not indicative of anything problematic. But to sweep all constructive criticism into the same pile is just as inaccurate.

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True dat. I'm waiting for some of the posters here to blame Chevy for the floods in Alberta - and Noel for the Toronto flooding.

Who else could possibly be responsible?
We should really just fold the team already.

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Serious question, around the entire NHL, how many arbitration eligible RFA's did not file for arbitration?
141 RFA's total, so 21 filed, 120 didn't file.

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True dat. I'm waiting for some of the posters here to blame Chevy for the floods in Alberta - and Noel for the Toronto flooding.

Who else could possibly be responsible?
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We should really just fold the team already.
Surprised we haven't already...

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141 RFA's total, so 21 filed, 120 didn't file.
A large portion of those RFA were NOT arbitration eligible (Burmistrov wasn't for example).

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07-10-2013, 06:43 PM
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A large portion of those RFA were NOT arbitration eligible (Burmistrov wasn't for example).
Thanks Holden! I just did a quick perusal of all RFA's on capgeek. You know of any easy way to get the arbitration eligibility status?

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07-10-2013, 06:46 PM
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Thanks Holden! I just did a quick perusal of all RFA's on capgeek. You know of any easy way to get the arbitration eligibility status?
No. Which is why I have not responded to the query . The only way I know is to go through player by player and look to see if they meet the requirements. Off the top of my head I do not even know the requirements right now (I BELIEVE that a certain number of NHL games is one of the qualifications, so all minor league RFA's can be thrown out immediately like Pasquale). I also believe that coming off your ELC you are NEVER eligible.

I am like 5 minutes away from boarding my flight to Winnipeg though, so I don't have time to look anything up

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Yep. SOP from the player's standpoint. Doesn't mean they'll end up going to arbitration.

Edit: 21 players filed for arbitration.

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/21-players...ry-arbitration

I believe because the players filed, that they can't be offer-sheeted. Holden?
Not Holden here, but I think the answer is no, they cannot be offer-sheeted. Let's look at the CBA...

Page 30
10.2 (a) (i) (B)
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Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a Group 2 Player requests salary
arbitration, or a Club requests salary arbitration, pursuant to Article 12,
such Player will not be eligible to negotiate with any Club other than his
Prior Club or sign an Offer Sheet pursuant to this Article 10, except as
provided in Sections 12.3(a) and 12.10.
Next stop is page 58, and the above-mentioned section 12.3(a), specifically 12.3.(a)(iv)
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(a) Club-Elected Salary Arbitration For Players With Paragraph 1 NHL Salaries plus
Signing, Roster, and Reporting Bonuses Greater Than $1,750,000 In The Prior League Year.

(iv) A Player subject to a Club-elected salary arbitration pursuant to this
Section 12.3(a) shall remain eligible to negotiate and sign an Offer Sheet
with any other Club pursuant to Section 10.3 of this Agreement by no later
than 5:00 p.m. New York time on July 5 immediately following the Club's
Since the players elected to go to arbitration, 12.3(a) is moot.

Next stop is page 69, and the above-mentioned section 12.10
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12.10 Walk-Away Rights for Player-Elected Salary Arbitration.
Well, yes, if a club has, and excercises "Walk-Away Rights", the player becomes a UFA, and is free to negotiate with whomever.


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Yes, but are not 5 of all 21 players who filed (league-wide), Jets?

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141 RFA's total, so 21 filed, 120 didn't file.

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I'm reading over on the main board offer sheets are no longer on the table because it was the players that chose arbitration. Chevy better get it done, little and wheeler are automatic one year and end up in ufa. Bogosian the team can elect one or two years and he will be a ufa in two. I hope its not a power move by the players to get closer to ufa status.

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Here's all 21 players who filed for arbitration. Chevy may have his hands full.

Detroit Red Wings - Brendan Smith
Edmonton Oilers - Sam Gagner
Los Angeles Kings - Trevor Lewis, Alec Martinez, Jake Muzzin, Jordan Nolan
Montreal Canadiens - Ryan White
Nashville Predators - Nick Spaling
New York Islanders - Josh Bailey
New York Rangers - Mats Zuccarello
Ottawa Senators - Eric Condra
Pittsburgh Penguins - Robert Bortuzzo
St. Louis Blues - Chris Stewart
Toronto Maple Leafs - Mark Fraser, Carl Gunnarsson
Vancouver Canucks - Dale Weise
Winnipeg Jets - Zach Bogosian, Bryan Little, Paul Postma, Eric Tangradi, Blake Wheeler

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07-10-2013, 07:28 PM
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A large portion of those RFA were NOT arbitration eligible (Burmistrov wasn't for example).
Basically this is what I am getting at.

Looking at the CBA:

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12.1 Eligibility for Player or Club Election of Salary Arbitration.
(a) A Player is eligible for salary arbitration if the Player meets the qualifications set
forth in the following chart and in Section 12.1(b) below:
First SPC Signing Age // Minimum Level of Professional Experience
18-20 4 years professional experience
21 // 3 years professional experience
22-23 // 2 years professional experience
24 and older // 1 year professional experience
A Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL
Games in a given season. A Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and
December 31 of the calendar year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional
experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given season.

