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Price vs. Rask (Consider Contracts)

View Poll Results: Which goalie do you take on your team, considering contracts?
Price (5 more years at $6.5 million per) 76 34.08%
Rask (8 more years at $7 million per) 147 65.92%
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07-11-2013, 07:40 AM
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Rask is easily $500,000 per season better than Price.

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07-11-2013, 07:41 AM
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I'd take Price at identical contracts.

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Price needs a sport psychologist badly...

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Close but Price.

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Both are great young goalies, Rask has done a little more in the NHL and deserves that extra 500 000 a year. Good for him

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Both are great young goalies, Rask has done a little more in the NHL and deserves that extra 500 000 a year. Good for him
Rask has done more? He's been a starter for 1 friggin season.

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Too close to call for me.

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07-11-2013, 08:44 AM
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im not even voting because i dunno man... i dunno.... too close. boston's defense is very, very good and it's tough team too. not that hard to give it's goalie all the confidence he needs.

price had to clear his own crease sometimes ffs

homer says price but **** if i know man...

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I'd take Price at identical contracts.
Hell, you'd take Raycroft.

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07-11-2013, 09:13 AM
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Rask but when Chara goes that rask contract is going to look really bad.

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I take Rask simply because he has Chara playing in front of him. When Chara goes that rask contract is going to look really bad.
I guess Price doing worse with the norris winner means nothing?

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07-11-2013, 09:17 AM
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I guess Price doing worse with the norris winner means nothing?
There is only one chara in the league, one player that is 6'9. Bruins have noone to replace chara, no one can replace chara. You guys are screwed when chara leaves. That is the key to the bruins success. It is going to be a very bad contract when he leaves

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There is only one chara in the league, one player that is 6'9. Bruins have noone to replace chara, no one can replace chara. You guys are screwed when chara leaves. That is the key to the bruins success. It is going to be a very bad contract when he leaves
Oh thanks, can you give me some lottery numbers too?

Price has the norris winner in front of him. You know, the best defenseman for that year. BEST. Better than whatever 6'9 Chara can do.

Your logic is completely flawed.

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Oh thanks, can you give me some lottery numbers too?

Price has the norris winner in front of him. You know, the best defenseman for that year. BEST. Better than whatever 6'9 Chara can do.

Your logic is completely flawed.
If I remember correctly Chara has finished in the top 3 voting for the Norris the past couple seasons. Subban just ended up winning this season. Overall Boston has a better defensive team than Montreal. Period!

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Why is this a real discussion? Price has been elite one year (2010-2011), very good one year (2007-2008), and totally average his other 4 seasons.

Rask has been among the leagues elite for 4 years running.

Price is just not that good.

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If I remember correctly Chara has finished in the top 3 voting for the Norris the past couple seasons. Subban just ended up winning this season. Overall Boston has a better defensive team than Montreal. Period!
Subban was the best. BETTER THAN CHARA. Price had the single best defenseman (better than Chara!) in front of him. Overall the norris winner was better than Chara. Period!

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Subban was the best. BETTER THAN CHARA. Price had the single best defenseman (better than Chara!) in front of him. Overall the norris winner was better than Chara. Period!
Better defensively?

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07-11-2013, 10:21 AM
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The Bruins may have better defensive depth, though, even if they both have Norris contenders for #1s.

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Rask has been among the leagues elite for 4 years running.
Can you really say 4 years running?

Has has played max 58 games in a year and that includes playoffs.

I'm not trying to downplay him cuz he has posted great #s but 173 (35 playoff + 138 reg season) games over 4 years is not a very great sample size.

That is why I think Boston is taking a huge risk on this contract, Tuuka has not shown he can handle potentially 90 games in one season (70 regular + 20 playoff?). This is a games played threshold a lot of goalies have struggled with it's a big jump from playing 30-50 to 70-90.

I don't know why they didn't wait until after the 2013-2014 season, how much more money over 7$ million could he have gotten even if he posted a vezina season? Good chance he'd struggle a bit being asked to play 70 regular season games and they could signed him cheaper.

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The Bruins may have better defensive depth, though, even if they both have Norris contenders for #1s.
And with guys like Hamilton and Morrow in the system as well as Chia's knack for finding steady dmen for basically peanuts, what makes people so sure they won't maintain it well after Chara?

Rask is a great goalie, great goalies get paid. Price is a great goalie, great goalies get paid. Whichever has more success will depend largely on their GM's ability to ice a decent team in front of them, but that's out of their hands. Both still are what they are.

Right now I'd be more comfortable with Rask only because he's the Devil I know. He's just helped take the Bruins to the finals as well, and his performance is fresh in everyones mind. Honestly, in the completely unrealistic scenario of the two being swapped, I would expect Price to do something very very similar to what Rask did behind the Bruins team and the same is true vice versa. Tomato or Tomato (doesn't work so well typing), and 500k salary difference doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.


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Or perhaps Boston has a godlike goalie coach...

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Can you really say 4 years running?

Has has played max 58 games in a year and that includes playoffs.

I'm not trying to downplay him cuz he has posted great #s but 173 (35 playoff + 138 reg season) games over 4 years is not a very great sample size.

That is why I think Boston is taking a huge risk on this contract, Tuuka has not shown he can handle potentially 90 games in one season (70 regular + 20 playoff?). This is a games played threshold a lot of goalies have struggled with it's a big jump from playing 30-50 to 70-90.

I don't know why they didn't wait until after the 2013-2014 season, how much more money over 7$ million could he have gotten even if he posted a vezina season? Good chance he'd struggle a bit being asked to play 70 regular season games and they could signed him cheaper.

The odds of a professional athlete being unable to handle more games is much smaller than the odds of Carey Price magically stopping a buttload more pucks.

I'd love a couple examples of goaltenders who were elite in multiple 30-60 game seasons but struggled with 65+ games..

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Halak?

How would the Blues look today if they had given him an 8 year, 56$ million contract in 2010.

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The odds of a professional athlete being unable to handle more games is much smaller than the odds of Carey Price magically stopping a buttload more pucks.
BTW I'm not trying to turn this into some kind of Rask vs Price slapfest, clearly Price did not earn his 6.5 million last season. I'm just questioning why the Bruins rushed to give Rask such a huge contract when they could've been a lot more flexible on term at 7$ million AAV?

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Halak?

How would the Blues look today if they had given him an 8 year, 56$ million contract in 2010.
Halak played just 2 partial seasons in 08-09 and 09-10, only one of which was "above average". His inability to turn in an elite full season is because he's not an elite goalie, just a pretty good goalie who played a bit over his head.


If Halak struggles with a larger workload, it would make sense that the early months of a season would be good to elite and the latter months would be poor. In his "busiest" season, his best months were October, December, and April, while his worst months were November, January, and March. There's no pattern there..

I agree with the Rask contract being excessive. I believe he IS a top-3 goalie but there's so much variation to goaltending and so little difference between the 3rd best and 10th best that every year you see goalies like Niemi, Bobrovsky, Halak, Elliott, Ward, Smith, etc pitch seasons just as good, just less frequently.

I don't think the extra consistency is worth an extra $3-4m, let alone that kind of risk on term.


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Why is this a real discussion? Price has been elite one year (2010-2011), very good one year (2007-2008), and totally average his other 4 seasons.

Rask has been among the leagues elite for 4 years running.

Price is just not that good.
RASK HAS BEEN A STARTER FOR ONE SEASON.

He also ha the benefit of playing behind probably the best defensive team in the league.

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