(b) Only Players who qualify as Restricted Free Agents as described in Section 10.2
of this Agreement, who meet the qualifications in Section 12.1(a) above, and who have not
signed an Offer Sheet are eligible either to elect salary arbitration or be subject to a Club-elected
salary arbitration.

(c) As used in this Article, "age," including "First SPC Signing Age," means a
Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he first signs an SPC regardless of
his actual age on the date he signs such SPC.
From what I can tell a good rule of thumb is that guys coming off ELCs are NOT arbitration eligible.

When I look at the RFA list that way, from what I can tell almost every guy who is arbitration eligible filed for it.

The only guy I can pick out that I would call an 'NHLer' but did not file is Cody Franson.

From what I can tell over 90% of all arbitration eligible players filed for it. The fact the Jets had 5 players file for arbitration is more a result of the fact they had 5 guys arb eligible than anything else.

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07-10-2013, 07:31 PM
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I wont lie, this has me a little worried about the state of our management/organization. Hopefully it's just me overreacting a bit, but I can't help but feel that the players don't buy into the organization's long term future and want to be paid "free agent money" or hope to test the free agent market in 2014. My hope is that this is used as a bargaining chip by the players to get a little extra money for signing long term deals.

We couldn't get Bogo re-signed last time until training camp and he must feel that salary arbitration is his best bet this time, so I don't blame him for wanting to get things done quickly. Wheeler and Little on the other hand, is a little surprising. Trangradi probably wont get what he wants and Postma will probably get a better deal with an arbitrator than he would otherwise.

Again, this is just me being a little paranoid and reading into this too much .

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northern knight and almostawake - good info! Thanks.

Changes to arbitration rights are one of the things that the players fought hard for during the last negotiations, if I remember correctly. Sounds like 90% of them league wide are now exercising that privilege.

I'm not worried: most of these things get resolved before going to arbitration itself. Just because they file doesn't mean that they don't want to do a deal. It simply gives them more leverage to get it done. Contract negotiations: it's all business.

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I went to the main board and looked at the list of RFAs. A really quick count of NHL RFAs ( I assumed most AHL players would not be eligible for arbitration) produced about 94-95 players. How many of these players are arbitration eligible I do not know. Of the 94 or so RFAs, about 37 had signed. (Do not think today's signing are reflected in the total though.) So about 57 players were unsigned and of those players, 21 went to arbitration. Were the remaining 36 players arbitration eligible? I do not know.

These teams had the most RFAs, WPG 9, CGY and LAK 6, and NASH, NYR, STL, and TOR 5. I think (but I not positive) that WPG and LAK were the only teams whose RFA numbers were not increased by recent trades.

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Here's all 21 players who filed for arbitration. Chevy may have his hands full.

Detroit Red Wings - Brendan Smith
Edmonton Oilers - Sam Gagner
Los Angeles Kings - Trevor Lewis, Alec Martinez, Jake Muzzin, Jordan Nolan
Montreal Canadiens - Ryan White
Nashville Predators - Nick Spaling
New York Islanders - Josh Bailey
New York Rangers - Mats Zuccarello
Ottawa Senators - Eric Condra
Pittsburgh Penguins - Robert Bortuzzo
St. Louis Blues - Chris Stewart
Toronto Maple Leafs - Mark Fraser, Carl Gunnarsson
Vancouver Canucks - Dale Weise
Winnipeg Jets - Zach Bogosian, Bryan Little, Paul Postma, Eric Tangradi, Blake Wheeler
Isn't Pietrangelo an RFA? I wonder why he didn't file for arbitration. Maybe he's closing in on a deal with the Blues? Or did I miss something?

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Isn't Pietrangelo an RFA? I wonder why he didn't file for arbitration. Maybe he's closing in on a deal with the Blues? Or did I miss something?
Pietrangelo most def an RFA. He did not file Not sure what the status is on his negotiations but he has not yet signed an extension.

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Not Holden here, but I think the answer is no, they cannot be offer-sheeted. Let's look at the CBA...

Page 30
10.2 (a) (i) (B)


Next stop is page 58, and the above-mentioned section 12.3(a), specifically 12.3.(a)(iv)

Since the players elected to go to arbitration, 12.3(a) is moot.

Next stop is page 69, and the above-mentioned section 12.10

Well, yes, if a club has, and excercises "Walk-Away Rights", the player becomes a UFA, and is free to negotiate with whomever.
Is that 2013 cba? I had heard that the arbitration no offer sheet thing was gone (one of the few player wins from cba)

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LOL. You are the only one here who is (repeatedly) implying that criticism of Noel or the Jets is equivalent to hating the Jets or being irrational.

I agree that the arbitration process is not indicative of anything problematic. But to sweep all constructive criticism into the same pile is just as inaccurate.
Problem is allot of the criticism isn't constructive and is just spewed venom for really no reason

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